Cheney believes that Liberals do not have the guts to prosecute

[chieftain]

him and his henchmen for war crimes. He is giving interviews which come very close to admitting criminal culpability in the treatment of detainees. By doing so, he can make the claim that all of this behavior was well known and since the Democrats did nothing his actions were legal.
His utter contempt for the Constitution is exceeded only by his obvious scorn for Liberals lack of spine.
Most of the Bushies are hopeful that if they keep their mouths shut regarding the treatment of POW's of the War on Terror, the criminality of their actions will be swept under the rug and ignored. Not the VP. He is actively confirming his role in violations of the Geneva Accords. I sympathize with Obama's not wanting to get bogged down in a bitter retrospective on the Bush crimes, but Cheney's public pronouncements cannot go unanswered. There has to be some formal governmental finding that what was done was wrong. It represented a departure from American law and values and will never be tolerated again. My preference would be that all of the top level officials so involved be frog marched off to prison. But at a minimum there should be either a truth commission or legislative process that lays out all the atrocities and violations perpetrated and formal condemnations levied.
Cheney should not be allowed to brag about his actions with impunity.

[blm]

1. What Cheney KNOWS is that establishment DEM POWERSTRUCTURE will protect him and Bush2 just as

they did throughout the 90s when a few HONEST Dem lawmakers had Bush1 cornered and weakened and at their most exposed on IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning operations. Thanks to a few powerful Dems who sided with the secrecy and privilege of Bush and his powerful cronies, we ended up with Bush2 and the furthering of the global fascist agenda. Cheney knows damn well they are protected by these few powerful Dem names who still wield far too much power in our party...yep....still.

[chieftain]

15. That's what he is counting on. I am hopeful that he has

misjudged the situation.

[mod mom]

30. I hope Obama will realize the cost of Clinton's allegiances. If this is swept under the rug, again,

we will be looking at the re-strengthening of the crime family's hold on this country.

Generations of the Bush Crime family is more than enough:

1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENTNo CommentBYScott HortonPUBLISHEDJuly 28, 2007
I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

-snip

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651



The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

[spiritual_gunfighter]

50. We all know what the Clinton admin. did about Iran/Contra n/t

[Johonny]

2. He's right

[EFerrari]

18. Yes. The felon is right. n/t

[chieftain]

22. Maybe. But he may overplay his hand.

The more candid he is about what was done and his role in it, the harder it will be for Obama and the Senate to ignore his statements. The facts of what these thugs did should be enough to motivate Democrats to prosecute, but political timidity is difficult to overcome. I would hope that Cheney's taunting about so grave and despicable behavior will move the Democratic leadership to action of some significance.

[LakeSamish706]

3. I just hope that the world courts will have an opportunity to get at these guys. n/t

[totodeinhere]

10. That would be nice, but I doubt if the Obama Administration would ever...

agree to extradite them.

[chieftain]

29. They better not travel out of the US or there may well be a

rendition that they don't approve of.

[opihimoimoi]

4. Arrogance will be his undoing..it always happens to these types

He is an EVIL Guy...Country First? Don't think so....

[patrice]

7. He and his buddies are holding America hostage.

They CAN and WILL shoot. Will the shot(s) kill us? Or damage us and, then, make us stronger as we heal?

[opihimoimoi]

13. He has the Louis 16th Syndrome?? So Arrogant and Condenscending is he? He will Fall soon enough

They always do....

This Bravado of his seems more like a Bluff than anything....like the prisoner riding to the BLADE...he spits at the crowds as he rides through to the stage....

Haughty to the End....

[EFerrari]

20. If it always happened to these types half of the Bush administration

would have been in jail for Iran Contra and other crimes and not available to be appointed.

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. LIBERALS wanted his ass in prison years ago

It's the spineless "centrists" :eyes: who don't have the guts to prosecute (or even impeach) these pieces of shit.

