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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:34 PM
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Blame Bush for the Sinking of New Orleans.
New Orleans is kind of a bowl of a city, lying mostly under sea level. If Hurrican Ivan hits it directly, it will literally sink under 12 to 18 feet of water. We're talking major natural event.

There are, I believe, studies which link these weather changes to global warming -- and, while Democrats have been crying out about the threat of global warming for years, Bushco* cares about global warming about as much as it cares about finding Osama bin Laden -- which is to say, not at all.

It's kind of a stretched-out chain of reasoning, I know -- and, of course, Ivan could give New Orleans a miss altogether, which I hope it does because I wouldn't really wish that kind of disaster upon anyone. I'm just saying it might not be a bad idea to start assembling talking points, to get the momentum going in our direction if and when this becomes an issue.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:35 PM
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1. i'm wishing it west
i live in pensacola, i'm sorry if it causes damage elsewhere but i want it to not hit me
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loathesomeshrub Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:36 PM
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2. I was trying to tell my husband this the other day, blame Bush
for all the hurricanes and the warmer water, and he was trying to tell me that global warming takes longer than 4 years. Regardless, if they think this year is bad, just wait until we've had 8 years of the emperor with no brains' reign
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:59 AM
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11. Certainly blame him for the crappy response time he and his brother
have had. sorry, we don't count your petty problems an *emergency;* there's no oil under your homes, you see.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:39 PM
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3. Hey
Everything doesn't have to have a political dimension.
I have a lot of family in New Orleans. And I live in Alabama, which is about to get the full force of Ivan. In fact, the eye is supposed to pass over us here.

So I don't really give a rip whether Bush can be somehow linked to it. Like Bush needs to be linked to one more fucked-up thing.

How about just saying a prayer, if you are so inclined, for those who are about to lose their homes, their businesses, everything they have worked to build, and maybe loved ones.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:42 PM
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4. Hey, neighbor....
South Mississippi here, about 30 miles from the Gulf Coast. The 3 counties south of here are under mandatory evacuation. The rest of us are just battening down the hatches & hoping for the best. I wish you well, and hope that Ivan gives you (and me!) a miss. Hang in there!
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:42 PM
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5. I apologize
I guess it was a stupid thing to be saying. You're right -- not everything has to have a political dimension, and this was probably the worst time to open this particular can of worms. I really am sorry.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:44 PM
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6. To take off from another post: BUSH BRINGS BAD LUCK to everyone else
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:46 PM
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7. The Hip have a song for every occasion
Bourbon blues on the street loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue-green
I can Forksake the dixie dead shake
So we dance the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim

Colonel Tom What's wrong? What's Going On
You can't tie yourself up for a deal
He said" Hey North you're south shut you big mouth
You gotta do what you feel is real."
Ain't got no picture postcards ain't go no souvenirs
My baby she don't know me when I'm thinking about thoes years

Pale as a light bulb hanging on a wire
Sucking up to someone just stoke the fire
Picking out the highlights of the scenery
Saw a little cloud looked a little like me

I had My hand in the river
My feet back up on the banks
Looked up to the lord above and said hey man thanks
Some time I fell so good I gotta scream
She says Gordie baby I know exactly what you mean
She said, she said I swear to god she said

My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:48 PM
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8. I'm for blaming my headache on Bush but has anyone done anything on Global
warming?
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:57 PM
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9. It's kind of hard to blame Bush for this, but I still do anyway...
especially with my fundamentalist-type coworkers and relatives. I know it's probably wrong, but if they believe superstition, then why not point out all that *bad luck* we've had since Bush was (s)elected: 9/11, Space Shuttle Columbia, Hurricanes, you name it, I think Gawd is sending us a message. Try not to stand too close in case their craniums implode.

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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 10:59 PM
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10. Read THIS--Truth “In the Eyes of Hurricanes”
Truth “In the Eyes of Hurricanes”
By Dan Spillane, The Liberty Whistle
--Bush, Cheney, Zell Miller Need to Apologize
--Hurricane Threat Far Exceeds WMD
--Warming vs. “Natural Cycle” is Wrong Debate

(SEATTLE) 09/13/04 -- While the US media roars about which presidential candidate “might or might not” defend the country against terrorism, the discussion has itself grown into what it seeks to defeat. Recently, Mr. Cheney went so far as to employ terror on his own people for political means, by suggesting the country might be attacked if he lost power.

