I'm offended that Caroline Kennedy seems to think she can demand the Senate seat

[MoonRiver]

by stomping her rich and entitled little foot. But the real tragedy is, she probably can. :(

[MadBadger]

1. You should do standup

[EFerrari]

52. I book stand up. I don't see it. n/t

[saltpoint]

111. : )

[Fridays Child]

2. She stomped her foot and demanded it? I missed that.

:shrug:

[jhrobbins]

116. Really- she's just rich and famous and that's enough for people to be

suspicious. I, for one, think she will be a terrific senator!!!!

[Blarch]

163. How ?

Did she speak up about Bush ?

I don't recall her saying anything, and she isn't willing to speak up now, during the worst President ever...then she will never speak up for the people.

[Ozma]

167. She is NOT a politician, so you want her to act like a politician?

That makes as much sense as through the looking glass.

Speaking out about Bush directly is what you consider a requisite for a Democratic Senator to be chosen by the NY Governor?

[gcomeau]

3. And exactly how...

.... is she engaging in this "stomping" of her foot? By telling anyone she'd like to be in the running for it? Does that constitute foot-stomping-esque behavior or was there something I missed?

[democrattotheend]

4. Who said she demanded it?

I read that she expressed interest...where did you see anything about her DEMANDING it?

[JuniperLea]

5. WTF are you talking about?

This is how idiotic rumors get started.

[monmouth]

6. Good heavens. She is not stomping her foot, nor does she feel

entitled to anything. She's putting feelers out and talking to the appropriate people. She's as entitled as anyone else to take a shot at this. She's an accomplished and intelligent woman and has been in this environment, whether it be along the outside fringe or not, for all of her life.

It's one thing to be offended, just don't make shit up, okay?

[FrenchieCat]

7. I'm glad that she may get it.

Your negativity within your observation as to what she is doing is duly noted.
It makes you look like your are in turn stomping your foot and pouting,
based on your OP.

The real tragedy is the obvious tilt of your op. Some might even call it Flamebait, which is what I'll be calling it when I alert to admin; a transparent agenda. :eyes:

[Thrill]

8. WTF? Shes been very gracious in this. And I fail to hear NYers bitching when shes raising a ton

of money for their school system

[Cha]

9. Yeah, how'd that PUMA

site work out for ya? Talk about getting it wrong AGAIN.

[WI_DEM]

10. What demand is she making?

[zulchzulu]

11. She can stomp her foot on me anytime, baby!

OK... I thought I'd add to this puerile post...

[JuniperLea]

82. LOL!

Yours is funnier:)

[man4allcats]

12. Well it's a free country and will likely remain so now that

the reThugs have been given their walking papers. You can be offended if you want to.

[MoonRiver]

46. And for the record I am delighted, overjoyed and completely pumped up by this election!

:kick:

[DJ13]

13. I bet you had no problem when Hillary assumed she would win the Presidency

[LittleBlue]

14. Are you a Hillary supporter? Just curious

I don't believe she's demanded anything; the reports say she has asked to be considered for the position. A demand would be more like insisting with consequences if turned down, and she hasn't done that.

[MoonRiver]

16. And exactly what do YOU think is going on behind the scenes.

I've heard over and over that Unca Ted is lobbying for her 24/7. She's put her name out there so the governor can't just let the rumor of her interest slide by. There will be a price to pay, and everybody knows it, if he does.

And yes, I like Hillary. Do you?

[LittleBlue]

22. A dying uncle is supporting his niece to get elected?

Say it ain't so!

And no, I despise Hillary. I have no idea why she has to launch these stealth campaigns to torpedo others. Why can't she just lobby for her choice behind the scenes instead of sending proxies like Weiner to trash her.

Why are we trashing a progressive seeking office?

[MoonRiver]

24. Please, you are bordering on the absurd.

I haven't even contributed to Hillary since she lost the nomination. I HAVE contributed to and voted for Obama. I just don't like the rich entitled few, with even fewer bonifides, to think they can grab power whenever the fancy grabs them.

