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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 09:58 PM
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How the Senate Can Stop Blagojevich
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How the Senate Can Stop Blagojevich

It easily has the power to block the governor's appointment of Roland Burris.

By Akhil Reed Amar and Josh Chafetz

Does the Constitution allow the Senate to refuse to seat Roland Burris, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's surprise appointee? In a word, yes. Here's why.

Following English parliamentary tradition and early Colonial and state practice, the framers made the Senate its own gatekeeper and guardian. Each house of Congress is "the Judge of the Elections, Returns, and Qualifications of its own members," according to Article 1, Section 5 of the Constitution. At the founding, Senators were elected by state legislatures. If the Senate believed that legislators in a given state had been bribed into voting for a particular candidate, the Senate could refuse to seat him.

Because of the word "returns" in Section 5, what is true of elected Senators is equally true of appointed Senators. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a "Return" in the time of the framers involved a report of an appointment made by a sheriff or other official. If the Senate may refuse to seat a person picked in a corrupt election, it likewise may refuse to seat a person picked in a corrupt appointment process. (Alternatively, we might think of an appointment as an "election" by one voter.)

A simple majority of the Senate would suffice to exclude Burris. Majority rule is the general default principle established by the Constitution, except where text, structure, or tradition indicates otherwise. When the Senate tries to expel a member who has already been seated, the rule is two-thirds (as it is when the Senate sits as an impeachment court). But the framers clearly understood that majority rule would apply when the Senate was judging the accuracy and fairness of elections or appointments.

The power to judge elections and returns has been used on countless occasions in American history, at both the state and federal level, to exclude candidates whose elections and appointments were suspect.

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What are the counterarguments in favor of seating Burris? Both he and Blagojevich say that the Senate should not hold the governor's sins against his would-be senator. To be sure, there is no evidence Burris bribed the governor to get this seat. But imagine if Burris had won election only because other candidates were wrongly and corruptly kept off the ballot. Surely the Senate could properly deem this an invalid election. Similarly, it now seems apparent that there were candidates that Blagojevich refused to consider for improper reasons—because one refused to "pay to play" early on, or because another is at the center of the impending criminal case against the governor. With the appointments process so inherently and irremediably tainted, the Senate may properly decide that nothing good can come from a Blagojevich appointment.

(And let's not feel too sorry for Burris, who, after all, has shown dubious judgment in accepting the nomination, given the circumstances. Weeks ago, Senate leaders announced that no Blagojevich appointee would be allowed to sit. What is Burris thinking? Many other ­arguably better ­candidates doubtless refused to have any dealings with Blagojevich once his crimes came to light; Burris got his shot at the Senate at their expense.)

Nor does it matter, from the Senate's point of view, that Blagojevich hasn't yet been convicted. In this context, the Senate itself is a judge, in the words of the Constitution, and can decide facts for itself. It need not follow the rules of criminal courts. That means it need not find Blagojevich guilty beyond reasonable doubt, as a court would if his liberty were in jeopardy. It is enough for the Senate to reject Blagojevich's appointee if a majority of senators are firmly convinced that Blagojevich is corrupt and that any nomination he might make is inherently tainted by such corruption.



The Senate has been called upon to judge the return of an appointed Senator at least twice.

In 1893 (before the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of senators), the Montana legislature adjourned without electing a senator. After the adjournment, Gov. John E. Richards appointed Lee Mantle to fill the vacant seat. By a three-vote margin, the Senate determined that a vacancy the legislature knew about and did not fill was not the sort of vacancy that the governor had the power to fill himself. Accordingly, Mantle was denied the seat.

In 1913, just after the 17th Amendment was ratified, Sen. Joseph Johnston of Alabama died. The Alabama legislature was in recess, and the governor appointed Frank Glass to fill the vacancy. The last provision of the 17th Amendment reads, "This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution." If this clause was read as attached to the Senate seat, then the 17th Amendment did not yet apply to it, and Glass was properly chosen under the pre-17th Amendment procedure. If, on the other hand, the amendment applied to the individual senator, then it was operative with regard to the Alabama seat. In that case, the appointment of Glass was unconstitutional, and the seat would have to be filled by special election. The Senate determined that the latter was the correct interpretation. Glass did not get the seat, which was filled instead by a special election.


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Why might the Senate conclude that Burris has not been properly appointed by Illinois' executive authority? Well, for starters, it looks like the Governor might be corrupt and was trying to sell the seat.

But, you might respond, the Governor has not been convicted of anything. Surely he is innocent until proven guilty.

