Rep. Kristen Gillibrand will most likely replace Sen Clinton. She provides the Gov

[CK_John]

a reason to avoid been seen as favoring some old line NY families. She has run two very tough campaigns in a Rep district. She has raised big money and is very popular, which allows the Gov to tweak the upstate/downstate feud for the seat in 2010. By placing her in the Senate the Gov removes a contender for his own reelection bid in 2010.

She is somewhat of a dino,(due to the nature of her district,IMO), but has presidential potential.

[SuperTrouper]

1. Interesting thought. But I do not want DINO's in the mold of DiFi nt

[MarjorieG]

3. She is not a DINO, but most of NYS-even NYC- very purple.

[Raineyb]

5. NYC is not that purple at all

We have very few Republicans representing the city.

That being said I don't want some upstate DINO in the senate seat.

Frankly, upstate DINOs have caused the city enough trouble thank you very much.

Regards

[MarjorieG]

8. I'm Brooklyn, worked two years on Kerry campaign. O unified around a Bush disgust..

Not taking away from Obama (with him from the start), but people easily crossover for candidates. Upstate, Bay Ridge, not every Brooklynite is Park Slope, and the black church and gay marriage turned many an unlikely vote. Even Brooklyn is open to autocratic rule, so-called moderate GOP (given the mantras of the last decades), hence our Mayors.

Just pointing out not the blue bastion people think.

[Me.]

9. Totally Agree With You On The Purple

I always wondered why, as NYC is the only place where terrorists have seriously attacked, the rest of the country didn't pay attention to our votes. People in small towns in the midwest, who say they are/were frightened to death of terrorists, really weren't in eminent danger but NYers who were weren't afraid enough to vote for *

[wyldwolf]

14. hey! Now I like her even more

[dionysus]

15. we all know you like DINOs

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

18. I like Democrats who cause "progressives" paranoid hysteria

:rofl:

[Alexander]

23. In other words, you like Democrats who act like Republicans.

[wyldwolf]

26. No, I like Democrats who act like Democrats, no fringe leftists

[Alexander]

29. To you, everyone to the left of Zell Miller is a "fringe leftist".

How did NAFTA and welfare reform work out for us?

[wyldwolf]

30. no, just people who us the term "DINO" loosely.

[dionysus]

31. can you please explain how the GOP lite positions of the DLC entails

"acting like democrats"?

the corporate stooginess part, or the let's act like moderate republicans part?
:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

33. after you give me some definitive and meaningful definition of what a "DINO" is and...

... what that entails.

Was KOS or Sirota charged with setting those standards? :shrug:

And perhaps the standards applied to what "Republican lite" is.

[Alexander]

34. Here's a DINO for you.

Any questions?

[Sebastian Doyle]

39. And here's another one

[Alexander]

48. I felt my picture would hit closer to home.

Besides, Lieberman isn't really a Democrat any more.

[dionysus]

35. dunno, i don't read those guys. why change the subject? I'd like to see what your answer is.

[wyldwolf]

36. I haven't. YOU have. The use of "DINO" started this conversation.

So what you're telling me is you have your own non-binding definition of Republican-lite and DINO that have no real bearing on the actual Democratic party past and present.

You have no true reference point.

[dionysus]

37. i asked you a direct question.

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

38. the answer to which depends on the definition of the conversation starter - "DINO"

:shrug:

Can you NOT define the terms of the conversation and provide an reputable source for it?

[dionysus]

40. we all know what the acronym refers to. you want a friggin link?

a source for the phrase DINO... :rofl:

a laymans term would be the corporate stooge wing of the democratic party, and some (most) of the southern elected dems who either vote like republicans or feel that they need to vote like republicans to get elected.


you know all this, of course.
my question never used the word DINO anyways...

[wyldwolf]

41. of course I know what it stand for. But who defines it?

basement dwelling keyboard whiners? The Democratic National Committee? YOU?

[dionysus]

42. my question was simply how do you explain the pro big business policies ofthe DLc as

"democrats acting like democrats", not "what is the exact meaning of DINO"

[wyldwolf]

43. the answer to which depends on the definition of the conversation starter - "DINO"

What does "democrats acting like democrats" mean? And who decided that?

[dionysus]

45. wyldwolf: No, I like Democrats who act like Democrats, no fringe leftists

you're the one who said it man! are you confused?

[Alexander]

46. Let's just step out of the way and let wyldwolf argue with himself.

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

47. And yet you can't define the very terms that started the conversation

The perennial brouha here about what constitutes a "real Democrat" is conducted along lines that bear very little relation with the actual states and history of the Democratic Party. The idea that (certain) figures are not "real Democrats" is nothing but the punch-line to a very poor joke.