[LittleBlue]

31. Your concern is fine. I just always wondered what a bonifide actually is

We always considered this notion of "accomplishments" as a measuring stick for electing people to higher office. Lately though, those accomplishments (like passing legislation) seem to be less about helping people and more about self-aggrandizement. Any politician in office already has political debts.

I like Caroline because she seems to be progressive, charitable, and wise (for supporting Obama). The Kennedy family as a whole is rich, but they have always been fighting for the less fortunate.

[jhrobbins]

118. EVERYTHING about Caroline Kennedy speaks Integrity!

[LisaM]

63. Bona fides. n/t

[SoxFan]

180. Like an Illinoisan-turned-Arkansan running for senate in NY based on her connections?

[onenote]

28. and, as someone who supported Hillary getting that seat in 2000, I have no problem with Caroline

getting it now.

I don't recall that Hillary stomped her little entitled foot to demand that Democratic party leaders push aside potential candidates, such as Nita Lowey, and made it clear that they wanted HRC and they didn't want a primary fight either.

Like I said, I supported Hillary in 2000 because I felt she'd was the most electable and would have the most immediate impact -- because of her name and connections. I feel the same way about Caroline Kennedy.

[Hieronymus]

53. Lots of you Hillary supporters are against Caroline Kennedy...grow up.

[MoonRiver]

81. You need to grow up sonny.

This has nothing to do with Hillary. I voted for Obama. I'm delighted about what he's done with his cabinet and looking forward to the reconstruction of our country, which * has destroyed.

This is about a privileged and entitled rich girl thinking she can just smile and wink, and get a Senate seat.

[TheWraith]

87. People said the same thing about Hillary when she ran on the grounds of being First Lady.

Something tells me you'd have had a shit fit about that, but it's okay for you to do it.

Oh, and by the way, your post is quite insulting to Caroline Kennedy. I'm no particular fan of dynasties, but you're conspicuously echoing the same "big name, no substance" talking points that some of our NY congressional delegation is using.

[Ozma]

169. WTF? "privileged and entitled rich girl"???

Why don't you just say what you really think?

You don't like her, but your "privileged and entitled rich girl" is so far off the mark, not to mention demeaning to a woman of about 50 years old.

Yes, she has some good fortune, but she also has "character" and intelligence, and honesty, and worldwide fame. There's nothing wrong with the state of New York being represented by that type of person for the next two years.

[LostinVA]

93. There are no "Hillary Supporters" -- YOU need to grow up and realize the Primary ended months ago

[Hieronymus]

97. UH, you still have your I LOVE HILLARY on your post...

[Marrah_G]

165. Bullshit- The primary is over

Caroline is a great pick.

People for and against her supported all sorts of candidates in the primary.

Stop spewing your offensive and nasty insinuations.

[Rockholm]

177. And alot of you Obama "supporters" are displaced jerks

and borderline FReepers out to stay relevant. I am a Hillary supporter who supports Caroline.

[TheWraith]

84. You've heard wrong.

Ted Kennedy openly said a week ago or so that he hasn't spoken to Paterson about the Senate seat at all.

And by the way, it was Paterson who first confirmed that he and her had talked about it.

[ClarkUSA]

LOL... need you ask?

The OP rarely visits... hmm, I wonder where he/she came from to grace us with this anti-Kennedy attack?

Meow. Meow.

[LostinVA]

92. What in the world does Hillary Clinton have to do with this?

NOTHING.

The way people on her stretch.

[Rockholm]

176. I am a Hillary supporter...and a Kennedy supporter.

Why must you people keep starting this shit? Enough already. The MSM keeps fanning the flames and you all keeping making something out of nothing.

[countingbluecars]

15. There's famebait and then there's flamebait. n/t

[MoonRiver]

18. And then there's blind lemmings.

[countingbluecars]

29. And then there are people who just make things up.

[polichick]

17. Here's an idea: Hillary can keep her precious Senate seat and Caroline can be SoS.

[MoonRiver]

21. How brilliant.

Unfortunately, your genius is not shared by President-Elect Obama. :shrug:

[polichick]

34. He may get there yet if the Clinton camp doesn't clam up about someone he is close to.

[polmaven]

170. Please point out to me

where "the Clinton camp" has expressed ANY opinion, one way or another! There IS NO "Clinton camp". She is now a part of the Obama camp, and will be a part of the Obama administration.

