Warren praises Obama's 'courage'

[ecstatic]

I commend President-elect Obama for his courage to willingly take enormous heat from his base by inviting someone like me, with whom he doesn't agree on every issue, to offer the Invocation at his historic Inaugural ceremony.

Hopefully individuals passionately expressing opinions from the left and the right will recognize that both of us have shown a commitment to model civility in America.

The Bible admonishes us to pray for our leaders. I am honored by this opportunity to pray God's blessing on the office of the President and its current and future inhabitant, asking the Lord to provide wisdom to America's leaders during this critical time in our nation's history.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Warren_praises_Obamas_courage.html

Looks like Obama will not be able to rescind now. He could have if the flap had escaped the media's attention. But not now.

[NJmaverick]

1. There is no question that Obama has shown great courage

in the face of hatred and anger.

[Solon]

3. No, he's show great moral cowardice in the face of righteous indignation.

Please don't make him out to be a fucking hero. And against what, may I ask, an oppressed minority? What fucking courage is that?

[NJmaverick]

11. That's a crock of shit

it's the same closed minded bigotry, just from the other side

[Solon]

28. It may be bigotry, but NOT like the bigotry displayed on the other side.

I didn't lobby to strip away Warren's or Obama's fucking marriage rights. So don't you fucking DARE compare it to Warren's bigotry.

[NJmaverick]

59. Bigotry is wrong no matter what side it's for

It's really that simple. As for what I will "DARE". I will "DARE" when it's the right thing to do. No self admitted bigot will ever intimidate me.

[Solon]

83. Why should I be even talking to you, you tolerate homophobia...

do you tolerate racism and sexism as well?

[Neecy]

81. no, it isn't the same

Have someone compare YOUR marriage to child molestation and get back to us about what constitutes bigotry.

[polichick]

4. How so? Looks like political opportunism to me.

[NJmaverick]

13. Obama is doing the right and honorable thing

he is doing what he promised this nation he would do. If he wanted to do the politically easy thing or be an "opportunist" (as you accused him of) he could have made the safe choice. Instead he is showing that he will make every effort to unite this country. Even if the hate filled extremists of both the left and the right attack him.

[Critters2]

14. He promised he'd throw gays under the bus? nt

[NJmaverick]

19. Oh BULL SHIT!

Give me a fucking break with this ridiculous and frankly embarrassing and utterly dishonest hyperbole!

[Critters2]

22. I take it you can legally marry. nt

[NJmaverick]

25. Are you a human being?

[Critters2]

27. Yes. What's your point? nt

[NJmaverick]

34. Oh I thought we had moved on to stupid unrelated questions

I guess you thought your question was some how relevant. My mistake

[WeDidIt]

26. I wish I could rec a post n/t

[polichick]

15. That's crazy - "the right thing" is not to elevate bigots to national stature.

[NJmaverick]

23. NO! The partisan wars are over

as Obama pledged to do.

[polichick]

24. This isn't about Warren being a Republican - it's about him being a BIGOT.

[NJmaverick]

31. Warren is like most people he has good and bad in him

he has done great things for the poor and the environment. He has terribly misguided and wrong headed views about abortion and gay marriage. That does not mean he should be excluded from our Country. That is the sort of the thinking George Bush used and I hated. It stinks just as bad when our side uses it. It's called rising above the pettiness of partisanship and looking out for the greater good of our nation. Considering the mess our nation is in, it's sorely needed.

[polichick]

36. You work with a guy like that, you don't honor him on such an important day.

[NJmaverick]

48. You fail to grasp the idea of working with someone

since that is EXACTLY what Obama is doing.

[polichick]

54. No, he's forcing the asshole on the rest of us .

[NJmaverick]

56. I can't help but wonder why there wasn't 62 million people who voted

you for President. You are so much smarter and better than Obama.

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[musette_sf]

79. this is NOT "working with someone".

inviting Warren to ecumenical Presidential Prayer Breakfasts, where MANY points of view are exchanged (hopefully for the great good of all) is "working with someone".

putting a woman-hater and gay-hater up on the dais on this momentous day, when women and gays helped to put Obama in office, is NOT "working with someone". it's a slap in the face.

