Obama said "Our homeland."

[aquart]

I just heard it on the news. Is there a petition somewhere I could sign to politely ask him to refer to "our country" or "our nation" instead?

Realizing this is the least of our problems. But it's like he caught a Bush cootie.

[Peacetrain]

1. You can sign me on to that one

"homeland" gets under my skin also..

[John Q. Citizen]

2. Homeland is a propaganda meme.

[ananda]

16. And it's reminiscent of the Nazis.

nt

[John Q. Citizen]

18. First thing, right off the bat. Better to just call it "The Empire" and be flat out honest.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. yes it is!

[Mudoria]

59. That would be Fatherland... not homeland.

[Mojorabbit]

20. One of us could put

the changing of homeland back to just plain ole America as a suggestion on his website and we all could vote it up. I hate hate hate the term.

[aquart]

28. I've never made a petition or a poll but I'd follow the link to that.

[Muttocracy]

3. "Bush cootie"

:rofl:

yeah, and what's with ignoring our homewater? :grr:

seriously, I'm with you - the whole homeland security thing was creepy and wrong - we have a department of defense (offense more often), too many national security agencies, state and local police... and our security problems came from our policies OUTSIDE our borders.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

4. I would sign that.

I can't stand the term It reminds me of Nazi Germany.

[emilyg]

26. Ditto.

[marimour]

52. reminds me of Africa

[blueladybird]

54. That's what I thought of too.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

5. Delete.

[az chela]

6. count me in

[texastoast]

7. I like "our motherland" better

Just a personal preference. :evilgrin:

[DevonRex]

32. Mat' SHA? Like Mat' Rossii? Mother United States just doesn't

have the same feeling as Mother Russia, does it? Oh well.

[Digit]

8. Bush cootie....love it!

All in all, I agree with you. My mother was a war bride from Berlin, Germany, and if she were still alive today, I know the hair on the back of her neck would stand up at the term "Homeland".

I vote for "country", "nation", the US of A, USA, United States of America or simply; America.

Please no leftover Bushisms. They were horrible enough the first time around.

[JVS]

9. zOMG!

[IsItJustMe]

10. Well then, tell him to knock it off.

[elleng]

11. How about WRITE to him???

.

[Posteritatis]

48. But a worthless e-petition is so much more betterer!

Stupid point-and-click-to-avoid-real-work "activism," ugh.

[watrwefitinfor]

12. He's too young to know the horrors the term brings to mind,

for those of us who were around then. Whenever I hear it I expect them to start carrying on next about der Faterland und Liebensraum.

I go back to the Newsreel News at the movies. Hitler at the podium or on the steps in front of throngs of screaming crazies yelling Heil Hitler, speeches of der Faterland, lengthy footage of the liberation of the concentration camps with the never-to-be forgotten starving bodies, the horror stricken faces of men just laying there like sticks.

...and the slave labor camps - filled in the dual quest for Liebensraum for the Homeland and free labor for the homelanders...

Deutchland Uber Alles!

In my opinion, the Bushie propagandists knew exactly what they were doing, and so did the Bushes themselves. Obama does not.

Someone needs to educate him. Show him some of those old movie Newsreels.

Wat

[ecstatic]

34. I guess I am too...

:shrug: What difference does the terminology make?

[earth mom]

35. I'm a less than a year older than Obama and it brings horror to my mind-so he should know better.

How can any baby boomer NOT know "Homeland" is a horrible term? :wtf:

[AllentownJake]

41. I think Obama is aware of the old news reels

He is an educated man and as of right now it is a cabinet department.

[HughMoran]

13. Well, that's it then

Obama = Bush

;)

[Solomon]

33. LOL Good One!

:rofl:

[Jennicut]

14. Bush cooties are hard to get rid of. They cling on for weeks

and give you a bad rash and itch really bad.

[leftstreet]

15. That term is just flat out embarrassing

Get rid of it!

[jackpan1260]

17. Wow you guys are whiners. (Sorry... DISSENTERS is what you prefer, right?)

I have used "homeland" since I was a kid. You should get a petition going to make me stop though. These things are very important.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. It was determined that whining is intonation and text has no intonation, so the whining is inside

your head.

It's not a function of the OP but rather of you.

So why do hear with your eyes. Confused?

[ruggerson]

22. What part of Germany did you grow up in?

[AllentownJake]

40. Great leap.

and even if the poster grew up in Germany...well he'd have to be 73 to have any rememberance of that time in that countries history.

[annm4peace]

25. why would you use Homeland ?

weird

[Maru Kitteh]

67. Because in many parts of the country IT'S A COMMON PHRASE.

Which makes YOU weird. See how that works?

[AllentownJake]

39. Hardest thing about organizing liberals

They have greater trouble seeing the forest from the trees than our opposition. Its a problem mainly because of intelligence. Its alot easier for us to see nuance than it is for a conservative to see nuance thus we spend time arguing over stupid things like the word Homeland.

[quakerboy]

21. make the petition, I will sign.

That term creeps me out. A lot. First time that came up after 9/11, that was when I became fully aware of what level of trouble we were really in.

[NYC_SKP]

23. Without seeing the context, I'll choose not to be concerned.

I do, however, hate the word, it's been used and abused as propaganda.

But a petition, not unless it comes after something to do with the death penalty or habeas corpus, or something more significant that a word.