Perhaps you need to take a cue from the President Elect, as well as from the Secretary of State designate and GET OVER THE PRIMARIES!!!!!

[polichick]

172. There will be a "Clinton Camp" until Hillary and Bill are done with politics...

Thankfully, Obama is not naive enough to think the Clinton machine has been disassembled just because she is SoS, but thanks for the laugh. :rofl:

[polmaven]

174. First, you still have not

pointed out where the "Clinton camp" has expressed an opinion. Second, a Clinton camp may be reestablished in the future, but for now, Hillary Clinton is part of the Obama administration, and only the hardcore HH will continue to try to undermine her effectiveness.

[polichick]

179. If there wasn't a Clinton camp, Hillary couldn't have called the Caroline bashers off as she did...

And nobody is trying to undermine her effectiveness ~ how ridiculous.

[City Lights]

19. I haven't seen her demand anything.

Nor have I seen her "stomp her rich and entitled little foot."

Thanks for the drama though. DU wouldn't be the same without it. :eyes:

[hlthe2b]

20. I'm offended that I'm not up for consideration despite my demands...

And, I stomped my (very non-rich), but still very entitled little foot. The real tragedy, though, is what you all are missing if I can't. :(













:sarcasm:

[verges]

113. Have you tried calling the

Gov's office and letting him know your interested?

[onenote]

23. did jesse jackson III stomp his entitled little foot when he sought the Illinois seat?

[MoonRiver]

26. So, I'm confused.

Do you think it is aok to grab power based on one's family name? I don't. But maybe Jesse Jackson III worked at least a little bit for his privilege. I don't know much about him, but just dealing with American racism would put him in a different category from the Kennedys.

[onenote]

35. If I start listing all of the American politicians that have gotten their start due to their name

we'll be here all day.

Here's a short list of people who didn't have a lot to "overcome": Al Gore, Evan Bayh, Beau Biden, John Dingell, Russ Carnahan, Doris Matsui, Mary Landrieu.

Yes, most of them were elected. But would they have gotten elected (or even nominated) but for their name? Take Al Gore -- he was in law school when the House seat once held by his father suddenly opened up. He dropped out of school and ran and, in a multicandidate race, eked out the narrowest of victories with a whopping 32 percent of the vote. Thus started a very good career in public service -- one that never would've happened if his name was anything other than Al Gore.

[Rockholm]

178. You forgot our dear current pResident Bush.

[Fridays Child]

42. Being a victim of racism is no more qualification for Congress than is...

...being a P.O.W. a qualification for the presidency.

[MoonRiver]

44. Of course not. But it gives you a hell of a lot less power.

In fact I think it's usually a negative correlation.

[Fridays Child]

50. He's a member of a very powerful family.

The comparison to the Kennedys is valid.

[MoonRiver]

79. I don't agree.

[demwing]

59. You should have stopped with your subject line

But you did not, so please SHOW us (not insinuate) that Kennedy is making a "power grap based on one's family name."

If you can't prove it, you're circulating a bitchy little rumor, and you degrade yourself by doing so.

[JuniperLea]

86. Oh, what bullshit!

How does dealing with racism make you any more qualified than someone who's studied or practiced law all of her adult life?

Caroline is working hard for her privilege too... unfortunately there are a lot of people out there with their heads up their asses who are bigoted against her because of her family name... a family who has done a lot for Democrats, and for black people.

[verges]

114. So nobody named Kennedy can ever seek

office again?

[S_E_Fudd]

25. Yeah I guess I missed that...

Do you think the other potential picks in New York are just sitting by their phone waiting for a call...they are campaigning for it just as hard as Caroline is I am sure.

She's a Kennedy so she gets more pub, but she ain't doin anything different than any other candidate...

[MoonRiver]

30. " but she ain't doin anything different than any other candidate"

And you know this, based on.......?

[S_E_Fudd]

32. How politicians act...

And if proof is what you require, why so trusting of the MSM...have they presented proof? From what I read its mostly heresay...

[nosillies]

47. And you know she's stomping her foot, based on...?

You've seen her throw a spoiled little rich girl tantrum in person?