Unless some Democratic Godfather put together some committee and decided what "Democrat" and "DINO" is. Did they?

[Kalyke]

24. You mean Democrats who don't stick up for the Middle Class, don't you?

[wyldwolf]

49. no, I mean Democrats who aren't hysterically leftwing

Like the traditional Democratic party, not the fringe movements who have tried to infiltrate it at various times.

[Uzybone]

2. I'll be shocked if its not Caroline Kennedy

when all is said and done.

[CK_John]

7. She could run for Gillibrand's congressional seat in the special election to replace her. n/t

[karynnj]

27. She doesn't live in that district

I doubt an upstate community would want to elect someone from downstate (NYC etc)

[ErinBerin84]

4. I doubt it.

Though, I really have no idea who it will be. Anything is possible.

[Me.]

6. Can She Raise The Big Money Needed For 2010?

Another minus is that she's not known downstate where most of the money and a lot of the votes are. I know of her because I phone banked for her through Move-On but most don't. Her problem is the reverse of Nadler. I don't consider NY a purple state. The state voted overwhelmingly for both Kerry and Obama. It's only when you pin down certain Con strongholds that you get tinges and even that is changing.

[CK_John]

10. Yes, she has raised a lot of NYC money this last race. They are from NYC orginally. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

11. I've thought of Louise Slaughter (CD -28, NY) as another consideration

but she may be in the same position as my congressional representative, Nita Lowey (CD-18, NY) - has several important chairman/vice-chairman positions in the Congress and is therefore too valuable for the Democrats to replace at this time.

:kick::kick:

[CK_John]

12. The replacement must run a statewide race in 2010, and that doesn't favor NYC area candidates. n/t

[MichellesBFF]

13. Lord no!

I don't need to see anymore Sandy Treadwell ads!

[ErinBerin84]

17. hehe

Though, it was fun to see those ads against Treadwell with him proclaiming "I'm HUGELY supporting of PRESIDENT BUSH!"


But yeah, fucking Sandy and his jogging commercials can go to hell.

[DinahMoeHum]

16. FYG, CD-28-NY is upstate NY (Buffalo-Rochester region)

n/t

[karynnj]

32. Gee isn't there some guy named Schumer who was born, bred and from NYC

Didn't he get something like 72% of the vote last time. Not to mention HRC got 67% when she was re-elected and the fact is she has NEVER spent most of her time in any year of her life in NY - her NY house is in the NY suburbs. D'Amato was born in Brooklyn and moved to Long Island - NYC area. Moynihan was from NYC - he was born in OK, but moved to NYC at age 6 and was there through college at CUNY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan#Local_New_York_City_and_academic_career
Back further, Jacob Javits - born in a NYC tenement and from NYC. (http://www.medaloffreedom.com/JacobJavits.htm ) Javits' predecessor - Herbert Lehman - from NYC. Robert Kennedy's early roots in NY were when the family lived in the Riverdale section of the Bronx and then in Bronxville - NYC area.

Now Keating, who lost to Kennedy and Goodell, who followed Kennedy as Senator were from upstate.

6 to 2 - so, why again is someone from upstate preferred?

[Historic NY]

19. Oh really...his chief rival isn't a serving congress critter.

[WI_DEM]

20. Is this your speculation or has the media been given some indication that she is the the most likely

choice?

[BeyondGeography]

21. If it happens, it's because Schumer is pushing for her

Which he is...

[PM Martin]

22. Why do you think that she would take the seat

over Kennedy?

[AtomicKitten]

50. I can't find any basis for this, so I'm guessing the OP is guessing.

Or perhaps it's wishful thinking. There are some Clinton backers that have declared a jihad on Caroline Kennedy in this political jostling that is going on in NY.

I'd be surprised if Paterson doesn't pick Kennedy.

[polichick]

25. When's this gov going to choose - isn't it high time already??

[LaydeeBug]

28. Do you have a link to this, or is this just your idea (albeit a very good one)?

The title suggested there is some momentum for this :shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

44. Some match-up numbers from kos:

(Gillibrand isn't on the radar screen)

Research 2000 for Daily Kos:

Cuomo (D) 45
King (R) 32

Cuomo (D) 48
Giuliani (R) 33

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Kennedy (D) 47
King (R) 31

Kennedy (D) 49
Giuliani (R) 32

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Israel (D) 34
King (R) 31

Israel (D) 35
Giuliani (R) 32