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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:17 PM
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Should Blago's 22 post-arrest pardons be overturned?
Or are the Illinois Democrats going to selectively pick and choose which of Blago's post-arrest actions stick and which ones won't? He is making moves every single day as the governor of Illinois..
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:24 PM
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1. IMO, morally, they should be overturned
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 03:25 PM by IWantAnyDem
Legally, they won't be.

But you fail to recognize, the United States Senate has consitutional rights and obligations in the matter.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:52 PM
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5. And you fail to recognize what the Supreme Court has said are
limitations on those rights and obligations. Burris will be seated eventually.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 08:08 PM
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7. If seated, he will be expelled
and that right is absolute. Any Senator may be expelled by the Senate at any time for any reason.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 08:03 PM
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9. Be real for a change
It takes 67 votes to expel. Do you seriously think 67 Senators are going to expel the only African American senator who has no allegations at all against him? Dream on for your white senate. You won't get it.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 01:05 AM
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10. First of all,
What is wrong with you making this a racial issue? The allegations are about the appointer, not the appointee, although anyone who'd accept an appointment under these circumstances is probably ethically challenged. But let's continue. So it would have been totally fine to expel Blago's pick had it been a white man? You've been duped by Blago's ridiculous race-baiting ploy.

And yes, I do think 67 senators would vote to expel anyone blago appointed. We can count on the 41 or so GOP votes for expulsion, which then requires less than half of the Dem caucus, the majority of whom would most likely vote to expel.

Dream on for your corrupt, racial quota based senate. You won't get it.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:55 PM
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6. True... but the IL lawmakers are a bit disingenuous in their
concerns. Blago is signing new bills every day.

On December 12, he signed Senate Bill 934 into law, providing insurance coverage to parents of children with autism.

Do the affected parents and kids also have a cloud over their heads?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 08:21 PM
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8. You make a damn good point.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 04:36 PM
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2. Legally I don't there's anyway to undo pardons
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think there's any safeguards in the constitution or anywhere to prevent a corrupt politician from pardoning people for bad reasons.

The only safe guard on pardons I know of is that you can't pardon yourself.

And while I agree it doesn't seem right that Blago can still pardon people, Blago hasn't even been indicted of anything yet. He's only widely believed by almost everyone to be totally corrupt.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:31 PM
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3. I don't think they can be. But if they could, no.
Not unless they have evidence of wrongdoing with regard to specific pardons. I hate "blanket" approaches to things. Each case should be reviewed and decided separately, if the law allows. Some of those people may deserve a pardon and they shouldn't be punished because Blago might be a crook.

But I don't think pardons can be undone.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:51 PM
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4. by whom?
:shrug:

It's the Senate Democrats who say any Blago appointment won't be allowed to caucus with them, not the Illinois Democrats (whether or not they'll follow through on the threat is another question)

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