[MoonRiver]

89. Do you have any comprehension of the term "metaphor?"

Me thinks not. :eyes:

[nosillies]

91. Methinks you have little comprehension of the true meaning of my comment,

and you probably don't fully understand metaphor, either.

You do, however, have hyperbole down pat.

And for future reference, don't try to school an English major and published, working writer on figures of speech.

You should also note that methinks is one word, not two.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cali]

33. you know, I'm not for Caroline Kennedy being appointed to the Senate

but I'm offended by your nasty and untrue characterization of her.

[AlinPA]

36. Demanding the Senate seat? Stomping her foot? What the hell are you talking about?

It's odd for you to say that, at first I thought you forgot the sarcasm sticker.

[last1standing]

37. Do you live in New York?

I'm not trying to bash or shut you down, I'm asking because I think this is a matter for New Yorkers to decide and not those of us who are from other states. If you live in the state (you've not disclosed that in your profile), then I think you have a legitimate stake in this and should make sure your views are heard by the Governor. If not, then I think you should probably leave it to those who actually live there.

[DrZeeLit]

38. Any proof of the footstomping demand or are you using stereotype as truth these days?

[Faygo Kid]

39. Your concern is noted. Had she supported Hillary, you would have been on her bandwagon.

It never ends around here.

How obvious.

[MoonRiver]

58. I did not mention Hillary and haven't even thought about that connection.

You obviously have a neverending hostility about people who were not 100% of the time Obama supporters. :wtf:

I truly find it offensive that a privileged class can just expect political positions. WTF are we, a monarchy?

You, however, must somehow find the idea of an American monarchy acceptable. Or so it seems.

[damntexdem]

40. Go Caroline!

I hope she gets the seat.

I haven't noted any foot stomping, though.

[Phx_Dem]

41. Sounds like something you just made up.

[AspenRose]

43. Wow, that's some serious bitterness there.

The same kind of bitterness I saw on display against Hillary during the primaries.

Those who supported HRC would (correctly) state that this is Democratic Underground, HRC is a good Democrat, and those who support her should be able to do so without being subjected to irresponsible over-the-top ugliness.

Now: Do you see where I'm going with this? :think:

Edit:
OK, since you don't get it, allow me to spell it out, genius. And while you're at it, get a brace for that knee jerking around. That can't feel good.

During the primaries, the HRC supporters were right. And now, this time, the Caroline supporters are right: This is Democratic Underground and Caroline Kennedy is a good Democrat. Those who support her run should be allowed to support her without being subjected to irresponsible over-the-top ugliness which has no basis in fact.

Like what's in your OP, for example.

Get it now?

[MoonRiver]

45. No, I think you are in fantasy land.

I voted for and contributed to Obama. Yes, I was originally a Hillary supporter. That's where your fairytale's credibility ends.

[AspenRose]

60. Then based on the responses in this thread I'm in very good company

And feel so honored to be in said company with other citizens of fairytale land. :eyes:

And you seemed to miss I was SUPPORTING Hillary supporters in my post.

Just like I support Caroline supporters.

[EFerrari]

61. The real difference is that Caroline's husband had never been the leader

of the Democratic party, isn't it?

It's not like she's trying to capitalize on her husband's success or power within the party. It's not like she claims credit for his achievements or anything. Her accomplishments are her own although her name indicates a long history of liberal values and service.

Damn, you, Caroline!

[AspenRose]

62. Amazing, isn't it?

YOU get it.

[Hieronymus]

48. Someone needs a nap.

[MoonRiver]

51. Must be you. eom

[EFerrari]

49. I'm seriously offended that someone who has spent a lot of her adult life

working for social justice can be so disrespected.

Maybe she should have been off working for a HEDGE FUND or SHOPPING or, I dunno, marrying a successful politician. That would have shown us.

[ecstatic]

54. I finally understand why Clintonites are bitter about this

It was explained today...on Hardball I think. Caroline really did have a huge impact on the primaries early on. It wasn't until she and Ted made that thoughtful endorsement that I started to have hope that Obama could actually win. And not only that, but she spoke about how beautiful Obama's Inauguration ceremony would be (if I recall correctly). That changed my entire outlook on the race at that point.

