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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:10 PM
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Rick Warren compares abortion to the Holocaust, attacks mainline churches and gay rights
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Rick Warren Not Satisfied with Making Abortions 'Rare'

Attempting only to make abortions “rare” is not much different than saving some of the Jews during the Holocaust when all could be saved, according to megachurch pastor Rick Warren.

“Of course I want to reduce the number of abortions,” Warren told Beliefnet Editor-in-Chief Steven Waldman when asked if he was going to work with the Obama administration to achieve an abortion reduction agenda or if he thinks that the effort is a charade.

“But to me it is kind of a charade in that people say ‘We believe abortions should be safe and rare,’” he added.

“Don’t tell me it should be rare. That’s like saying on the Holocaust, ‘Well, maybe we could save 20 percent of the Jewish people in Poland and Germany and get them out and we should be satisfied with that,’” Warren said. “I’m not satisfied with that. I want the Holocaust ended.”

http://christianpost.com/article/20081217/rick-warren-not-satisfied-with-making-abortions-rare_pageall.htm


Social Gospel is 'Marxism in Christian Clothing,' Says Warren

Best-selling author, social activist and megachurch pastor Rick Warren described the social gospel supported by many of the mainline churches as “Marxism in Christian clothing.”

“(W)e don’t need to care about redemption, the cross, repentance. All we need to do is redeem the social structures of society and if we make those social structures better the world will become a better place,” explained Warren as he described the beliefs behind those who support the "social gospel," in his interview with Beliefnet.com, which was posted Monday.

“Really in many ways it was just Marxism in Christian clothing,” he criticized. “(I)t was in vogue at that time that if we redeem society then man will automatically get better. It didn’t deal with the heart.”

Warren, recognized as one of the most socially active Christians in the world, did not hold back his criticism of those who call themselves Christians but seek to make the world a better place by focusing on the body – issues of poverty, disease, social justice and racial justice – and not the soul.

http://christianpost.com/article/20081216/social-gospel-is-marxism-in-christian-clothing-says-warren.htm

Ugandan Media: Rick Warren Denounces Gay Rights

Dr (Rick) Warren said that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right. "We shall not tolerate this aspect at all," Dr Warren said.

Warren was speaking in support of Ugandan Anglicans who intend to boycott the forthcoming Lambeth Conference, and this harsh rejection of tolerance for gays and lesbians may have serious consequences in a country where homosexuals face harrassment and and the threat of imprisonment.

Warren's comment is of a piece with his support for Martin Ssempa, the Ugandan evangelist who has been a keynote speaker at a Warren conference, and who has received US global AIDS prevention funds. As I wrote in August, Ssempa wants to ensure that homosexuality remains illegal and that gays and lesbians are identified in the public mind as sexual abusers. Ssempa calls for media censorship against opposing views and the dismissal of dissenting academics, and last summer he organised a rally with the theme "A Call for Action on Behalf of the Victims of Homosexuality", at which he railed against "molestation and sodomy."

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/54825/1882
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:21 AM
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1. :(
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:22 AM
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2. But we just need to REACH OUT to him and then everything will be OK! n/t
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:25 AM
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3. That last paragraph is especially frightening. nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:28 AM
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4. Yes it is. In such a violently homophobic place as Uganda, what Warren said
is quite literally an incitement to murder.

But please don't say anything about it, or the kool kiddies will accuse you of poutrage.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:05 PM
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5. Rick Warren is fat version of James Dobson
Obama may have a hang up about LGBTs.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:06 PM
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6. I don't think he necessarily hates us, but he certainly doesn't love us. n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:12 PM
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8. After eight years of **** and fundys in power we hand it back to them?
We need the tired old fundys and thier cultural wars in the Change admin?
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:07 PM
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7. Thank gawd he won't be a member of Obama's cabinet
Warren will have no say in how Obama will govern.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:30 PM
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9. It's so funny how many of you embraced Obama's message until he actually started to make good on it.
It's very simple... Obama's administration, for all of its strengths or flaws is going to be an experiment in inclusiveness rather than exclusion. It's going to be an experiment in halting the traditional back and forth where right wing ideologues seek to exclude all voices that don't march in lock step for so many years and then left wing ideologues seek to exclude all voices that don't march in lock step for so many years.

The problem is that a lot of people really don't want a way forward. They want dissent to be crushed into oblivion. What they really want is for people they disagree with to be so marginalized that they disappear - maybe leave the country, or are in some other way never heard from again.

The guy is wrong. But so are half of the American people. I don't think we should shut them out of politics - that simply guarantees that sooner are later they will reassemble the political impetus to take power once again. Instead I think we should build and inclusive dialogue where we take steps together. They may be smaller steps, and no doubt finding common ground will be challenging at times - but its the only way we stop the stupid CYCLE of right-left political bullshit.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:47 AM
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14. Thanks for making sense
n\t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:33 PM
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10. Obama ditched Reverend Wright for this guy?
It's hard to believe.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:35 AM
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12. no, he didn't. but hey, DU is the realm of making shit up
to fit your own narrative, so go to it.

You know perfectly well that Obama's rift with Wright has nothing to do with this.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:17 AM
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11. Well, he sure sounds like a reasonable man.
:eyes: :sarcasm:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:42 AM
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13. Warren cannot be defended, Obama picking Warren to speak cannot be defended
I don't care how many books he sold.

But by turning on ourselves here and elsewhere, we are doing not an ounce of good. I guarantee you Warren doesn't give a shit about what the internet left has to say. I hope all of us send our disapproval messages to Obama's team.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:49 AM
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15. Uganda
The first nation to have a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, as well as penalties for male homosexuality, including everthing from fines to life in prison.
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