True enough. But Article I, section 5 does not contemplate a criminal proceeding. Rather, it contemplates that the Senate will be the judge of the circumstances of election (or in this case, after the Seventeenth Amendment, an appointment.).

And if the Senate decides that Burris has received his appointment in suspicious circumstances, the question is whether the Supreme Court could overturn their judgment or whether it must defer to it. The answer to that question comes from none other than Powell v. McCormack: In that case the Court said that the Constitution provided a textually demonstrable commitment to judging the qualifications listed, but no others. However, the same constitutional text gives the Senate the authority to judge the elections and returns of its members. If the Senate determines that Burris has not been duly elected (or, under the Seventeenth Amendment, duly appointed), Powell might seem to suggest that courts should defer to that judgment under the political question doctrine.

Is the argument I have presented foolproof? Probably not. I can think of a number of different issues to raise in objection. As new ideas come in, I will try to list them below.

However, what I have said is enough to suggest that the question of whether the Senate can seat Burris is not open and shut. It is very likely that the Senate would have a fairly plausible argument for refusing to seat him. And the Supreme Court would have a fairly plausible argument for deferring to the Senate's decision.

Let me conclude by saying that I have not yet made up my mind whether I think this is a good thing or a bad thing. Perhaps it would be better to just have the matter settled, so perhaps the Senate should just allow Burris to be seated so that we can get on with the country's business. What I do believe is that the Senate may have more options in this case than one might think.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:00 PM
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1. This seems destined for the Supreme Court, and how might they decide?
It is within their power to decide what is Constitutional and what is not.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:22 PM
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2. The Senate can only rule on the qualifications such as age. residency, etc. Burris
will be seated and we should keep the courts out of it.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:38 AM
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8. Did you read the article?
The article (by a very renowned Constitutional scholar) argues otherwise.
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WyoHiker Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:38 PM
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20. I read the Article
And the Constitution: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec5

And a short summary of Powell v. McCormick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_v._McCormack

And mentioned it to someone else, who also looked it over carefully. http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/12/the-presumption-of-innocence-is-a-bitch-blagojevich-edition.html


That 1969 case is extremely relevant and very nearly declares that Burris must be seated.


Senator Reid has stepped into a giant pile of very smelly Dog-Dew.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:27 PM
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3. Unlike many more charitable DUers ....
I despise Blago the Corrupt Chiseler ....

In any case: I am not sure it will be beneficial for anyone to disrupt the process, as currently defined, in order to send a message to the asshole .....

The selection of Burris, while generally undesired, seems to be free of corrupt influences, and his progress as a Senator will be tested soon enough when his seat goes up for election ...

I would not interfere at this point ..... But that Blago is an asshole of the first degree ....
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:32 PM
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4. This is crazy Ilinoise should toss him.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:16 AM
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5. Easily the most POMPOUS post of the year
Who really cares WHAT you think! Just kidding. I think one thing we have found out is that WHAT the constitution says really doesnt matter. Also my opinion (and it wont take going back to Jolly old england) is that as the above poster said the senate can only rule on his QUALIFICATIONS not all this extraconstitutional mumbo jumbo. Do I like it? No, but since we (the dems) didnt call for a special we brought it on ourselves. In fact overall the legislature of Illinois looks like they have been castrated they wont pass a bill for a special (which they could) and they wont impeach him (dont give me stuff about too close to the end of the legislature-watch the new legislature spin its wheels as well. In a word we blew it. (blew being the word)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 01:13 AM
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6. "as the above poster said the senate can only rule on his QUALIFICATIONS"
Maybe ignoring the facts one can come to that conclusion. The Senate can block the appointment based on exactly what the OP states referencing the Constitution. Now, it can be argued, as Bush did, that the Constitution is just a piece of paper, but the Senate would be within its Constitutional rights to make the judgment that Blagojevich forfeited his right to make the appoint. That means the appointment is not legal. That's not expulsion. That's not delay. That's blocking.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:38 AM
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7. I don't think they can prevent him from being seated
They can, however, expel him him the moment he is seated.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:40 AM
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9. The article the OP cites argues otherwise.
Maybe that article is wrong, but I would be interested to see what part of the argument is incorrect.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 02:57 PM
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23. If they refused to seat him it would end up in the Supreme Court
The constitution is very clear, however, that you can expel a member with 2/3rds vote for any reason. And I don't see why it would be a problem. All of the Republicans will vote to expel and 50 Democrats have already said they don't want him seated.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:37 AM
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10. Its a legal appointment of a qualified man.
If the Senate Dems block this they are foolish.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:02 PM
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11. "the Senate may well be in a position to look behind a Blagojevich appointment "

Analysis: Must Senate seat Burris?