It even had an impact on some DUers http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4247815

[ShortnFiery]

108. It's not just the Clintonites. Some of us who have been Obama supporters from the onset do NOT

want political royalty to be pushed to the front of the line. There are many people who have held office and are MORE QUALIFIED.

No more Clintons, Bushes or Kennedys in high office - no more poltical elites who have no damn idea what it's like to be middle class much less struggling to make ends meet ... ENOUGH! :thumbsdown:

[me b zola]

150. Ahem. Perhaps you do not understand the family committment to the working class

It is a revolutionary world we live in. Governments repress their people; and millions are trapped in poverty while the nation grows rich; and wealth is lavished on armaments.

For the fortunate among us, there is the temptation to follow the easy and familiar paths of personal ambition and financial success so grandly spread before those who enjoy the privilege of education. But that is not the road history has marked for us.

The future does not belong to those who are content with today, apathetic toward common problems and their fellow man alike. Rather it will belong to those who can blend vision, reason and courage in a personal commitment to the ideals and great enterprises of American society.

-Robert F. Kennedy-




Yeah, look at all of them rich bastids whom adored a Kennedy:

[Shakespeare]

55. Expressing interest in pursuing the seat is hardly the same as demanding it.

But don't let a little hyperbole slow you down. :eyes:

[xxqqqzme]

56. Demanded???

I wasn't aware she DEMANDED appointment to the senate seat. Demands are so graceless. Her DEMANDS in the past have been hard to stomach and this one, just really, is over the top. And stomping her foot as well. Good heavens. I'd be offended as well, if your accusations had ANY credibility.

[mwei924]

57. She's just throwing her hat in the ring. I don't see any demanding.

Rich people can be good politicians too. JFK and Bobby were helped a lot by the influence of their rich dad.

[JimGinPA]

64. I Guess You'd Really Be Offended At What I Think About Your OP Then

:eyes:

[Midlodemocrat]

65. Count me in on that opinion.

:eyes:

[Sebastian Doyle]

66. I'm offended that PUMAs who posted despicable slander against this party are allowed to post here.

Guess things are tough all over :shrug:

[MoonRiver]

67. Maybe Skinner is less offended by people who voted for Obama, contributed to him and to DU.

Guess you're not feeling any love. :shrug:

[Sebastian Doyle]

72. So what made you change your mind and vote for Obama?

After all the posts over at Crappy Troll Hill that said things like "Me and Mine will NEVER vote for Zero".

Divine intervention? O8)

[MoonRiver]

74. Palin.

[MadBadger]

88. You had to wait that long?

Pathetic

[Barrymores Ghost]

68. Allow me to go on record to say your OP is the shallowest, shrillest load of B.S. of the day.

You must have needed a winch, a block and tackle and a crowbar to pry that whopper out of your ass.

[MoonRiver]

69. Thank you for the kick.

But you are a truly crude and rude dude, or dudette, as the case may be.

[Barrymores Ghost]

71. Kicking again because I forget to mention "petty," "insipid," and "mind-numbingly moranic."

That is all.

[MoonRiver]

73. Thanks again.

And I do believe in projection. However, yours is particularly uninspired. :boring:

[Barrymores Ghost]

75. And yet, you can't resist.

:silly:

You truly do live up to your profile comment.

[MoonRiver]

76. Whatever irrelevant argument you choose to use, it's still, well, irrelevant.

[Barrymores Ghost]

77. *Ding! Ding!*

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MoonRiver]

78. OK, I give up. You win.

:)

[stillcool]

70. I'm offended that your offended...

[MoonRiver]

85. I think you must have meant:

YOU'RE offended.

[dionysus]

80. some bitter dead-ender needs banky

:rofl:

[NashVegas]

83. I Doubt Very Much She Has to Demand Anything

Strictly speaking.

I have a pretty good idea that all she has to do is lay out a clear case, and I'm of the mind she can.

[demwing]

90. Puhleeease! Get Over it! SOMEONE has to be appointed.

If Kennedy tried to override an election, I'd get it. But this appointment will be given, Kennedy or no Kennedy. Wait till there's some real news before you resort to reporting your tabloid sleaze.

