US Senator Kirstin Gillibrand. Good Idea or Bad Idea?

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90% rating from the ACLU.
http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&repId=28123&session_num=0&page=legScore

96% rating from the AFL-CIO
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/legislativealert/votes/member.cfm?state=NY&pg=1

100% rating from AFSCME
http://www.afscme.org/docs/271-08_House.pdf




0% rating from NRTL :D

http://capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=H&state=US&session=110&x=12&y=14

[SuperTrouper]

1. You forgot 100% NRA...she'll be Ok

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2. I posted scores from groups that are important to me

:-)

[tularetom]

3. Yawn

All the important shit Obama is accomplishing, the possibility that there may actually be consequences for cheney and his gang, and we're worried about a senatorial appointment?

[T Wolf]

4. Why are Dems so damn scared to exert their/our electoral success? The time to vanquish

an enemy is when they are defeated and on the run.

With the complexity (and cover) that our governmental system gives to the politicians who run it, it is, in some cases, difficult to tell friend from foe. I would assert that at this time, with the current situation in our favor, it is precisely the wrong time to make a mistake. Better to err on the side of putting someone about whom there is less doubt as to their loyalties and views.

[Flash Bazbo]

25. Are you channelling Rush Limbaugh?

[dusmcj]

32. in 2000 and 2004 we couldn't vanquish our own ass with both hands and a flashlight

running against the easiest target since Nixon. Furthermore, if we continue to marginalize and exclude the FDR moderates - who constitute the vast majority of the American public - they be will running right back into the arms of the conservatives just like they did in 1980, since elitist pooftery about thinking the right thoughts all the time but not exerting ourselves to ensure they continue to relate to the objective realities of life doesn't wash with them. And 'pooftery' here has nothing to do with gay rights, but rather with a comfortable (largely heterosexual) 'upscale' orthodoxy and self-satisfied petit bourgeoisie which thinks that by parroting a bullet list of socially fashionable talking points we'll have a pleasant Sunday tea society and won't do so badly for ourselves either - the folks who arrive at the 'progressive' meeting in their SUVs. Just think of the Bay Area or Long Island and the notion that a $50,000 poverty line is perfectly fine as long as you're on the right side of it. ('Right' - no pun intended.)

This used to be called 'salon communism' back in a different time, and it is the greatest danger currently facing the Democratic Party and 'progressives' - complacency about our own moral superiority which will cause it to degenerate into meaningless fashion. This was bequeathed to us most recently by the drag that followed the Clintons around - the large mass of folks who didn't think much more than "it's good to be da king" and thought the good times would keep rolling. The symptom of our surprise at this being not fact-based was that until the 2006 successes, the only thing the Party machine could come up with was to be sure to put the word 'fight' into the subject line of every email they sent out. But the abject failure of the 2000 and 2004 elections stands on its own (and let's not whine about how they were 'stolen', we FAILED, fair and square. Yes, against amoral opponents, but then that's where the rubber meets the road, isn't it ?)

So let's make sure we have our own shit together before we get mouthy about vanquishing anyone, and let's in particular be very circumspect about concluding that the path to vanquishing the enemy is by ensuring ideological reliability in the office holders we select. That sounds about as dimwittedly fascist as what the Repubicans usually come up with.

[ronnykmarshall]

5. TOOL OF THE DLC!!

PRAWN OF KKKARL!!

CORRUPTEST SLAG WOMAN!!!

NEO-CON DINO POOP HEAD!!!!

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8. She is a clone of Sarah Palin.

With slightly more education. :P

[ShortnFiery]

12. She also would have better complemented John McCain ...

At least with regard to skin tone and gun totin prowess. :yoiks:

[dusmcj]

33. That's hot

:9

[NoPasaran]

6. I hear she uses Inagaddadavida as her ringtone!

:scared:

[demokatgurrl]

7. She can win the seat

that's what's important now. Obama needs support in the Senate.

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10. I agree

:thumbsup:

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, but a DLCer is NO good for progressive dems: TAX cuts for the rich is her second priority ...

after fightin' terrorism. :shrug:

http://www.saratoga.com/news/interviews/gillibrand.cfm

[wyldwolf]

27. *** SECOND TIME TODAY: You provide a link that does NOT say what you claim it does!!

:rofl:

[Doctor_J]

29. she's rated very highly by three un-DLC orgs

the "DLC! DLC! DLC!" rant is starting to sound like the wingers' "liberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberal"

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Other: She'll do with 58 other Democratic Senators and a primary that she'll lose in 2 years.

I neither love her nor hate her. If she sucks, she'll probably lose her primary, and frankly, we're probably none the worse. I doubt she'll do any serious damage to the agenda, DINO or not.

[ShortnFiery]

14. You make a valid point. Schumer would probably even try to steamroll over any junior. eom

[wyldwolf]

28. LOL! Schumer pushed her appointment. You're striking out today!

[Phx_Dem]

11. I've decided to withhold judgement.

I wasn't crazy about her at first because we don't need anymore Blue Dogs, but maybe she'll be okay. We'll see how she is. She should have a chance.

[SidneyCarton]

15. Wait and see...

We have a bad habit of condemning people before they have done anything.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

21. that's what I think too... wait and see.

[ClarkUSA]

16. Nice push poll. She wants to extend the Bush tax cuts instead of repealing them/letting them expire.

Although I'm sure she'll pull a Mitt Romeny on that DINO stand, too, and become a Chuck Schumer DLC policy clone.

She also was against gay rights before she was for them and against gun control before she was for it (all in the past 24 hours).
She'll be a Chuck Schumer tool in the Senate.

Bad idea. :thumbsdown:

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17. How is this a push-poll?

Yes/No/Maybe/Other

I think that is every possibility.

And I like Chuck.

[ClarkUSA]

18. Oh please. Gimme a break.

And of course you'd like Chuck. Color me unsurprised.

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19. Overall I like his record.

What is the problem with that?

[Shiver]

20. Link please on the Bush tax cuts remark

I've heard people saying it all day, but I don't recall seeing a link for it. Thanks in advance!

[ClarkUSA]

26. MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell remarked on it yesterday morning when discussing her policy stances.

I am sure it's a matter of public record.

[dusmcj]

22. And NRA A-rated!!! Fan fucking tastic !!! /nt

[dusmcj]

23. Tool of the DLC !!! Palin clone!!! She must have something going on

for this many idiots to feel compelled to describe her as the antiChrist (is that antiChristine if it's a female ? nevermind)

Our underwear is showing, folks. Or maybe it's more like one of those hospital robes that ties in the back, but not very well.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours ? Let's pass on that. Yes, let's.

[Justitia]

24. They would LOVE her in my state (TX), she'd fit right in the hinterlands here. -eom

[book_worm]

30. Isn't it too early to tell? I like to give people chances to prove themselves one way or the other.

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31. I would sure think so!

Thats why I included that option in my poll. :-)