If you intend to "fuck the republicans", or roll over them, the last thing you should do

[cali]

strategically, is broadcast it. I mean c'mon, if Obama wants to get his agenda passed in Congress, he doesn't want his administration or the dems to be cast by the MSM as the "bad guys" trying to steamroll the "loyal" opposition.

Now, I don't know that Obama intends to "fuck the republicans", but I do know that he wants to pass an agenda filled with things the repukes are opposed to, and signaling that he has it in for repukes is about the stupidest thing he could do.

[Timbuk3]

1. K&R

Remember the old show "Kung Fu"?

Will you be calling us "butterfly", next? ;->

Sorry if that's too obscure. It goes something like this:

Old Master: Bend with the wind, butterfly.

Pupil: But if I bend I might break.

Old Master: If you DON'T bend you will break.

[ErinBerin84]

2. very true.

I remember the "Rahm is too partisan" fit that the MSM threw, when most here were on the "Rahm is not of the wing of the Democratic party I would like to be Obama's COS." I do get the Barney Frank thing about the "post partisan depression", but at the same time, Obama is a lot smarter than me politically and he has been punked by Republicans before (or, they TRIED to punk him...McCain "suspending" his campaign when they were supposed to release a joint statement comes to mind, in addition to the usual things about Senate votes) , so I would like to think that he is aware of the maneuvering going on of course.

[Cary]

3. Look at the way Republicans treated their opposition.

You their "permanent Republican majority" lasted what? Four years? And look at how badly that kind of "steamrolling" and hubris ended for them.

Whatever Barack Obama does I would be surprised and disappointed if he emulated this particular losing strategy.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. God I wish more people realized this.

I want power for a generation, not a few years. To do that, we must do exactly what Republicans did not do.

[Cary]

15. I'm not so interested in power, myself.

I'm interested in fixing the incredible damage done by these incompetent boobs and moving forward.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. Can't do that unless you're in charge. (nt)

[Cary]

19. I don't imagine myself to be in charge.

I have a point of view. I express that point of view. I vote. I consume. I run my little business.

That doesn't amount to a whole lot of being in charge. I am at the mercy of politicians.

I hope Obama will "do that". That's the best I've got. Don't know what I'll do if Obama let's me down and I am a little anxious. But I do hope. I really do.

[LoZoccolo]

27. I particularly liked the people who would go "Impeach Bush! The Republicans did it to Clinton!"

Which lost them congressional seats and shot Clinton's approval rating up to almost 70%.

[Thrill]

4. Obama isn't going to make the mistakes Clinton made and have

the Repukes win the mid term elections.

[stray cat]

5. Obama wants to get the right stuff done

[Cary]

20. Tell me.

I believe, but I need to hear more.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Oh, come on, what does Obama know about politics compared with the flamethrowers of DU?

:sarcasm:

[cali]

7. I'm just amazed that what I wrote in the OP isn't evident to everybody here.

[immoderate]

8. Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

I just made that up. :)

--IMM

[Cary]

21. It's all in Obama's hands, Cali.

We trusted him, the game is his to play, and it's way too early to second guess him.

I think you're correct, and I think Obama knows what he's doing.

[LoZoccolo]

28. I think they're not looking at it as reality.

Or something. They're looking at it as a game. As a spectator sport. But even then they don't know the strategy.

[LoZoccolo]

29. It's like they're watching hockey for the fights.

I thought of that after I wrote the last message. That's the metaphor I'm looking for. Kinda.

[donco]

10. I wish there was a thanks button

on this forum,so here,s a DU thanks for this post.:headbang:

[Clio the Leo]

14. ha ha! Good point! NT

[Cha]

26. Thankfully, quite

a lot and I'm glad he the Prez to be real soon.

[phleshdef]

9. True Democrats should WANT to give all sides a voice....

That alone should be a defining difference between us and the Republicans. They want to all be in lockstep with one message and shut everyone else out. We, on the other hand, are suppose to welcome discourse and varying opinions. We are suppose to treat them better than they would us because that kind of attitude is what ultimately makes us better.

[NJmaverick]

12. Part of the problem, in my opinion, is we need to move away from trying to stick it to the Republica

ns. We need to concentrate on doing what is right and preferably getting the Republicans to at least not get so pissed off about it. There are things that need to be done. Some of the things the Republicans might like, some they will be indifferent to and others they will hate. Ideally you try to get all of the things passed with out doing a Bush/Cheney screw the people that don't agree with us approach. Read my tag line, it addresses this very issue.

[BoneDaddy]

13. Yet you will find many people on DU

who are asking for just that kind of attitude. If people would put there own personal wounds aside for a second and see this as an incredible political game instead of "I want what I want when I want it", they could see it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. Those people are easily distracted

Just give them exactly 99% of what they want on any of their pet issues, and
they'll spin off in a fury with polls, LTTEs, diatribes, and jeremiads about
the historic and unacceptable loss of that 1%.

In the interim, things can get done.

[mmonk]

16. I have yet seen where not speaking up wins. Nobody wins a debate by avoiding it.

[Radical Activist]

23. Bush spent eight years talking about being bi-partisan.

Even when he rammed his partisan agenda through Congress. It worked pretty well for him.

[mmonk]

30. Actually, you make my point.

[Radical Activist]

31. What point is that exactly?

Because Obama speaks up often so your comment doesn't appear to have anything to do with the OP. No one argued against speaking up.

[Radical Activist]

22. And if you worked for some left wing organizations

the last thing you want to do is make a big show about how liberal you are. Candidates who scream at you about how liberal they are like Nader or Edwards are exciting but it isn't the best strategy if you want to win the general election. You have to look at the details beyond the speeches.

[jgraz]

24. If Obama's really that smart, he's undoubtedly accounted for our criticism already

So, by vocally attacking him from the left, we're just helping his Grand Master Chess Guy strategy.

Proud to do my part. :patriot:

[Gregorian]

25. I really like this.

I've used this strategy to my own advantage many times. It's an honest way to work toward getting something you want.

I have felt this is where he's been going. I had previously thought the same about Pelosi. We'll see.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Good point. nt

[depakid]

33. Republicans broadcasted it every day from the rooftops

And had unprecidented success in furthering their agenda- even though on issue after issue, they were advocating unpopular policies.

So there goes that theory!

[Festivito]

34. Explains an ideologue for donations and apologist for corporate greed.

That's Warren and Gupta of course.