[cascadiance]

33. PRECISELY! This is what we should remember in 2010 primary season in outing the DLC!

[and-justice-for-all]

6. It is his 'Yeah, I/we did it, SO! what are you going to do about? NOTHING!"

[patrice]

9. Where can I get this bumper-sticker? nt

[NashVegas]

8. Crisco Agrees

[Forkboy]

11. And Cheney is correct.

[w4rma]

32. The progressives want him prosecuted, but the DLC corporatists are roadblocking us. (nt)

[AtomicKitten]

12. This is where I'm looking to Obama to do the right thing.

Clinton electing not to prosecute his predecessors was a mistake and bad precedent for Democrats. I'm banking on Obama coming down on the side of the Constitution and the law.

[chieftain]

36. I am certain Obama will stop the atrocities on a going forward

basis. It will take tremendous political courage to call these miscreants out. The corporate media will be opposed and the American people will not want a mirror held up to their faces which shows the disparity between their self image and the actions that have been done in their name. That said, I truly believe that the record must be made public and a formal governmental repudiation of the Bush/Cheney policies must be made. I am reading Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side" and it is disturbing on so many levels. One statement made by a veteran interrogator stopped me cold. This seasoned professional was appalled by the activities of the mostly young, untrained macho types who were conducting questioning according to Rummy's new rules. He opined that the new breed was ignorant of the Nuremburg trials and the principles under which they were conducted. In the age of Limbaugh, it is essential that bright lines of civilized behavior be propagated continually by our leaders.

[AtomicKitten]

39. This is one of those feet-to-the-fire issues for me.

I think Obama will immediately clearly and forcefully embrace the Geneva Conventions as written. It would be irresponsible and dangerous not to. Thanks for the heads up on "The Dark Side," an ominous but dead-on title to be sure. I so agree this needs to be exposed to sunlight and a reckoning occur. America has to reclaim its soul.

[chieftain]

46. Well said. Reclaiming our soul is exactly what has to be done.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

51. Obama has so many Clinton people working for him now that I am not holding my breath

I am sure they are all advising him not to pursue it.

[Orsino]

14. Liberals do.

The conservatives hiding behind the capital D do not.

[Fire1]

16. We have the guts, alright. The problem is, they changed the

laws and rules as they went along to eliminate any chance of prosecution.

[Politicalboi]

19. Yes they changed the laws

But Obama can use "those laws" to imprison Bush/Cheney right after taking the oath of office. Put them in a cell and throw away the key. No representation and no trial. Remember "This would be great if it were a dictatorship" Well he's no longer the dictator. Obama is till he chooses to change it back.

[lunatica]

17. He just had to let us know he's been the shadow president

I really thought he would go without ever giving us a second thought. That he would sink into his own flesh like the slimy slug he is, but he had to let us know how important he is. It's the ultimate fuck you and so long suckers. It's evidently important to him that we know he was the master of our undoing.

[Frustratedlady]

21. We don't have to continue paying for his "medical center" that follows him around, do we?

Surely, that "service" will end.

[bdamomma]

23. oh crap, I would like Cheney to be wrong, but alas we are talking

about the Dems. damn.

[leftynyc]

24. He knows he's looking at a pardon

A blanket pardon. He can say whatever he wants and thumb his nose to the Dems and the courts - he knows what's coming his way.

[cascadiance]

34. He wants to get pardoned first! That's why he's drawing attention to himself!

If he can get pardoned and it not necessarily be "preemptive", and then Bush resigns and he takes over, then the blanket preemptive pardons could happen and also get Bush pardoned as well.

[Independent_Liberal]

41. I still think it will happen like this...

1. Cheney resigns, is pardoned by Bush.
2. Bush appoints Condoleeza VP.
3. Bush resigns.
4. Condi takes over and issues a pardon to Bush.

A la Ford-Nixon.

[davidpdx]

44. The problem with that is Rice would have to be confirmed

by the US Senate. There's no way that would happen. Democrats would be dumb not to smell that one coming a mile down the road. It would also leave us without a Sec of State.

What is more likely to happen is the following:

Bush pardons Cheney (and others), then resigns making Cheney President and Cheney then pardons Bush.

That could happen without any Congressional interference. Then again, the VP spot would be left unfilled for how ever many days are left before inauguration day. In the past, that has happened before.

[cascadiance]

54. Yes, I think that's the least "problematic" for those in power now...

Condoleeza Rice would also want to be pardoned too. She wasn't innocent in this mess either. Either way, Bush has to pardon the person taking over before resigning, unless that person is totally outside of the cabal. In either case, if he doesn't pardon that person, he can't trust what that person would do in taking over unless he pardons them.

