People are really taking the Rick Warren thing to far...

[samplegirl]

Why can't some people just be happy we have a real leader someone who we can be proud of???
Maybe some of us need to take time out to ask....how things would be going if McSame were taking office.

[Bluebear]

1. What is 'to far' about it?

[Dennis Donovan]

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Another brilliant OP, eh, BB?:banghead:

[Bluebear]

30. You know it, Denn!

[leftstreet]

2. Who is Rick Warren? n/t

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[terrya]

4. We'd be pissed off because McSame would choose Rick Warren for his Inauguration.

That's where we would be.

[firedupdem]

5. While some are genuinely hurt and offended...and rightfully so...

some are just enjoying the misery and dragging it out for as long as they can. Crabs in a barrel.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. enjoying the misery ???

'splain Lucy, 'splain.

[firedupdem]

31. I think some of the posts are from people who could care less about

equal rights for GLBT's members and people of this country. They are enjoying the fact that people are upset and instead of showing genuine anger at this pick they are doing their best to be divisive and cause more upset than is already here. I wish I had bookmarked the thread but last night I ran into an ass that I hope has since been banned saying blacks and gays should work together but blacks and gays hate each other. I'm like wtf? How is that constructive?

[ronnykmarshall]

67. Rock on baby!!!

[mondo joe]

20. Yeah, because we'd rather be unhappy than have a worthwhile president.

:eyes:

[IndianaJones]

22. who are the crabs? the gays? nt.

[firedupdem]

36. NO! the assholes who I think are trolls with very low post counts

that suddenly appeared here causing bullshit. I hate the warren pick and his hateful teachings..you are misunderstanding my point.

[IndianaJones]

40. so which crab is making it out of the barrel? nt.

[firedupdem]

45. they don't thats the point...when they are on their way out someone

pulls em back in. But I think you know that already.

[IndianaJones]

49. which crab is getting pulled back in? who almost made it out? nt.

[firedupdem]

51. have a great weekend! n/t

:hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

6. Real leaders would take a stand against homophobic, sexist, anti-semites

[Deja Q]

7. Because the new fuhrer doesn't kow tow to every special interest group.

:sarcasm:

(edit: Added the tag)

[mondo joe]

13. Just the religious special interest group, toad. NT

[ronnykmarshall]

17. oppps

[mondo joe]

8. I wish I could be proud. But Obama giving such an honor to a monster makes me regret

my vote for him.

Nothing to be proud of.

[samplegirl]

43. Yeah...McCain----Obama whats the difference

[mondo joe]

46. The difference is that McCain doesn't pretend to be a "fierce advocate" for me while honoring

people who attack my family.

[ronnykmarshall]

9. Dear simple .... oops samplegirl

Warren and the supporters of Prop 8 are now working NOW invalidate the 18,000 marriages in California.

Sorry if being upset is "taking the Rick Warren thing 'to' far".

Piss off.

[samplegirl]

19. Guess I'm not getting any recommends?

I'm Anything but simple!!!

[mondo joe]

21. You'll get plenty. There are lots of people who don't give a shit about GLBT people. NT

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

29. Now, your going to far.

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Oh I know ...

DAMN .. I wish I could just know my place.

[KitchenWitch]

106. Oh Ronny, there are plenty of people on here that are more than happy...

to tell you where your place is.

:banghead:

[Bluebear]

28. Sure you will, lots of people here think the gays are too whiny.

[Neshanic]

59. Oh your post is like caviar to the "Warren is a non-issue" gang!

[Neshanic]

Vista dupe

[Neshanic]

61. dupe

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. How would things going if McSame were taking office?

Well, we might have a Repuke in charge of transportation, a corporate shill in charge of agriculture, the same old warmongers running Defense and a PNAC enabler as Secretary of State.

And a homophobic dominionazi giving the invocation.

Oh wait........ :evilfrown:

[Maven]

11. No they are fucking NOT.

Not when shit like this is happening:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4685771&mesg_id=4685771

These people want to DESTROY US. Don't you get that?

[Mike Nelson]

12. A right delayed is a right denied

but, Obama may have a long range plan.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. So you're saying we should give positions of honor to complete homophobes who also

believe women should have few rights to their own body, and are diehard fascists who ask their congregations to vote ONLY Republican? Those are the people we should honor? We should applaud? Whom Obama likes? Whom Obama high fives?

