Mitt Gillibrand just pulled a Romney on gun control in her press confrence

[FLAprogressive]

this was one of the issues I actually agree(d) with her on.....looks like she's pulling a 180 and praising gun grabber McCarthy.

I'm telling you, NYers, she has zero integrity...she'll waffle on positions just to please whoever her constituents are.

[Justitia]

1. She was very crafty in those remarks, no real change in position - she's ass covering. -eom

[HeraldSquare212]

15. I agree. She mentioned Maloney saying she, Gillibrand, would do a great job if chosen,

and then mentioned her support of background checks for gun purchasers.

As someone else pointed out, Howard Dean has an A rating from the NRA and he seems to be a favorite on this board.

[FLAprogressive]

26. I'm against gun control and pro-Howard Dean. And Kirsten Gillibrand stinks.

[Captain Hilts]

2. It works if you want to get elected. nt

[BrklynLiberal]

3. I am in no way supporting her, but I have always wondered if an elected.

official should always stand by what they believe, or should they always reflect the wants of those that elected them? I am not pleading either case. I have always wondered about that. Some elected officials get criticised for doing one, while others get criticised for doing the other.

[Aloha Spirit]

8. Things political leaders can do to resolve this are use their leadership skills to build concensus

and use their rhetorical skills to move public opinion toward their position.
But it's hard to do that because most people will only pay attention to like the first 10 words.

[FLAprogressive]

9. she's not that great of a public speaker.

[napi21]

21. I happen to think a Rep. should vote the wishes of their constituents.

Isn't that why we support Dems over Pubs? Th Dem usually shares our ideas.

I've said this many times when DUers were screaming about Nelson from Fl. or some other Dem who just voted against a Dem. bill. If that's the position his constitutnets want him to take, then he did the right thing.

[ClarkUSA]

4. She pulled a Mitt Romney on gay marriage and soon will be anti-Bush tax cuts, no doubt.

:puke:

[Occam Bandage]

10. If by "soon be" you mean "already is." nt

[FLAprogressive]

12. She supported the Bush tax cuts in her run for congress.

[ClarkUSA]

28. According the MSNBC and her own record, she favors EXTENDING the Bush tax cuts

:puke:

[Renew Deal]

5. I don't understand why Caroline McCarthy would be a good choice for Senate in NY.

This is a huge, liberal state. McCarthy is not a bold congressperson.

[FLAprogressive]

7. true. McCarthy is a gun grabber. She's also anti-middle class. Both are stinky new dems

[Stellabella]

43. You sure are obsessed with guns.

Any other issues you're interested in? Apparently not. How sad.

[FLAprogressive]

44. Yes. I support immediate withdrawl from Iraq, full LGBT marriage equality, single payer health care,

among other things. I'm against NAFTA, CAFTA, and FISA telecom immunity.

There are quite a few progressives who are pro-RKBA, including but not limited to Peter Welch, Peter DeFazio, Maurice Hinchey, Russ Feingold, and most importantly Howard Dean.

[Renew Deal]

58. McCarthy isn't new

And I don't think she's "stinky." She's a nice woman. She's just not some liberal firebrand.

[ShortnFiery]

6. I'm setting aside some money now for her democratic challenger in the 2010 Primary.

She's more of the same-O-same DLC/Blue Dog/New Way Corporate loving tools of the Clintonian DLC and now specifically, Chuck Schumer. :grr: :thumbsdown:

[ShortnFiery]

11. I think she deserves "as much scrutiny" as the pro-clinton/schumer thugs gave to Caroline Kennedy.

:evilgrin:

[FLAprogressive]

13. I agree!

[Occam Bandage]

19. Go for it. If she turns out anything near as incompetent as CK is,

then it'll have been the smart thing to do, and NY will dump her in 2010 primaries.

[HeraldSquare212]

23. At least she has a record to scrutinize.

[ShortnFiery]

39. Yeah, one whole term.

:P

[SuperTrouper]

14. and having AL D'AMATO next to her is very worrisome...

[Justitia]

17. That's her former boss and friend of the family. -eom

[Occam Bandage]

16. This is hilarious.

First, it's "OMG SHE IS GOING TO BE A TOTAL LIEBERMAN SELLOUT AWFUL DINO."
Reasonable people reply, well, no, she has a strong liberal history, but has compromised on issues important to her red district. She'll be more liberal as a blue-state Senator.

As it turns out, she is shifting more liberal as a blue-state Senator.

Now, of course, it's "OMG SHE IS TOTALLY A SELLOUT LOOK AT HOW LIBERAL SHE IS NOW."

[FLAprogressive]

18. "Strong liberal history"? She has two years in congress....hardly enough "history"

[Occam Bandage]

22. Heh. You'd be complaining if it were Barbara Boxer's identical twin.

This is obvious sour grapes over the fall of the Princess.