Cheney, with all of his "admissions of guilt" is setting himself up to be pardoned right now. Condy Rice isn't, and would be looked at as more of a "preemptive pardon" if she were to follow the same path.

[leftofthedial]

25. unka dick wouldn't know an actual liberal if it kicked him in the remaining testicle

and spat on him.

[chieftain]

47. Those actions would be signs that the person is a good Liberal.

[Milo_Bloom]

26. Liberals do... To bad there are no liberals in power.

[Dlicious]

27. Remember, Cheney predicted "we will be greeted as Liberators"

So much for Cheney knowing what the heck he is talking about.

[BlooInBloo]

28. He's almost certainly correct.

[flvegan]

31. Both liberals in Congress have been trying.

Shame there aren't more of them.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Cheney's pretty much correct ...... no one in power has the balls to do it.

[pipi_k]

37. Sadly...

I think he's right.

Oh, there's plenty of talk...has been for a while...over what should be done, but what has come of it?

Not a damned thing

I don't know if leaving it all up to Congress will get the job done. I think it takes millions of outraged citizens to accomplish anything.

Unfortunately for this country, lots of those citizens seem to be too preoccupied with surviving from week to week to care much about anything else. It seems like so many of them pulled themselves out of despair just long enough to get rid of the Republican Ratbastards and vote for Obama, and now they have little left over for the outrage it would take to charge and prosecute that heinous group of criminals known as the Bush Administration. They're just happy to see those assclowns gone.

So we all know what should be done, and what we'd like to see done, but will it be done?

I don't think I'd hold my breath on this one...

:(

[chieftain]

49. I think you're right about the attitude of most people.

They just want to turn the page and put Bush and his cronies in the rear view mirror. This is a major impediment to prosecuting criminal behavior.

[Doctor_J]

38. One of the few things he's right about

:thumbsup:

[lonestarnot]

40. Assign the task! But don't ignore it!

[Thrill]

42. What do we know about David Ogden the next Deputy AG?

[MrSlayer]

43. Well, if he equates the Democrats in Congress as Liberals, he's dead right.

No one will do a damn thing about his crimes. We have a bunch of complicit, corporatists in our party who wouldn't lift a finger to prosecute anything. Partly out of spinelessness but mostly because they were right in on the crimes with these bastards.

[Jamastiene]

45. I hate to ever agree with HIM but he's right.

"Impeachment is off the table" Remember? Our Democratic Party is a great bunch on so many issues, but gay rights and prosecuting war criminals seem to fall by the wayside, unfortunately.

[Enrique]

48. guts are overrated

balls too.

We've had balls and guts in power, now time for some brains.

[Paladin]

52. I Can't Fault The Evil Sonovabitch For Being Correct.

I believe the entire Bush Mob will retire in utter safety to count their money and write their books. What evidence can you point to from the last eight years to prove me wrong?

[JoMama49]

53. He's counting on it! Can we prove him wrong? Only time will tell n/t

[chieftain]

55. As I said, Cheney is taunting us.

Here is the VP contending that if a president is not impeached, what he did was legal. I hope Obama and the Democratic leadership that this evil man's intent is to enmesh them in the crimes of the Bush administration.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_Presidents_actions_legal_if_hes_0104.html

[hulka38]

56. Wow, he got something right.

[ZombieHorde]

57. Cheney would be correct to believe such a thing. He can do anything he wants.

[Generator]

58. Don't blame it on liberals

Blame it on whatever name you give those that "represent" us. They officially are called Democrats. Though I think I'd like that name back too.

[Raineyb]

59. If by liberals Cheney means the milquetoast spineless excuse for

politicians who call themselves Democrats, he's probably right.

Regards

[WinkyDink]

60. Newsflash: "Cheney Believes in Reality."

[OwnedByFerrets]

61. He has spent the last 8 yrs enriching his family/buddies AND more importantly

gathering information on EVERYONE with a government office. He has let it be known to all involved that he has the goods and wont hesitate to use them to their detriment. They wont dare do anything to this man or anyone associated with him. The interesting thing is to ponder whether B*sh has been included in this group of protected entities. I dont think there is any love lost between the two.