If those are, then I've voted for NO CHANGE.

[Liberal Veteran]

18. If McSame were taking office, it's likely we'd be completely shut out of the process...

...and the festivities.

I'd like that think that giving the right some small place at the table during the festivities might go along way to ending some of the vitriol of the last few years.

It's human nature to want to shut out your political opponents after a victory, that's what they did to us, after all.

I don't want to go with that path. I think we are better people than that.

[TomInTib]

23. I just don't get it.

It was a business decision, pure and simple.

The Right cannot complain, nor can they keep raising the Reverend-whatever-his-name-is issue.

After all, it is just a bunch of malarkey pomp-and-circumstance bullshit. The Inauguration is a silly joke, stagecraft.

[AllentownJake]

26. God sometimes we are as bad as the freepers

This isn't black and fucking white and either is the world.

Seriously people are pissed right now and rightfully so. Trust has been violated.

Do you guys break up with your significant other every time there is a fight too? Is that what people are afraid of mommy and daddy are going to break up because they are fighting?

I will not be guilted into feeling happy about this and neither will the other people on the board. So stop trying to do it.

[Captain Hilts]

27. Where's he leading us?

[Midlodemocrat]

33. You know. I feel the same way.

The other day, when a guy in an old pick up truck cut me off, he had a confederate battle flag flying from his car.

BUT, he didn't call me a C***. So seriously, progress is being made.

:sarcasm: to the stupidest fucking OP ever.

[mmonk]

34. "Too far" may only be rightfully determined by those who have not achieved full civl rights yet

and know he has a following while preaching that their rights be denied.

[Double T]

35. Damn right. Way too much self centered interest instead of concern..........

for the greater good and focus on ALL.

[Rhythm]

99. So sayeth the man who hath all of his civil rights recognized...

:eyes:

[Double T]

107. No man (or woman) has ALL of their civil rights recognized, specially under..........

the bush/cheney dictatorship. We ALL have very serious financial problems and our nation's economy has been completely destroyed. That my friend should be issue #1.

[Cattledog]

38. The Warren thing has veered into the surreal.

Millions dying from war, malnutrition, disease. The economy is tanking. But a few are fixated on a flabby preacher. Go figure.

[AllentownJake]

41. Do you think all the threads telling people that

the slap in the face they just recieved is not so bad is encouraging the discourse to get better or making it worse?

[Cattledog]

50. Warren represents everything I despise

but It's just a freaking prayer. Doesn't mean shit in the scheme of things.

[AllentownJake]

56. To you

however to people who feel betrayed right now it means alot more.

The prayer at the inaguration is a position that alot of religous figures covet. Alot of people on here feel like he's being rewarded for bad behavior.

[Liberal Veteran]

77. Jake, it is becoming Ahab-like.

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.

It's become a matter of ego rather than of one of accomplishment. We have the anger and the passion, aren't there more important things to us than this?

In the end, if we were to force President-Elect Obama's hand on this matter, what is the prize?

[AllentownJake]

85. I think you know how involved I was

I don't know if even if he rescinds this if the damage can be undone.

This has been quite the violation of trust. Trust is hard earned and easy to lose.

I think he's a good man but the luster has worn off a little bit. He was either naive or callous with this. I'm praying for naive.

[bvar22]

93. It is "not just a freaking prayer".

It is the opening spotlight on a Global Stage.
This is the very first official face the World will see as a representative of the "Change" administration.

[Rhythm]

101. It's not 'just a prayer'... it's giving the podium, and the attention of the nation,

to someone who adamantly condemns us, and doing so on the single most historic day in American politics in the last century, if not at all.

Damn right we're pissed, and rightfully so. This sets the tone for what is to come, and that tone rings as a sour note to the GLBT community and our families and other allies.

[mondo joe]

44. I'm going to take your example and no longer care about those things.

Thanks!

[jhrobbins]

87. Yeah, because we are apparently only able to consider one issue

at a time. You must be mistaking us for Bush

[jonnyblitz]

39. we don't have a real leader. nt

[samplegirl]

47. Barney Frank has done a real good job

being gay does not disqualify one from being in office.

