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Cash_thatswhatiwant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:07 AM Original message |
Is it true that Rick Warren's church won't let women.... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Horror! Thanks for enlightening us!111!. nt |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. Many churches don't. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. mine does |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I didn't say "all", I said "many". |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yes, it is. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
129. Screw Warren!!!!!!!!! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. This is true. Women cannot have authority above men. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Too bizarre! Bag that load-O-crap. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
80. Your link proves nothing. In fact, nobody on this thread has proven a thing. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
128. Here is an archived link (Saddleback has been scrubbing their website for the past days) |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
5. Gosh, I didn't even know he was Catholic. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. there are eerie similiarities |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Nota all that eerie. They are both using the Bible as the starting point. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. True |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I think there might well be issues these days, especially with this particular |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Perhaps you are correct. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. As least he'd have the nazi cred so many here seem to crave |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. A Catholic Muslim Orthodox Jew! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Women can have leadership roles in the Church |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. In a lot of evangelical churches, women take "leadership" roles, too, but |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. No, they are not allowed leadership roles. Name me a female |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
123. Are you asking just about Catholics? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. just catholics |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
124. I don't believe you actually read my post then |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I did read your post |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. yes, but we can just view it as something "We disagree on" okay? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That's right The oppression of women is just an opinion! |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I think you totally missed the reference |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I was chiming in. My chimes must need regrooving. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. haha... dude, I'm not being serious |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I wasn't either. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. HEyHEY, the combination of the bear and your comments |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Reasonable people can agree that sometimes misogynism is okay |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. It's not misogyn! It's just a prspective! n/t |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. thank you NT |
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Ecumenist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
14. It wouldn't surprise me. That the typical funamentalist opinion about women |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. Only the Beautiful Women |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. He looks like a beer drunk tailgater. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. That would require a highly unnatural inclination on their parts. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. I can't imagine any woman in her right mind wanting to have sex with THAT! |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
130. What woman, who is not brainwashed or being paid, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
20. He's a Southern Baptist, so women usually can't be pastor |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Thank you. And even all evangelicas are not like him. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
22. Probably. In the Pauline Epistles, Paul kind of brings the Orthodox |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. And Paul is also the only one in the NT to |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
50. just for the sake of clarity Paul also wrote that a husband and wife |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. You are correct -- they can't even teach Sunday School -- and, they must completely subjugate |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. And to donate. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. They cannot teach Sunday School, even to females? Wow, even I had a woman |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Half of what you just said are OUTRIGHT LIES. Skim their actual website... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Errr -- no, it isn't, everything I've said is true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Deleted message |
LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. You are totally wrong and you know it -- spinspinspin away |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Yes, and they all have to have MEN OVER THEM |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. They conveniently left out that part |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. LOL. He said they can't even teach Sunday school. That lie was easy enough to expose. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. 1. LostinVA is female |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. My apologies to VA for not knowing her gender. I don't have an axe to grind, I'm just annoyed... |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. advising women that if their husbands beat them...they should try harder |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I read the whole article... "other PEPFAR grantees" implies grantees other than Warren's church... |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
121. Warren was a leader in pushing **** to form PEPFAR |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Are all 478 of your prior posts also as completely wrong and full of shit, too? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Deleted message |
Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You don't get it. Maybe you're not an it-getter. n/t |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I proved you wrong THREE times, but you still spinspinspin |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Deleted message |
LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I ahven't lied at all -- you raelly need to quit calling me a liar -- against DU rules |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Fine. I'll rephrase. Stop exagerrating. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm not |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Comparing the plight of women at this kind of church to whats going on in the middle east... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Becasue it is very similar -- |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. It's only similar if husbands beating wives is a concern LOL. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Right because Saddlebackers beat, stone and execute women... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Are you raelly this ignorant or just refusing to admit Warren sucks? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I've said he "sucks" a billion times. Stop trying to dodge the fact that you exaggerated. |
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plantwomyn (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
119. "I've said he "sucks" a billion times." |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. In harping on one phrase you are missing the point |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Debate and dissent is fine. Exaggerating the severity of the Warren prayer and overrating his role.. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. The symbolism of that invocation is in question and the message it sent. |
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plantwomyn (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. The role of Warren's "prayer" and the severity of it's meaning. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Deleted sub-thread |
ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Women's ministrys are, by definition |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
95. That is how it is in the catholic church |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
93. Of course their web site doesn't tell the truth NOW. |
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Cash_thatswhatiwant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
73. wow not even a women's class? i went to a very strict class before but we had women |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
35. Looked through their website... his own wife gives sermons and she headed up their AIDS/HIV program. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. And yet to do so is a contradiction of the direct |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. 1. I decided years ago I'm all but agnostic 2. Paul was addressing an issue related to the times... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I didn't make up anything -- everything I said was true |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
86. You are taking Rick's part here, so that is how I dealt with you |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. My church was envangelical but they also believed in female pastors. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. But yes there is a need to make that argument |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Generally speaking, and I grew up fundy, women can only exercise leadership |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I'm invested in the truth because at the end of the day, it pertains to the PE that I support. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Warren is a well-known misogynist |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Yes, I figured that was your reason, |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Whats blind about it? Obama is the only reason people are talking about it... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Believe it or not, some of us believe that getting into bed with Warren is wrong. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #87 |
98. Because I don't view it as some huge mistake. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Fine. Others do consider this a mistake. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Then you are over invsted in the PE that you support |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #88 |
103. Wait, I'm "over-invested" if I think its about tying Obama to something bad? |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. It's about a bad decision. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
105. This thread asked a question about Rick Warren, not Obama. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Why is the thread is General Discussion: Presidential then? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. We wouldn't even be talking about Warren if Obama hadn't honored him. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
108. The truth about Warren |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
52. Women who belong to churches that discriminate against them are fools. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Or beaten down into a state of "learned helplessness" ... sort of like many Americans after |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Whatever the reason, still fools. It's long past time to WAKE UP! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Yes, but the collective "we" will be required to assist in waking them from the authoritarian ether. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Fools or with extremely bad self esteem |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. And sad that they keep sending their children to such places... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Both boys and girls will likely grow up to continue the abuse and self abuse |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. True - what a horrific story Andrea's was! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Whenever people say,"She was an adult, blah blah blah" |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Agreed, except I have not seen definitive proof in this thread. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. I don't think they are going to publish their restrictions against women |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. They did, but they JUST scrubbed it -- you have to read the cached version |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #99 |
109. I spent too much time at their web site just now LiV |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #99 |
113. Then provide a link. I mean, you make these accusations without |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Here ya go beachmom |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Thanks. Well, most organized religion is sexist. The few liberal |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Hi beachmom! I agree, it is sad that women are marginalized in many denominations. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
75. You mean he doesn't discriminate against homosexuals exclusively? |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
94. If true, it would put him right in line with the Catholic Church. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #94 |
104. That's true, Catholics and fundys share many same social views |
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RetiredTrotskyite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
117. No, They Have To be..... |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
120. This is an interesting article about pastor rick from the WSJ. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. A matter of tone. |
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