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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:58 PM
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My Saddleback experience last weekend
I attended services at Warren's church last weekend. Warren's brother in law officiated the service which was typical of a mega church service. You are given a two sided paper with a three or four point outline of the service upon entry. Each major point always has a blank to be filled in. For example:

Democratic Underground posts on Warren are ______.

So the Pastor goes through the sermon which is about how Jesus needs to be the center/focus of peoples lives and he is using visuals to drive home his "fill in" points. They were really cheesy, for example for strength they used pictures of the Russian Army, Space Shuttle, Weightlifters, Ronald Reagan, and then said a few lines about strength through Jesus.

So the final point was Hope, and of course the used a picture of Obama, but not just any picture, but a photo shopped picture of Obama as a Superhero that was right at the end of a montage immediately preceded by a shot of a seated, contemplating, John McCain. So they get there laughter and Warren's bro in law says "that's not hope...."

I am confident that Saddleback didn't run similar messages in 2000 and 2004, and understand that Obama is trying to reach out, but I really don't understand what he thinks will be accomplished by including Warren and his follows in the efforts to impact change.



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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:08 PM
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1. Very interesting
Thanks for posting this.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:27 PM
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2. God will get them for that. n/t
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TripleKatPad Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:29 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this, Rufus
I've tried to remain open-minded as long as I could. I'm now convinced that PEObama's inclusion of Warren in his inauguration is not a move I would make as PE. Ok, I'll just say it. It's a big mistake.

On the other hand, I am not willing to judge PEO's whole presidency on this one thing. I hope this is the worst mistake he makes. I am still convinced that he will be a thousand times better than the last eight years of the Bush Crime Family.



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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:35 PM
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5. Agree with you
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 08:54 PM by rufus dog
Just disappointed with his judgement on this one.

On an interesting note I went to the Saddleback website to look at the outline for last weekend. They had a different outline posted.

Correction - The outline is on the Saddleback website.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:34 PM
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4. Thanks - how interesting!
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:36 PM
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6. You going to the protest on Sunday?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:04 PM
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7. Thanks for doing the recon.
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