[nolabels]

54. Well actually she sounds more like Dianne Feinstein's twin

:scared:

[HeraldSquare212]

20. I guess if she had lost her race for the House by taking 100% progressive positions,

she would be considered qualified for appointment to the Senate.

[Occam Bandage]

24. No, because then she'd be "a proven failure who can't bring people together."

It's not about her, it's about the fact that she's not named Caroline Kennedy.

[polichick]

45. delete - wrong place

[FLAprogressive]

25. I wonder if she'll switch her position on telecom immunity too?

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. Al Gore used to be pro-life, Obama used to support gay marriage

People change their minds.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Yeah, but people who are SPONSORED by Chuck Schumer and other DLCers are NOT for the middle

class, i.e., big business and military industrial complex supporting right-wing democrats.

We don't need to move our party ANY FURTHER to the right. We're already abandoning the middle class in favor of "business" and it's VILE. :puke:

[Occam Bandage]

32. There is nothing in her career whatsoever that is pro-big-business. nt

[FLAprogressive]

36. other than the fact that Princess Mitt's daddy is a GOP lobbyist.

[Occam Bandage]

38. And Cynthia McKinney's father is a raging anti-Semite. So? Doesn't mean anything.

Also, your declaration of "princess" is hilariously revealing. It's absolutely obvious that you're just bitter about Caroline's fall from undeserved grace.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Obama's father wasn't exactly involved in his life, but he seems to be a wonderful father to Sasha &

Malia.

[ShortnFiery]

37. Under Chuckie Schumer's tutelage, she will be making up for lost time ... like all DLCers.

Bank on it!

This is the most VILE power-grab and get-even with "The Kennedys" in modern memory. :nuke:

[Occam Bandage]

41. So the problem isn't that she's done anything wrong, it's that she might later.

Gotcha. :crazy:

[WI_DEM]

30. so she can't praise another congressperson even if she disagrees with her on an issue?

[chascarrillo]

31. There's something wrong with serving your constituents???

What in the flying fuck? That's what Senators are supposed to do. Jesus!

[FLAprogressive]

33. so that's what flip-flopping is called now

hypocrites. it's bad when Romney does it but okay when Princess Kirsten does it.

[chascarrillo]

55. you accused her of serving her constituents. I fail to see that as a bad thing.

Slam her for flip flopping, sure, but serving her constituents? Bizarre.

[TheKentuckian]

34. Waffling on a Constitutional issue doesn't inspire

and gun control is not a liberal issue, it is a Democratic one. The concept is totalitarian in nature and a better fit for the Republiscum.

[FLAprogressive]

35. yup she's now turning into a gun grabber

[camera obscura]

40. sad... there need to be more progressives who support gun rights, it gets lonely sometimes

[FLAprogressive]

42. I agree. Gillibrand isn't progressive and apparently she doesn't support gun rights anymore

[benEzra]

57. I see no evidence so far that she doesn't support gun rights.

She has endorsed background checks, which even the NRA is OK with. She has not, to my knowledge, endorsed the "assault weapon" fraud or any other new restrictions on lawful ownership, though if she has that would certainly change things.

And she is, in fact, progressive. She is considerably to the left of most of the DLC (and unlike most of the DLC, she's apparently not a pro-gun-bans zealot).

[polichick]

46. Good - I'm sick of Americans clinging to their guns and Bibles. :)

[AndrewP]

52. Same here

[geek tragedy]

47. So, now she's evil because she has the right positions.

I guess no one outside of big city liberals is fit to represent a state like New York.

[FLAprogressive]

48. She was pro-gun control (bad!) now she's anti-gun control.

flip floppers have little integrity

[geek tragedy]

49. You're acting surprised that politicians act like

politicians.

And, I find this purist bitching to be hilarious when coming from people who've never had to go out and get votes from moderate or conservative voters.

[Life Long Dem]

50. She's not ignorant to hunters

and this is why she is against gun control. By the way, hunting is not a republican thing.

[benEzra]

56. Quite right.

hunting is not a republican thing.

Quite right. Nor is gun ownership in general.



My wife and I both own guns, for recreational and competitive target shooting and defensive purposes. Like the majority of U.S. gun owners, we don't hunt.

[mtnsnake]

51. You sound EXACTLY like Sandy Treadwell, the Right Wing nut who tried to unseat her last Fall

EXACTLY.

He ran some of the nastiest, most negative ads ever in NY, nitpicking her to death over practically nothing and making mountains out of mole hills just like you are. He spent record amounts of money on TV ads, running her into the dirt like you are, and by the end of the campaign anyone with half a brain couldn't stand to hear another word out of his filthy mouth.

[Muttocracy]

59. wasn't her statement consistent with her vote in the House last term? nt