Do you support equality for GLBT Americans?

[terrya]

Simple poll.

Just curious to find out the responses.

And I posted this here because I felt like it.

[LostinVA]

1. Anyone voting "no" should be banned imediately by the Admins

As per DU's rules.

I have full confidence they will step up to the plate in their support for equal rights for ALL Americans, and for all DUers.

[Jennicut]

2. I don't think anyone here believes in "No"

[mondo joe]

6. There's the "No if it takes away from other issues" crowd.

[Heidi]

10. Also known as the "scapgoating" and "throw 'em under the bus crowd." (nt)

[Solon]

9. I know of at least 4 posters for sure, for others, I'm not sure...

I do know they wouldn't vote honestly in any case.

[LostinVA]

13. Lots of people vote "no" in GLBT rights polls

MANY people on here publicly let us know they don't want us to have equal rights and to STFU about it. These are facts.

[QC]

23. Over 300 people have vted that we need to sit down and shut up. n/t

[LuckyTheDog]

24. I agree, but that is not enough for some

Based on my experience last night, one is shown to be a a bigoted homophobe unless he or she:

1) Believes Rick Warren is worse than Hitler.

2) Thinks Obama can never be trusted again if he allows Rick Warren to speak.

3) Cuts out of his/her life everyone he/she knows who does not show 100% support for gay marriage (including those who support civil unions).

4) Believes that anyone who does not show 100% support for gay marriage (including those who support civil unions) are in exactly the same category as those who still advocate for separate drinking fountains for African Americans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8001698&mesg_id=8001698

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[mondo joe]

29. Mostly bullshit. But it's true, those who are against EQUAL rights are in the same category

as segregationists.

[Jennicut]

33. Well, I don't know really what to say

I think Obama made a mistake but I still like him and want him to succeed as our president. Some of the posts here border on total mocking on both sides. The making fun of people just for enjoying photos of Obama is very stupid just as trying to tell gay people here to get over it is dumb as well. I think the real enemies are people like Rick Warren, not anyone here.

[alwysdrunk]

37. That's bullshit

Are gay activists like this in real life or just on the internet? That thread is ridiculous. These people are living in a dream world. No gay person I've ever known talks like that.

[pecwae]

35. I disagree.

I'm quite certain there are.

[slackmaster]

56. I was not aware that DU rules allowed for individual members to define litmus tests

to be obeyed by the Admins.

[QC]

3. You need a "Yes, unless there is some political advantage in not supporting it" option.

[mondo joe]

4. !

[myrna minx]

5. GLBT rights are human rights. K&R n/t

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[pecwae]

11. She has every right to post that there.

Why does that worry you so much? Why did you feel it necessary to link to it?

[Solon]

12. There's been bigotry displayed on this board...

Pointing that out should be lauded, and if you feel its directed at you, perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin. Believe me when I tell you GLBT people and their outspoken allies have grown thick enough skins.

[terrya]

14. She has the right to post that.

She's angry. And if you think she's the only one who feels that way, think again.

[LostinVA]

16. How is that a "deterrent"??? WTF???

She posted it in the GLBT forum and it was directed AT BIGOTS. She has every right to call out bigots on DEMOCRATIC Underground. Why are YOU so senistive about it?

:wtf:

[Jennicut]

19. Well it is their forum

and they don't want people there who they feel are bigoted to them, I understand that. I just truly don't think most of the people on this board are bigoted. I hate that word being used so easily around here. I do get that many gays here feel like they are fighting an endless fight and that they have so much every day discrimination against them but this separating of people, this tearing each other down, I don't get. Its kind of getting ugly. Or maybe DU just needs to separate GD presidential into two groups.

[NWHarkness]

26. I remember when I was a kid

White folks would often talk about how they had no quarrel with the good coloreds, it was just those uppity civil rights ones that they hated.

[pecwae]

8. Absofuckinglutely!

I can only vote 'yes' once, but agree with reply #3. I'm sure there are more than plenty who would vote for 'except for political expediency' knowing their vote would remain known only to the Admin here.

[LuckyTheDog]

15. I doubt anyone here would vote no.

Seriously.

[LostinVA]

17. Err... they do all the time in GLBT equal rights polls

[LuckyTheDog]

20. Show me one (nt)

[LostinVA]

31. All you gotta do is look -- especially the marriage polls

LOTS after theElection and Prop 8.

The blindest are those who refuse to see.

[LuckyTheDog]

34. There are those

Who feel that supporting civil unions that provide the same benefits and rights as marriage is not a betrayal of gay rights. I tend to disagree with that. But, I would not call those people "bigots" or put them in the same category as the KKK. Honest people can disagree about whether or not the word "marriage" is non-negotiable.

[Solon]

36. I don't think so, not any more anyways...

Its simply an excuse to keep the word marriage exclusively in the hands of heterosexuals, it was always a bullshit argument in the past, and now even more so.

[LuckyTheDog]

38. I agree that it is a bullshit argument

But I don't think those folks are in the same category as the KKK. Not by a longshot.

[mondo joe]

40. Not in the KKK category, but definitely in the segregationist category.

You should stop using words interchangeably to suit your victim mode.

[LuckyTheDog]

42. I am not a victim

You?

[mondo joe]

43. Poor you.

Poor privileged you.

[LuckyTheDog]

45. I am not privileged, either

There you go with the false choice thing again. I claim neither privilege nor victimhood.