Wednesday, December 31st, 2008 8:25 pm | Lyle Denniston

NOTE TO READERS: This post is another in a series exploring the meaning and scope of prior Supreme Court rulings — here, the June 16, 1969, decision in Powell v. McCormack (395 U.S. 486).

Analysis

Twice in recent days, the Democrats in the U.S. Senate have said, with unqualified confidence, that they have the power to refuse to accept “anyone appointed by (Illinois) Gov. (Rod) Blagojevich” to take the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama. The claim has been widely discussed, with many observers saying, with complete confidence, that the Senate has no such power. That conclusion appears to rest mainly on one precedent: the Supreme Court’s decision in Powell v. McCormack in 1969.

The Senate’s Democratic leaders have yet to spell out all of the reasons why they disagree, including the full dimensions of the power they claim to bar a Blagojevich nominee — aside from an unexplained reference to “our Constitutional authority under Article I, Section 5.”

But one thing is already very clear: the Senate’s Democratic leadership is drawing a sharp distinction between its power to judge the qualifications of any Senate nominee, and its power to judge the validity of the process by which that nominee was selected. The Supreme Court decision in the Powell case bears directly on the former, but maybe not — or, at least, not so directly — on the latter.

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On the Senate’s authority to judge the mode of selection of new members, the courts have been quite deferential. There is no indication that the courts, if drawn into the issue, would evaluate congressional action regarding the mode of selection any differently in the case of an appointed member than for an elected member.

The Supreme Court, in the Powell decision, did not question the authority of a house of Congress under Article I, Section 5, except as to qualifications of the member-elect personally. It mentioned in passing a few cases — notably, during the Civil War — when individuals with constitutional qualifications were excluded after being elected, but it did not do so to challenge the general power to judge the validity of election results otherwise. The first exclusions in history of a member-elect, in fact, were based on the two individuals’ “aid and comfort to the Confederacy.” But that was about their personal loyalty, not about the mode of election — the same distinction that was present in the Powell case.

A Congressional Research Service study in 2007 of the status of members charged with or convicted of crime (found here) generally focuses on the authority of a house of Congress to act on members’ qualifications, not their mode of selection — again, the situation in Powell’s case.

A house of Congress’s authority to judge an election (and, perhaps, an appointment) would appear to take precedence over any state method of selection, under the Supremacy Clause and the specific grant of authority under Article I, Section 5.

Thus, the Senate may well be in a position to look behind a Blagojevich appointment and apply a federal Senate standard of propriety regarding the appointing authority (the governor) — so long as it did not add a new “qualification” as such for the individual chosen.

“Taint,” in that sense, may well be a federal question, and a “political question,” at that, and that could put the issue beyond the scope of judicial review — again, so long as the Senate were careful to make clear that the “taint” attached to the process, not to the appointee.

Of course, attorneys for Blagojevich, and for Roland Burris, no doubt would argue that the process and the appointee could not be separated so neatly, and that any reliance upon a perceived “taint” would necessarily attach to the appointee and be, therefore, a new “qualification” that would run afoul of the Powell precedent.







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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:03 PM
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12. What ever!!! I would think that with an impending depression and global warming breathing down our
necks, that these damn politicians could get together and finally do something positive for this country that is going down the tubes, and frickin fast I might add.

But if they continue to spend their time with this type of minutia, then I think we are all in big trouble.

It's all relative I guess. What is important to you may not be important to me.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:15 PM
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13. Why should they? He is the governor. He is acting within his authority. Imagine President Clinton
bowing to his chorus of critics back in the 90s, refusing to make any decisions under the weight of accusations.

Burris should be seated, and we should move on.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:17 PM
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14. The Senate is acting within its authority too. Ever heard the word triangulation? n/t
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:23 PM
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15. Wendys, right?
How many times in the history of this nation has the Senate refused to seat an appointee?

It's not Blago making us look bad.

Give me a good reason the Senate shouldn't seat Burris?

This is stupid. Seat the guy and let's devote our energies to the real problems that face this nation.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:27 PM
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16. "How many times in the history of this nation has the Senate refused to seat an appointee? "
Guess you didn't read the OP.

Give me a good reason the Senate shouldn't seat Burris?


Again, read the OP.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:30 PM
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17. I'm sorry, this is frivolous. No reason to not seat the guy. Let's move on to the real work ahead.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:35 PM
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19. Nothing frivolous about it,
declaring Burris' appointment untainted is simply foolish. Appearances alone indicate that he is compromised. He went from being highly critical of Blagojevich to defending him. Blagojevich doesn't get to make the appointment.