[musette_sf]

77. exactly

you invite him, and lots of other ministers representing lots of other faiths and sects, to a Presidential Prayer Breakfast.

you put together an ecumenical meeting of lots of ministers representing lots of faiths and sects, and you invite him.

but you DON'T put him up on the dais for what is supposed to be a celebration for ALL Americans. you don't put someone on the dais who hates gays and women. you don't use this momentous occasion to throw a lot of your supporters under the bus.

[Critters2]

39. He hasn't done "great things" for the environment. He just hasn't advocated

destroying it like most fundies. Bobby Kennedy has done great things for the environment. And he's done horrible things for choice, women, and gays. But they don't really matter, do they?

[WeDidIt]

30. Man, are you naive

Rick Warren will attack Obama as soon as he tries to pass FOCA.

His hand will be bitten.

In fact, I suspect Warren will use the forum Obama gave him to attack FOCA and possibly destroy any chance of it being brought up.

[NJmaverick]

37. Not not naive, I am not a closed minded intolerant bigot

there is a big difference

[WeDidIt]

42. I disagree

supporting the choice of Warren MAKES YOU a closed minded intolerant bigot, IMO.

[NJmaverick]

49. Well the opinion of a closed minded hate filled bigot really doesn't concern me

[WeDidIt]

52. Same here

Click

[Critters2]

45. Then why are you defending a closed minded intolerant bigot? nt

[NJmaverick]

53. I am defending Obama and his honorable ideal of being inclusive

of being a great president that bridges divides and differences. A man that is setting the example. A man that is saying that people you don't agree with are not baby killers or evil homophobes. He is saying we are all Americans and we need to be united and work together.

You are in desperate need of his moral lessons.

[Critters2]

67. But what if the people you disagree with call you a babykiller,

or really are homophobes? What if they accuse you of incest or destroying the culture? No accountability for that sort of thing, huh?

And that inclusiveness of yours doesn't include gays?

I'll pass, thanks.

[NJmaverick]

69. People call me (and Obama) baby killers for supporting abortion

rights. I think that's terrible. I can't call them out and then turn around and attack a man as evil for being opposed to gay marriage. I think a far more sensible approach is to engage him and let him see the errors of his way. The idea that people who have a wrong view or opinion should be ostracized was proven wrong with Bush's disastrous foreign policy. They same a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

[RaleighNCDUer]

72. I'm not up on my acronyms. What's FOCA? nt

[WeDidIt]

78. Freedom of Choice Act. n/t

[depakid]

33. That's as naive a statement as I've EVER heard on DU

which is saying a LOT.

[NJmaverick]

38. Not niave, it's simply not being a closed minded intolerant bigot

[depakid]

57. So you think the fundamentalists and far right Republicans are just going to acquiesce

and behave reasonably after having been emboldened over the past 25 years?

That reminds me of the old folk tale of the scorpion & the frog.

As much as you wish it could happen- it won't, becasue it's not in their nature.

And those who think that is is- and act like the frog are going to get stung. Repeatedly.

[NJmaverick]

62. I think the extermists of both sides have had their day in the sun

Obama is going to reclaim this nation for the more reasonable people.

[depakid]

76. So what in your mind is a reasonable person?

A creationist?

A person who calls people who fight for social justice Marxists (unless of course, they're following his path to "salvation?"

A person who likens womens reproductive freedom to the holocaust?

That's the sort of guy whose views you think ought to enabled, legitimized and elevated to national prominence?

Wow.

[NJmaverick]

82. Barack Obama would be a perfect example

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

61. Sorry to jump in like this, but I just HAD to point out that you're a nasty moron.

[NJmaverick]

63. LOL! I got a mirror for you

Another freeper like post from the lunatic fringe of DU.

[EFerrari]

32. What kind of moral bankruptcy do you have to suffer from to equate

anyone on DU with Rick Warren?

Unreal.

[NJmaverick]

43. Ironic that someone as devoid of honor as yourself

would have the nerve to bring up morals

[EFerrari]

46. Now, that's a keeper.

:)

[NJmaverick]

55. Yes print it and post it on your wall

then try to do something about it.

[EFerrari]

73. No, I think I will just let your message sit on this thread

so it can receive the attention it deserves. :)

[EFerrari]

17. LOL! Sure.

[IndianaGreen]

44. Obama has shown that he is another DOMA signing Bill Clinton

That's not courage, that's moral cowardice of the worst kind!

