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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:52 AM
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It's MS. KENNEDY, not Mrs. Kennedy!
Why can't reporters and pundits get that right when talking about Caroline?? :P
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:53 AM
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1. did she get divorced?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:55 AM
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2.  Nope, and she goes by Kennedy Sclossberg.(Sp)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:57 AM
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5. When she worked with our Obama office, she was introduced as...
Caroline Kennedy.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:27 PM
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46. Actually she does not. Her name was never legally changed to Schlossberg.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:55 AM
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3. Irrelevant, if it's what she chooses to go by...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 11:55 AM by Dennis Donovan
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:21 PM
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6. i must have missed where she said don't call her Mrs. Generally, Ms. is for unmarried people.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:27 PM
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10. Actually, Ms. is used for married or unmarried women who use their own names.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:33 PM
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13. but she doesnt use her own name. she uses Kennedy-Schlossberg.
When you fill out on an application Miss. Ms. or Mrs. there is a reason behind it and it doesn't have to do with what name you use.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:37 PM
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16. When I met her, she used Caroline Kennedy...
I've never known a woman who uses her own name with the title Mrs. ~ for many, the point of using your own name is NOT to use a title based on marriage status.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:55 PM
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42. No, she uses Kennedy
Ms. is used to designate that one's married status is not pertinent; it is the female equivalent of Mr.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:54 PM
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50. you are actually wrong about that. That *WAS* once the way...in like 1952
but there was a USSC ruling on the matter and it's this: Women are all Ms. It had something to do with a woman having to reveal personal information about herself vis a vis just for being a Miss to a Mrs (or "Ms" if'n she were divorced) It's Ms. all around now (personal preferences aside, some women choose to be Mrs, and that's up to them, but Ms. belongs to every LayDee.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:56 PM
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27. Ms. was supposed to end the discrimination
associated w/ married or not questions. I have used to all during my adult life - married or not.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:59 PM
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32. I've used it all my adult life too...
Most of my friends who grew up in the 70s use Ms. (never even considered changing their names or using Mrs.), but I think younger ones may be using Mrs. more. Not sure.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:47 PM
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53. My mom kept her name and goes by Mrs. I've never heard anyone call her Ms.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:34 PM
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14. Oh, for gawd's sake, where the hell have you been the past 40 years?!
It's for both - it's the equivalent of Mr. - marital status is NOT indicated by it.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:40 PM
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17. why so angry? people are too dramatic here lately
She doesn't insist on being called Ms. Kennedy Schlossberg so who are you to dictate that? I could care less what she wants to call herself but there is actually a difference btwn Mrs and Ms.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:41 PM
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18. The difference isn't marital status.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:45 PM
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20. then what is it? On most forms there is Miss, Ms. and Mrs.
what is the difference?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:49 PM
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23. Mrs. is the old title for married. Miss is the old title for unmarried...
Ms. is the modern title for either, the non-sexist equivalent of Mr.

But I've never known a woman who kept her own name and then chose to use Mrs.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:58 PM
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31. hyphenating is not the same as just keeping your name.
She probably wanted to keep her Kennedy connection. I doubt it was about not taking her husbands name or she wouldn't have changed it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:00 PM
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33. If she once used her husband's name, she doesn't anymore...
Maybe it was only the media who used her husband's name.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:02 PM
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35. She has used it recently. She will probably use Kennedy as senator b/c its more powerful.
But i'm pretty sure her legal name is hyphenated.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:05 PM
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36. Well, she used Caroline Kennedy last spring when she worked here with us...
She even called voters using that name. (I thought she might just use Caroline on the phone, but she used Caroline Kennedy.)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:10 PM
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38. I was too curious not to look it up...
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Caroline-Kennedy-Schlossberg

Her legal name is Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, but sometimes she is referred to incorrectly with her husband's last name, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:00 PM
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43. She kept her name when she married
{Andrea Sachs}: WHY DO YOU USE THE NAME KENNEDY ON YOUR BOOKS, RATHER THAN KENNEDY SCHLOSSBERG, YOUR MARRIED NAME?