But as we focus on the terror threat—apparently, while we are expected to be trembling under our beds—we might miss so many other dangers in the world. After all, while September 11th was terrible, attacks against the US at home and abroad have been rather infrequent both before and since. Indeed, improved US security measures at home appear to be working. And importantly, examples abound in the Middle East that clearly demonstrate attacks beget revenge attacks—even for decades at a time, and running. So what other threats lurk in our future?

An important example--occurring with increasing frequency and intensity--are tropical hurricanes. Take Florida over the past few weeks, where two severe hurricanes have hit, a third is on the way, a fourth is headed towards Mexico and California, and incredibly, a fifth is newly forming (as of the date of this article). This is certainly a growing danger, and a hurricane is about as massive a destructive force as our planet offers. It turns out, the energy of a hurricane is truly “massively destructive”—it often exceeds that of a nuclear bomb. (1) So if the US has multiple nuclear bombs headed in its direction in just a few weeks, why aren’t leaders saying anything about it? Indeed, what long-term policy decisions have been made to defend against this growing threat--occurring with both higher frequency and more destructive force than terrorist attacks?

According to the best available research, we know that warmer oceans lead to more frequent and intense hurricanes—which is the cause currently, along with a few other factors. It is also known that global temperatures have been rising due to global warming, induced by higher energy use, and projections call for even more changes; in fact, the Bush administration (or portions of it) has recently admitted global warming is a problem. And yet there is currently a debate of whether the current wave of hurricanes is due to “global warming,” or due to a “natural cycle currently on the rise.”

Unfortunately, therein lies a serious logic problem—in treating the debate as if there are two mutually exclusive possibilities leading to a rash of hurricanes. This leaves out the third possibility--which is supported by the most evidence—with both natural hurricane and man-made warming cycles rising simultaneously. Indeed, the media is properly quoting experts who have reason to believe past natural cycles have occurred, and such a multi-decade cycle is currently on the rise, since 1995. But at the same time, there are myriad independent symptoms of rapidly increasing global temperatures, which started well before 1995, and have been rising constantly. In fact, some warming symptoms have arisen rather suddenly.

So no scientist can truly tell us what the outcome of a rise in twin cycles might be--since this is the first time the “natural cycle” is combined with the current level of man-made global warming. But disturbingly, even if critics are right, and global warming plays no part in what we are seeing play out in Florida now, we’re still left with the likelihood that the current natural increase cycle could last for decades; moreover, we are told nevertheless to expect increasing intensity due to global warming alone, when the natural cycle ebbs. In short, hurricane problems in Florida are not likely to end soon, for not simply one, but two reasons—in fact, hurricanes are most likely to worsen. People will, understandably, no longer wish to live in southern coastal areas; insurance companies will find it impossible to cover such liability. Such may even happen later this year.

And so here lies the nexus of proper debate this election year--in the eyes of hurricanes, which are certainly ‘oiled’ by increased use of energy. That is, the destructive force seen now in the Gulf of Mexico is the shape of things to come--no matter what the cause. Moreover, several elected officials have done absolutely nothing to defend us, and everything possible to put us in more danger. Notably, there is Sen. Zell Miller, who acted legislatively in favor of big auto and oil companies, nixing pollution standards for SUVs. Next, and more recently, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney acted to pass tax cuts leading to still more SUV use--and as well, started the Iraqi war, which produces untold pollution. And if its true that they seek Iraqi’s oil reserves, we could be in for a lot of trouble should that energy be released.

So the three—Bush, Cheney, and Miller--need to apologize for the current wave of hurricanes, and for endangering the country and our future with the force of hundreds of nuclear bombs. Only after that apology, might we talk about our false belief that Saddam Hussein could threaten the US--with but a tiny fraction of the destructive force already evidenced in the Gulf of Mexico this year.

Footnotes, Additional reading:

(1) Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory; the calculation of 1.3 x 10e17 Joules/day is comparable to that of a nuclear explosion (at least); other sources suggest Hurricanes carry 10,000 times the energy of a nuclear bomb. Estimate -- one with seventeen zeros after it units of energy

(2) SUV Report
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:02 AM
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12. A re-examination of global warming has to follow.
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