[NJmaverick]

66. No cowardice is sitting here attacking a noble man

that is making real efforts to make a positive change in our nation.

[IndianaGreen]

84. I am sure some people think that Rick Warren is "a positive change in our nation."

To me, he is just another bigot, not much different from the crazies at Westboro Baptist Church, but better mannered.

[polichick]

2. He'll rescind if he really is courageous.

[ecstatic]

5. I think a quiet email campaign would have gotten better results

but now that the entire MSM has talked about it today, Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He won't be able to rescind.

[polichick]

8. He can do it if he cares about what's right.

[Critters2]

18. He should do what he did to Rev. Wright.

Oh, yeah. You can shit on progressives, but not on conservatives.

[dana_b]

65. good point!

and that's what it feels like. Gays and progressive issues are left out here and Wright was kicked to the curb.

Oh yeah, I forgot, he had a few gay people on his transition team. Well that just makes up for inviting a bigoted pastor to do the invocation and getting rid of your pastor of 20 years now doesn't it?!

[dflprincess]

6. "Looks like Obama will not be able to rescind "

If he really had courage he would.

It doesn't take courage to embrace bigotry.

[WeDidIt]

7. "commitment to model civility in America"

Because as everybody knows, homosexuality is no different from child abusing pedophiles and incestuous sex and it's model civility to point that out.

:eyes:

[musette_sf]

9. Warren is an egotistical bigoted gasbag

if Warren were REALLY a man of God, he would have declined the invitation. he would have told Obama that though he was flattered by the invitation, that the day was really for the whole country to celebrate, and not an opportunity for him to grandstand.

if Warren were Obama's real friend, he would say that his presence might put a chill on the day for Obama's gay and woman supporters, and that he respected Obama enough to not get in the way on such an important day.

but he's just an egotistical bigoted gasbag, out for himself and himself alone. he wouldn't recognize Jesus the Christ if he met him on the street.

[ecstatic]

12. Hmm... maybe we can get Warren to uninvite himself?

Maybe we should email him instead or is there a way to pressure him to not show?

[musette_sf]

21. not a chance

Warren hasn't heard yet that pride is a deadly sin.

[RaleighNCDUer]

80. So, IOW, Warren is NOT Obama's friend?

Funny, that's the same thing I've been saying through this whole ridiculous brouhaha.

And how many people will tune in to listen to Warren's 2 minutes, and stay to listen to Obama's 30 minutes?

[warrior1]

10. Warren:

'cept for them gays.

[EFerrari]

16. Weasel, nicely spewed.

[IndianaJones]

20. the guy is now mocking the self-styled liberal base of the party. bwaaahahahaha. nt.

[depakid]

29. Civilty to fundamentalists means quietly furthering their irrational agenda

[Neshanic]

35. Hi Pastor Warren here, painting your guy into a corner. No please, you are all too kind!

[ecstatic]

50. That's what he did. He is no true friend of Obama's that's for sure

He could have easily kept quiet.

[QC]

75. And he set up Obama at that phony "candidate forum," too.

It's getting to be like Charlie Brown and the football.

[Kdillard]

40. It seems all this outrage has just served to feed Rick Warrens ego.

Seriously why is this guy being given such undeserved attention.

[EFerrari]

51. No. Without the outcry, he would not be trying to spin this. n/t

[Kdillard]

64. Without this outcry he would not be given any attention at the moment.

It is ridiculous that this man should be receiving such publicity.

[EFerrari]

71. He has a well oiled machine. That's how he became successful. n/t

[AlCzervik]

41. What a bloated lying check collector he is, civility my ass.

[marylanddem]

47. I think he meant "heat from his FORMER base"

[dana_b]

68. well... I can see that not all of his base is upset

so that may be overstated but yeah, a lot of us are outraged. We voted for him so he's ours now but we are definitely not his.

[Unsane]

74. so will that make you a former DU poster?

[David Zephyr]

70. "take heat from his base" = the queers. What a fucking insult all around.

And this queer is not Obama's "base".

[IndianaGreen]

85. "model civility" from a man that compares homosexuality to incest and pedophilia

Frak his fat ass!

[Bluebear]

86. Take heat from his base = those loudmouthed faggots and dykes