[karynnj]

94. Sorry, but that is the antithesis of who Caroline Kennedy is

The other thing is that every poll I have seen - and I've seen 3 all have CK as the leading choice of NY voters by a big margin.

[saltpoint]

95. She is the daughter of an intelligent and dedicated man.

And is herself intelligent and dedicated.

No Constitutional impediments block her from the job.

Her record of public service is IMO unassailable.

She is an attorney.

Her vote would bolster Obama's ideologic and political reforms.

She could hold the seat blue for as long as she likes.

She polls very strongly among New York voters for the appointment.

I say if Paterson so deems, CKS should serve, and I would be delighted to see it.

[Rowdyboy]

102. Why would anyone bother saying anything after you have spoken?

Concise, cogent, eloquent and rational. I always love your posts and this one is certainly no exception. I think Caroline would make an exceptional public servant, always realizing she carries the potential for greatness.

[saltpoint]

105. Rowdyboy, hi to you, and happy December, and if the chance does

not come before any of the year's end holidays, I hope yours are full of free time and good people and things that matter.

Also I love the Wilde quotation in your personal reference page. It brings to mind Bush and the shoe.

Your own posts are clear and true, and I love that you're casting such a keen eye on the rest of the country from your rural vantage point. Don't stop doing that.

[Rowdyboy]

137. Don't you love Wilde? He simply lived in the wrong time.....what a difference 100 years makes....

Thanks for your kind words. What a glorious 4 years we have to look forward to. How very different than my mood 4 or 8 years ago. Now I remember what "hope" feels like.

Just imagine, a Nobel prize winning scientist in charge of the Department of Energy (I'll bet he even believe in evolution!). Whatever will they think of next?

Peace.....

[Grateful for Hope]

96. What I think

is that she is merely trying to keep the Kennedy tradition in the Senate alive. After all, her uncle is quite ill.

[Ozma]

171. A woman of her intelligence and options in life....

does not say she is interested in the US Senate seat from NY without knowing how much of a hard job that would be.

She doesn't do things on a whim, in the same way some people post around here.

[Grateful for Hope]

184. I think she has a pretty good idea of how hard a job this would be

Given her significant intelligence, I am quite sure this is no "whim".

[AtomicKitten]

98. Your ungracious and flat-out convoluted view of Caroline Kennedy

speaks more about your internal bitterness having gone awry than anything else.

[elkston]

99. Caroline has a shimmering, regal presence.

It is difficult to spurn her demands. If she wants the seat, she may have it.

[ShortnFiery]

106. By Gawd, YES! It's Caroline's BIRTHRIGHT! Don't us peons know to defer to royalty?

:sarcasm:

[TexasObserver]

100. Well, yours IS the opinion is the world was waiting to hear.

No one cares, but it's great to know where you come down.

I suspect the only foot stomping you're hearing is your own.

[Rowdyboy]

101. You are WAYYY to easily offended....New York voters get the final say and they'll love her!

But you know already that don't you.....

You just don't like it. Too bad.

[jonmiller74]

103. Why are we turning on each other already?

We just fought long and hard for this victory. He's not even in office yet, and what I presume are democrats have degraded to this level of animosity. Something is very wrong here.

[ShortnFiery]

104. You got that right!

These positions should always be voted on ... otherwise there's too much temptation to defer to "political royalty's input" (HRC's) or anoint someone from a "political royal family" (Caroline Kennedy).

Instead of encouraging CRONYISM by leaving it up to the sitting Governor to appoint the Senate Seat, HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION? :thumbsup:

[ProSense]

112. A special election will cost tens of millions of dollars, most will say worth the money invested

Here's the problem with this proposed solution. In a primary, Caroline would most likely win as she is by far the favorite (by 20 points). Then the special election will be between Caroline Kennedy and a Republican, possibly Peter King.

The outcome will likely be that Caroline is elected.

I believe she will be appointed and will run and win in 2010.

[ShortnFiery]

115. This is appauling ... the whole system, especially "The Senate" is up for sale.

I am disgusted with "political royalty." We need new blood NOT the warmed over children and kin of former politicians. :grr: :nuke:

[saltpoint]

117. If you represent the new blood component, I'm for the old blood.

You've been spewing against "dynasties" for almost forever on these boards.