[defendandprotect]

24. Dangerous reference.....

[Control-Z]

27. When I first heard talk of the "homeland"

and "homeland security" after 9/11, it took me a while to realize they weren't talking about Nazi Germany, or an enemy country. I got the creeps, but thought I was overreacting by the way others seemed to accept and use the terminology. I would sign a petition.

[treestar]

29. I'll give him a pass unless he keeps it up

Like you said, it could be just a * cootie. Obama's been in DC the past four years and that word would tend to get into your subconscious there.

[sampsonblk]

30. Count me in - "homeland" is a no-go for me (nt)

[tomg]

31. I despise that term on so many levels.

While there are the clear evocations of the Nazis, it is generally a fascist term with near-xenophobic ( and often racist of a sort) implications. More than that, though, it really is entirely at odds with the United States - psychologically, historically. The implication of the term 'homeland' used in the sense it has been used in the US for the past eight years is that the people are a homogeneous unit(tribe, clan, people, volk) and this land is their 'home,' their site of origin. That this is the exact opposite of what we are ( at our best) or what we have always aspired to be ( when we don't have a collection of 1854 Nativists running the country)is pretty obvious. It simply makes absolutely no sense as a term when seen in light of the country's history.

Even someone as totally insane as Peggy Noonan realizes how nuts this term is when applied to the US.

I do think, though, that Obama has other things to worry about.

[SidneyCarton]

36. This was our Homeland long before Bush appropriated the term.

In order to reclaim power we must reclaim the language as well.

[LanternWaste]

37. I imagine that soon we'll have an extensive list...

I imagine that soon we'll have an extensive list of wholly benign words and phrases not to use anymore for fear of of being allied with "them".



I think "blue skies" should be completely eradicated, 'cause even though it's an absolutely valid descriptor of many Texas afternoons, well, you know... "they" used it and it's now tainted.


(The question may arise-- did I forget to use the sarcasm tag, or was I being serious? It's a weird, weird, weird world...even underneath today's Texas teal tint of the upper and lower atmospheres)

[AllentownJake]

38. I think there are more important things right now than word choice

Healthcare, unemployment sky rocketing, two wars, etc...

Pick your fights.

[glitch]

42. Wish he hadn't. I'd prefer our national dialog not continue to be directed to the LCD. nt

[NoPasaran]

43. Jeez, people, Germany is the FATHERLAND

Russia is the Motherland


Trinidad & Tobago is the Uncle Who Lets You Run With Scissorsland

[AllentownJake]

44. Shh

you'll interupt people acting out a stereo-type.

[Dreamer Tatum]

64. Can't have knee-jerk without a jerk, after all

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with "homeland."

It's your home. It's a land. It's your homeland.

Deal with it.

And to head off the snarky "Where in Germany did you grow up," here you are: I grew
up in Goffuchursseffinen.

[PBS Poll-435]

50. And don't forget about Auntie Curaçao

She is drunk like 24/7.

[Control-Z]

55. I thought that

but assumed I was mistaken after others referred to Germany. Thanks for the correction.

[WinkyDink]

57. The point is the Fascist STYLING of the nomenclature.

[Rebubula]

45. A word????

Hmmm...nah...not that important to me.

Personally, I have no problem with Homeland. It has more to do with who uses it and how they are using it.

Moreover, I have ZERO problem with Swastikas - as long as they are being used properly. Millions of Chinese and Indian homes still have those over doorways. Hopefully, the swastika can be reclaimed for its original purpose in a couple of generations.

Sometimes it is context.

BTW...research the history of the swastika before you start flaming this post. It will help you to not have to apologize later.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. country will do nicely or American, America, US.

hope the cootie leaves soon

[RamboLiberal]

49. Probably picked it up hanging out with Kristol the other night

Yeah, I'd vote for him to drop that term. Hate it. Always reminds me of Nazism and The Fatherland. Glad to see Tweety and Fineman the other night say how much the hate the term.

[crimsonblue]

51. that bastard

Impeach him.

[onenote]

53. he must be hanging around with Gary Hart

It was Hart and Warren Rudman, whose bipartisan commission on terror during the Clinton administration, first recommended various steps be taken to protect the (their words) "Homeland".

[ddeclue]

56. NOOOOO!!!!!

Homeland, Fatherland... :hide:

[pleah]

58. I would be glad to sign.

I absolutely hate that term.

[awoke_in_2003]

60. If you want...

go to change.gov and vote on it, I have put the request there. It is under the "Homeland Security" link.

[harun]

61. We need a link, I can't find anything on there.

[awoke_in_2003]

62. Here is a few to get you started...

http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=0878000000052sL&srPos=13&srKp=087
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=087800000004xGH&srPos=4&srKp=087
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=087800000004pTw&srPos=15&srKp=087
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=087800000004uXd&srPos=9&srKp=087
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=087800000004oAu&srPos=19&srKp=087

[Cha]

63. One of our organic farmers

at the co-op calls his farm Homeland..cause he lives there and his organic farm is there.

Long before the bushits "homeland security"..we know everything they named was Orwellian.

[NYC_SKP]

65. At first, I thought you were serious!

:rofl:

LOL, I'm sure he'll catch hell for this slip without a turribul online petition signed by thousands.

[bonito]

66. He needs to wrap that one up with terrorist and shitcan them both.

[bridgit]

68. This is our home, this is our land: This Land Is Your Land

This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE

[mwei924]

69. Someone actually cares about this?