Sanders: Blagojevich Situation A Disgrace

Burlington, Vermont - December 30, 2008

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is calling the situation involving Illinois' Governor Rod Blagojevich trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's Senate seat a "disgrace."

"What upsets me about that is it just makes young people look at the political process and think everybody is like this guy and it's certainly not the case," Sanders said. "It's a disgrace period. What we said in the Senate is we would not accept his nomination, that it's been tarnished."

Sanders hopes that Blagojevich will leave office soon.




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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:59 PM
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21. I disagree. With you and Bernie. Burris is not tainted simply because Blago appointed him.
The whole argument is tainted. He'll be one Senator. And Blago has a point in saying that the people of his state should have full representation in the Senate. Start there and work back. He's right, and he did what he should have done.

If the Senate can approve a Supreme Court nominee like Alito, then come on.

For some reason I have an image of a dog chasing his tail in my head.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 01:05 PM
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22. Tainted refers to Blagojevich making the appointment.
There is no way to say with any certainty that an appointment made by a person who discussed selling a Senate seat hasn't been tainted. That is why he should not have made the appointment, why its'snot being certified and why the Senate is refusing the appointment.

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:30 PM
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26. Completely different situation.
The charges against Blago directly center around one thing, this appointment. Not so with Clinton. While he may be completely within his authority to do so, it is certainly unethical to fill a seat that he is charged with selling.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:28 PM
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28. Is he not innocent until proven guilty?
seriously
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 12:58 AM
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34. In a court of a law, yes.
But there's a difference between reserving one's legal rights to a fair and impartial trial, and doing what is right for the state you're supposed to be interested in serving. If Blago cared about anyone but himself, he'd realize any appointment he makes is detrimental to the Democratic Party and the state of Illinois as a whole. Any appointment he makes would inevitably come under a cloud of suspicion and be entirely ineffective as a senator.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:35 PM
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18. Unconvincing. Nobody died, there were no irregularities.
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 12:43 PM by bottomtheweaver
There is just the usual repuke take-down operation scamming on the fourth (that's FOURTH, 4th, f-o-u-r-t-h) Dem governor in Junior's reign, only this is a two-fer because they think they're getting a Dem governor AND a senator, oh joy.

Screw 'em and screw this kind of idiot propaganda. SLATE is just another MSM tool. Isn't owned by Bill Gates for pete's sake?


........
Edit to add that I mean the article, not the thread!!! :)
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:06 PM
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24. Seat him - it's the lesser of three evils.
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 03:09 PM by tinrobot
Evil #1 - We seat a senator chosen by a corrupt governor all Democrats have rejected. Egg on our face, but we keep the seat and the vote.

Evil #2 - The seat goes vacant, giving us one less vote and the GOP more power.

Evil #3 - The seat goes up to a popular vote, giving the GOP a chance to win a previously safe seat.

Picking the least evil - I would go with egg on our face. At least we keep the seat and the vote.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:13 PM
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25. #4
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 03:14 PM by ProSense
Someone else makes the appointment, which makes #2 invalid in the long term (if one can call a couple of months long-term).

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:32 PM
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27. Maybe the seat SHOULD go to a popular vote.
Some things are more important than politics, and the health of our democracy is one of them.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:53 PM
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29. ProSense, do you have some vested personal interest in the Burris and Blago saga?
I have seen you on multiple thread advocating that Burris NOT be seated, yet you don't even LIVE in Illinois. What gives?

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but spamming the board on the one obscure subject that isn't even anything you legally have any say about seems odd to me.



Laura
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:04 PM
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30. Good grief.
I've posted seven threads over the course of three days on the subject and you call that spamming? It's always a sign that someone has no argument left when s/he resorts to personal attacks.


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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:18 PM
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31. SEVEN threads in three days on ONE subject???
I LIVE in Illinois and have started exactly NO threads on the subject since the day of the arrest when I went into the Illinois forum and posted a thread about what a sucky day that was for Illinois Democrats.

Like I said-you are most certainly entitled to an opinion--we all are. But for not even being an Illinois voter your "passion" on the subject seems bit over the top to me.

Just sayin...


Laura
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:49 PM
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33. There is nothing unsual about that. I'm fairly certain everyone discussing this issue
isn't from Illinois. The U.S. Senate is making a determination, and it is based in DC.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:28 PM
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32. Informative article. Thanks for posting it.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 01:08 PM
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35. arguing that an appointment is a return or an election is pretty weak
And not likely to prevail
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