[Mass]

71. Really? I do not see that many gay people in congress. Two or three at most

out of 500.

[Dennis Donovan]

42. Do you think Rosa Parks took things too far by sitting near the front of the bus?

I mean, Presdient Eisenhower was someone we could be proud of...

You're not even CLOSE to getting it, samplegirl.:thumbsdown:

[samplegirl]

48. Oh I get it...

and Rick Warren is not gonna stop you from being gay.

[mondo joe]

52. But Rick Warren will stop us from having equal rights. He'll attack our families.

And he'll hold a place of honor with Obama.

[AllentownJake]

53. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

YOU ARE NOT HELPING.

If you really want calm an unity you'd not say shit like that.

[mondo joe]

54. simplegirl just wants to get her kicks on the gays.

Probably had a bad crush on a gay guy in high school.

[AllentownJake]

62. I swear I'm becoming radicalized

reading the bullshit other DUers are posting right now.

[samplegirl]

65. Not that I know of...

unless you count David Cassidy

[mondo joe]

66. Since you seem to have a poor grasp of reason, you're not a good judge of it.

Even in your own life, no doubt.

[samplegirl]

58. Well most gays should have known that Obama & Hillary

were both for civil unions only.

[mondo joe]

63. What does that have to do with Warren? You really ARE simple. NT

[AllentownJake]

64. You understand

that this man compared gay people to pedophiles and incestious relationships.

Jesus christ I'm insulted right now and I'm not gay.

[Mass]

70. WTF does this has to do with Warren being chosen. Warren is not for civil unions.

He thinks that gay people are like child molesters and that women who had an abortion took part in an holocaust. I sure hope these are not opinions that Obama or Clinton hold.

[samplegirl]

75. I really doubt that Obama or Hillary think that way...

and really doubt that Obama feels he is offending the gay community.

[Mass]

78. In which case he is blind and this does not make it better.

[mondo joe]

80. So you're saying Obama is an idiot?

Or a liar?

Or both?

[Dennis Donovan]

57. No, you clearly don't...

This is a CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE. Period. Rick Warren has been ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING for a law which REMOVES the right for those who have been LAWFULLY MARRIED to REMAIN LAWFULLY MARRIED.

And, no, I'm not Gay. I'm afraid I do not have that honor...

[Neecy]

60. umm.....

What do you think 'being gay' means? Does it mean we don't want the simple rights you enjoy as a straight person?

[Starry Messenger]

69. I'm not gay.

I'm a female atheist. He thinks we are second class citizens who are going to hell, too. But you knew that.

[glowing]

55. Well, depends. Say you are black. Say you are married to a white man.

Say the state you live in took a vote and decided black and white people cannot be married anymore. Then the President, who's supposed to be a Democrat, decides to bring along the Pastor who advocated for your marriage to unlawful.. called your marriage an aborration, called your marriage something akin to pedophilia. Now, the same Proponents of that law decided to retroactivate the marriages that transpired while black/ white marriage was legal. Does it seem like too much.

Gay people are not asking for Rick Warren to acknowledge them or marry them, they are asking for equal rights and protection that the state/ fed. govt gives to two people who want to enter into a contractual marriage. The state uses the word marriage for these rights.. Marriage Certificate. Either change the contract at the court house for all couples who wish to be "married" or allow for gay people to have a marriage certificate. Its about equality. What's too much?

[Mass]

68. Hopefully, you do not think you are helping...

Can you understand people are upset because of what he supports and because Obama chose him to lead the invocation? Yes, most of these people believe that Obama is better than McCain, but that does not make it right.

[KitchenWitch]

72. No, I think some people are taking being obtuse too far.

Your lack of compassion for the GLBTs and for women is telling.

[AlCzervik]

73. poor thing you, must be hard carrying around that cross--boohoo. Just be happy everyone---mmmkay?

[samplegirl]

74. Maybe instead of posting for days on end in the D.U.

people should be contacting Obama or Howard Dean with their concerns.