{Caroline Kennedy}:I never actually changed my name. But people call me whatever they call me.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1002414,00.html
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:57 PM
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55. It's all semantics games those with too much time on their hands like to play. I use "Miss" with
women I know to be unmarried, and have never in my life heard a single complaint about it. I use "Ms" with those who self-state that is how they are addressed, of course.

Of course, most of the women I work with go by the title "Dr.," so that's the title I use the most in any event.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:56 PM
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28. You misunderstand the purpose of the honorific Ms.
I am aware that many if not most do not understand the intent. I have been told by some that Ms.identifies if a woman is divorced, which is exactly opposite of the very reason it was created. It's purpose was to not identify a woman by her marital status but to match Mr. - which in no way tells you if the man you are referring to is married or unmarried. It evidently failed in achieving this. You are correct as there is a difference between Mrs. and Ms. in that a woman who chooses to refer to herself as Mrs. wants to tell the world she is married versus a woman who uses Ms. who does not (or should not).
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:31 PM
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40. Yes there is.
Ms. can be married or unmarried. Just like Mr.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:56 AM
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4. You don't use Mrs. with a maiden name.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:47 PM
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21. One of my teachers in High School did
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:50 PM
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26. Did her husband choose to use her maiden name too - I've heard of that...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:51 PM by polichick
...both using the woman's name because it's just a better-sounding or simpler name.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:00 PM
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34. I do and know others who do this as well.
It was mainly b/c I was already known by my name in my profession and didn't want to change that but I still wanted to have the same name as my future children.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:27 PM
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47. "Ms." would be the title, then.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 03:29 PM by WinkyDink
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:26 PM
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45. And that proves only that your teacher was wrong. One cannot marry one's self.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:24 PM
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7. I've got a scoop for you. Married women sometimes go by Ms.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:25 PM
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8. Yes We Do. n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:29 PM
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12. Yep - I'm married and use Ms. with my birth/maiden name.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:35 PM
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15. thanks for attempting to scoop but fail.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:48 PM by marimour
I use a hyphenated name but still am a Mrs. She doesn't just use Kennedy, although you may still call her that.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:57 PM
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30. I am married and use my husband's last name and
I have always referred to myself as Ms. whether single or married.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:27 PM
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9. When I said there are other important things going on, this isn't quite what I had in mind.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:27 PM by BlooInBloo
:P
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:28 PM
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11. This is purely for fun. :)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:44 PM
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19. Yeah well, most reporters suck these days, what else is new?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:48 PM
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22. It appears she will be Senator Kennedy soon enough, so no worries!
:P
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:49 PM
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24. I hope so!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:49 PM
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25. Nice solution! :)
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:57 PM
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29. Haha... i am newly married and still going by Ms. and my birth name
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:57 PM by SallyMander

But this seems to confuse everyone -- but by June (hopefully!) i will be a Dr. So problem solved! :D
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:06 PM
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37. Congrats on the soon-to-be new title! :)
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:11 PM
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39. Thank you! I'll be a PhD, not an MD

so no dispensing medical advice. ;)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:42 PM
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44. Wonderful accomplishment!
A warm pre-congratulations to you! Why bother changing the stationery when you have such a great title on the horizon! Brava!
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:37 PM
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49. Thank you so much AC!

It still feels far off in the future but i am making good progress - should be on track to defend my dissertation this spring. Yikes! :D

:hug:
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:48 PM
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41. Because to so many of them
a woman, if married, is no more than an extension of a man. Even though Caroline's husband's name is not Kennedy, if she is married, she must be Mrs.....Miss of Mrs. That's all there is!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:29 PM
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48. She can be: "Mrs. Edward Schlossberg"; "Ms. Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg"; "Ms. Caroline Kennedy".
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:50 PM
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51. Ms. Caroline Kennedy or Ms. Caroline Bouvier Kennedy is correct...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 05:55 PM by polichick
Or just Ms. Kennedy. She didn't change her name when she married.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Caroline-Kennedy-Schlossberg

"Her legal name is Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, but sometimes she is referred to incorrectly with her husband's last name, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg."




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makinguphumans Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:29 PM
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52. Her book covers say Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:50 PM
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54. Do they?
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makinguphumans Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:23 PM
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56. I was looking at the poem books a few days and
most of them came up with the Hypen:
The media wants her so they will only use the Kennedy name.






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