[mondo joe]

46. Of course you are privileged.

Are there equal civil rights you are lacking?

[LuckyTheDog]

48. Does that make me privileged?

Here is what I know:

I worked my way through school. Nothing was handed to me.

I am 45 and was laid off from a company in which the CEO made $67 million last year.

I pay twice the car insurance rates as folks in the suburbs -- some of whom live only a few hundred yards from my own house.

My IRA is worth half what it was last year because a bunch of greedy bastards and incompetent government regulators fucked over the economy.

I have faced injustice on the basis of my working-class background and, recently, age discrimination on the job (most of the folks laid off were over 40).

I have lost out on jobs and promotions in the past because I was overweight.

There are plenty of people who have it better than me.

In some ways, I am still far better off than most people on the planet.

[mondo joe]

50. Yes, it does. Where others go without equality and you sit there with your full civil rights,

bemoaning your plight.

Gay people have all the same issues you listed on your victim-tally. But without your rights.

Privileged = you.

[LuckyTheDog]

51. But I am not a victim

Life is what it is. Where there is injustice, we should fight it. But to claim some kind of moral superiority based on your exquisite victimhood does no good at all. Not for me and not for you.

Trust me, there are plenty of inner-city families whose kids go to school with my son who might think you have things pretty good. I don't know your circumstances. But, I at least know you have a computer, Web access and a good education. You probably don't heat your house with a kerosene heater because the landlord didn't pay the gas bill. You more than likely won't be heading to the food bank in a blizzard today. That makes you "privileged" as well, I guess.

I totally agree that it is an injustice for you not to become legally married to the person of your choice. I argue in favor of gay marriage and vote to support it. I also think you will get that right because, in the end, it is what you deserve.

But this whole "you're with us or against us" dogma and your intolerance of any shade of grey that does not match your opinion -- it does not advance your cause in the real world.

[mondo joe]

52. You are one of the most confused posters here. NT

[LuckyTheDog]

53. I guess I failed the loyalty test

I support the right things. But I just can't get myself to be outraged in all the exact ways you think I should be. Darn.

[mondo joe]

54. No, you failed logic and consistency.

Sometimes you say positions are bigoted, sometimes soft bigoted, sometimes not bigoted.

Sometimes you say people are exemplary, sometimes not.

You say you're not a victim but give a list of grievances.

You say you're not privileged then say you are.

I'm done with keeping track with your moment by moment twists.

*ignore*

[LuckyTheDog]

57. Your interpretations are faulty

I provided the list to show that I am not privileged. Even though I am far better off than, say, the typical resident of Darfur, I would not call myself exactly a silver-spoon kid. But, despite all of the things I listed, I don't slap the "victim" label on myself, either. We all have our crosses to bear.

I think there is a difference between saying that a POLICY (civil unions) is a form of soft bigotry and saying that everyone who supports it is a flat-out bigot.

I guess you don't do nuance.

[Solon]

47. Not necessarily that bad, in actions at least...

but frankly, I don't have patience for idiots who forward that type of argument anymore.

[LuckyTheDog]

49. I get that

I really do. I really think the civil unions ship has sailed.

[mondo joe]

39. And not everyone who believed in separate water fountains was in the KKK.

[lunatica]

18. And I voted a 'yes' because I felt like it

:thumbsup:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. i think a better question is whether people prioritize it. they dont. i am sure of this

[RFKHumphreyObama]

22. I'm sure there'll be a few no votes sadly

Even what you think would be the least contentious question, some people will still vote no for reasons best kept to themselves

But you won't find me among them. To me it's a no-brainer

[NorthCarolina]

25. While I believe there are likely "No" votes lurking on DU I don't think they will register

their No vote here in this poll.

[TechBear_Seattle]

28. Keep in mind, equality includes full, equal, legal marriage, NOT Jim Crow subsitutes

If you oppose full, equal legal marriage for same sex couples, if you think that "civil unions," "domestic partnerships" and other forms of separate-and-inherently-unequal non-marriages are an acceptable idea, and voted Yes anyway, then you are a

FUCKING LIAR.

[Shiver]

30. Yes, without question. n/t

[HamdenRice]

41. Well, this poll gives lie to lots of bullshit posts about how "we" all want to take away rights

Maybe that false meme and strawman can now be put to bed permanently. Disagreement over strategy and tactics does not equal the desire to prevent marriage equality.

[TechBear_Seattle]

58. Would anyone dare say No, do you think?

And and I stated above, equal rights for gay people includes equal access to full legal marriage for same-sex couples. I assert that anyone on DU who has denounced equal marriage for gay couples, who have insisted that Jim Crow marriage substitutes are a good thing, do NOT support equality for GLBT Americans. Likewise, any member of DU who defended the Proposition 8 vote in California, or who told us to "get over it" when it passed or otherwise got pissy at our outrage over it.

Far more likely, those who do oppose equality simply will not respond.

[bitchkitty]

44. I voted Yes, of course.

But it doesn't matter how people vote, or if they like gays, or blacks, or women - it's a civil rights issue, and if you believe in the Constitution, then you support equal rights for gay people.

It is a civil rights issue that affects each and every one of us. If they can ban same-sex marriage, what would be next? If they start deciding that gay people cannot be parents, who will they decide can't be parents next time? Single people?

Those that oppose gay marriage because of religious religions are poster children for the separation of Church and State.

[slackmaster]

55. Yes, I have always supported that since before I was old enough to vote

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