[Starry Messenger]

76. Who says they are not?

People come here to vent and gain comfort from each other. oktoberain wrote a lovely post about it that perhaps you missed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8009263

[AlCzervik]

79. plenty of us have already and donated to marriage equality, sorry if that interferes

with your ability to be happy.

[leftofthedial]

81. the naivety and willful ignorance of some people is just gobsmacking

why should we complain about the mean nazi prison guards? we should just be grateful for the showers.

[polichick]

82. How is it up to you to decide how others should feel or react??

[mondo joe]

83. Tell me: How different would things be for GLBT people if McSame were president?

Hm?

[samplegirl]

88. We would all have greater issues than

marriage. You know it.

[mondo joe]

89. You didn't answer me.

Thanks.

[PVnRT]

84. Condescending bullshit

Maybe you could prepare a list of things people are allowed to get offended about. Then you wouldn't have to be a patronizing twit.

If unquestioning loyalty is now what is required at DU, count me the fuck out.

[Malikshah]

86. Nope. Not playing the silly game of what ifs. The Reality is simple.

Civil rights reached two milestones on Nov 4.

First African-American voted as President
First major stripping of civil rights for part of the population.

Rick Warren was against the former and for the latter.

Rick Warren is a threat to society.

[lostnotforgotten]

90. We Can Only Conclude That You Are A Bigot Because You Condone Mainstream Bigots

eom

[Marrah_G]

91. and another one.............

[madmadmad]

92. PROUD? OF A MAN WHO INVITES A BIGOT TO PRAY FOR HIM? INVITES HIM TO *OUR* PARTY?

[stillcool]

97. No right wing christians allowed?

I agree Obama made a bad choice, but it seems that many here are being a little disingenuous. It is not the choice that they are upset with, it is Obama himself, and everything he represents.

[Danger Mouse]

102. The Caps Lock button should be given a rest sometimes.

[madmadmad]

109. I'LL GIVE IT A REST WHEN THIS BOARD STOPS DEFENDING BIGOTRY! I'M MAD AS HELL!

[Hanse]

94. Oh, an awful lot of people are just begging for excuses to bash Obama.

They had nothing to say when their own favorite politician went to Saddleback and rubbed elbows with Warren.

Or had any complaints when Bill Clinton had a bigot preacher give his invocation at the 1993 and 1997 inaugurals.

A few weeks ago there was an angry thread about Chavez alledgely being a homophobic bigot. The whole story turned out to be false, but a lot of people jumped on it for the sole purpose of bashing Chavez. It was pretty clear they didn't really care about GBLT and just wanted to exploit it to their own ends.

Much of the same is occuring here.

[stillcool]

98. Well...when Prop 8 passed..

it was Obama's fault..and all the other black people as well.

[EFerrari]

95. Take some time and DU this poll:

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[snake in the grass]

96. Translation:

Hey, gays, shut up and go to the back of the bus! There are more important problems to solve right now so get back to us in a century or two.

If not now, when?

[ThomCat]

100. A real leader is only what the real leader does.

If the real leader is throwing people to the dogs, tossing people under the bus and honoring bigots then he's not a real leader.

Is this what we supported? Is this what we pushed for throughout the entire campaign? Is this what you were hoping for and waiting for?

[TexasObserver]

103. By what authority do you decide your opinion is the right one?

Why can't you just let others talk about the topics of their concern, expressing freely their opinions, without feeling a need to shush them?

[Danger Mouse]

104. Why? I think people are right to be upset.

[Lilith Velkor]

105. Fuck you.

[samplegirl]

110. No fuck you!!!!!!!

[mwb970]

108. You might as well say "let's lay off the birth certificate" on FR.

People here want to be very, very upset and outraged about Warren, and that's what they're going to be, period. Asking them to stop only produces flamefests, as you see. It's the same thing that happened with the PUMA types during the primaries. Hillary as SOS produced another flareup of annoying flame threads.

I have to say, this board is becoming a bit of a chore to read. I think it's at its best before an election. Now that we've won, most of us have nothing to say any more, so we bash Obama over every tiny thing. (I know, I know, the Warren thing is not "tiny" to everyone, but it sure is to me.)

[cooolandrew]

111. Yes, it's taking the shine on what I just want to be a lovely day for all Americans whether>

they are with us or against us. I could never be that absolute.