One potential Kennedy appointment and you start the next Chicago fire.

If you have an alternative appointment, who knows but that Gov. Paterson might make that very pick.

And who knows but that he won't choose CKS?

I say a progressive woman who is tough, smart, and compassionate is exactly what's needed in the 111th Congress, and as many of them as we can find.

[ShortnFiery]

120. Oh cut it out.

I'm 50 years old and I remember the bullshit of "Jackie O" ... no I don't like most RICH because they have no clue how the rest of us must struggle to get by. It's all a big game to "political royals." FUCK THEM! :nuke:

[saltpoint]

121. You do seem quite explosive on the subject.

[ShortnFiery]

127. Yes because guess what's coming if people are so easily duped: President Jeb Bush?

Yes, I think that this TREND is getting a little out of hand.

Perhaps, just perhaps if we can push through "public financing" of campaigns the playing field can be leveled enough that we don't have to recycle through all these old and worn out family dynasties for candidates. :shrug:

[saltpoint]

133. It's your deal to keep hawking the dynasty argument

against the appointment of demonstrably capable candidates, a progressive and dedicated woman in this case.

But it isn't getting very far because you have no compelling, or legal, case against the appointment of anyone on the basis of bloodline or income.

[ShortnFiery]

141. Uh, because both nepotism, Uncle Teddy + Cronyism, Mayor Bloomberg is at play. eom

[saltpoint]

143. I'm pretty sure lots of folks have uncles. And aunts.

And mayors.

Really. You could call people up and ask them.

[ProSense]

122. Do you live in NY?

Why are you so up in arms about this? Just spewing about royalty doesn't make the fact that she is a viable candidate go away.

[ProSense]

119. New Yorkers will decided this.

They like Caroline. She has what it takes. The "new blood" thing is a bogus argument. There are some new people in the Senate whose voting records haven't been to my taste. I believe she is a hell of a lot more progressive than some of them.

[ShortnFiery]

123. Caroline has NO IDEA how middle class, much less working class people live.

You folks WANT to be ruled by nobility. Damn, lambs to the slaughter. :(

[saltpoint]

124. It's my best guess that you don't know

doo-doo about what Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg thinks and knows.

If you have express examples of how she has betrayed the common good and the public trust, do share them.

[ShortnFiery]

129. She's been pushed to the front of the line with no legislative experience: Nepotism & Cronyism. eom

[saltpoint]

131. The Constitution matters. CKS meets all criteria.

[ShortnFiery]

135. Do realize that "Camelot" was a FANTASY. She's pushed in front of more qualified people

because we don't have public financing of campaigns and her "name recognition" is, in these corrupt times, ALL POWERFUL.

[saltpoint]

136. Then here is your opportunity to speak in behalf of one of those

you'd prefer get the nod instead.

[ShortnFiery]

139. EVERYONE ELSE in contention has had "legislative experience" - but you know that, don't you? eom

[saltpoint]

142. No Constitutional impediments block Paterson from appointing

CKS or any other legally qualified soul to that post.

Again, if you have an alternative suggestion, let's hear it.

[ShortnFiery]

145. Doesn't make it right by "the people" - there should be a special election. eom

[saltpoint]

147. Sorry, you don't write the New York State Constitution.

Seriously. It's not your call. It's Paterson's.

His State Constitution confers the power to him to make this appointment as he sees fit.

The person he selects must meet U.S. Constitutional qualifications.

[ProSense]

125. That's such nonsense. How do you know that?

You are reaching for the wealthy have no clue about how middle class and poor people live argument. Maybe New Yorkers should have kicked FDR to the curb?

[saltpoint]

126. Definitely! That damn FDR is just the blood relation of another, earlier

Roosevelt. All hat and no cattle.

Just another rich guy born into privilege and plenty of dough.

What could HE possibly know about the working class?

- - - -



:hi: :thumbsup:

[ShortnFiery]

128. That was THEN and this is NOW. eom

[saltpoint]

130. As Janis Joplin said, and Janis would know, "It's all the same friggin' day,

baby."

[ShortnFiery]

132. Janis Joplin would be on "the people's" side not some tired out old fantasy about

how the filthy rich really do give a damn about us "little people."

That dog won't hunt.

[saltpoint]

134. I find it amusing that you know the minds of BOTH Caroline Kennedy AND

Janis Joplin.

That's truly awesome.

[ShortnFiery]

138. I find it hilarious that you would quote Janis Joplin in this instance. Given the way she lived

and the songs that she wrote ... well, in addition to not getting that Mercedes Benz, I don't think she'd be "wowed" by dreams of "political royalty" saving the day for the democratic party.

Remember Jebbie and George P. are waiting in the wings? ... this Dynasty crap goes both ways. :evilgrin:

[saltpoint]

140. Janis Joplin was mad at Ike, who died the week she was going to be

on the cover of NEWSWEEK.

Certainly not the most political observation ever made, but Janis was true to herself with it, nevertheless. It would have exicted much comment back in her native Port Arthur.

As other DUers have posted, there is no legacy of service in the Bush line because none was at its source.

The story is demonstrably different with the Kennedys.

[ShortnFiery]

144. Please, it's all about money and power and being part of political nobility - Bushites qualify. eom

[saltpoint]

146. Sorry, the gleaming example of FDR wipes you out from the word go.

[ShortnFiery]

151. FDR still had to be "cattle-prodded" by the people. Again, it would not work now.

The FILTHY-RICH can just leave the country if things get too rough. Until then, we will keep the "illusion" of a functioning democratic republic. Family dynasties, the filthy rich and political insiders should do just fine to keep the Corporate Status Quo. Princess Caroline will not let you down in that respect because she's fully signed on with being OUT OF TOUCH with the average American worker. Bravo. :eyes:

[saltpoint]

152. Gosh, you're awful stingy about Franklin Roosevelt.

Awful, awful stingy.

[cooolandrew]

107. The Kennedys have done tons for American people and charity worldwide she seems a fine selection

to me. It wouldn't even surprise me if Hillary actually supports her appointment.

[ShortnFiery]

110. That's called *Nepotism* and it is deplorable.

:thumbsdown:

[SoxFan]

181. And Hillary being handed the senate nomination in 2000 was what exactly?

[Mid_FL_voter]

109. She would make an excellent choice

Smart, progressive, connected, and can raise the necessary funds for 2010 and beyond.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

148. AHEM...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19990604/ai_n14230372

The first hint that Mrs Clinton's four months of cogitation were at an end came early yesterday afternoon when Nita Lowey, the New York Congresswoman who had planned to run for the Senate, announced that she would run for re-election to the House instead. Mrs Clinton had promised that she would talk to Ms Lowey before making her intentions known. In the event, Ms Lowey called her to clear her way. A spokesman for Ms Lowey said she had told Mrs Clinton that she had decided to seek re-election to the House of Representatives in 2000 because "it was clear to her that the First Lady was running". The statement said that "she wished the First Lady well and would support her candidacy and do everything she could to help elect her to the Senate".

[Jennicut]

149. This is how Senate appts. get done all the time, someone wants it, asks for it and gets it

Or am I missing something? perhaps Senate appts. suck in general.

[backscatter712]

153. Welcome to politics. In order to get anywhere, you have to toot your own horn.

That's how you do it. To get elected, you have to make lots of calls to donors, asking them for money. You've got to get used to the fine art of explicitly asking people to do stuff for you.

[sohndrsmith]

154. Shirley, you're not series...

Should I assume that you've checked her credentials and found them insufficient - and if so, how and why?

[donheld]

155. Too bad

[sohndrsmith]

156. Please elucidate: Where and when did the foot stomping occur? and

why (after researching her credentials,which I'm sure you've done) is this more important than her resume?

I can't follow your logic, please forgive me...

[CakeGrrl]

157. Why are panties in such a twist over CK's possible appointment?

If she gets it, and I'm fine if she does, the people of New York can determine if they want her to continue in the Senate in 2010.

Or is THAT the problem? Once she gets her foot in the door, she may actually become - GASP! - effective and, dare we say, POPULAR?

What is the big deal that a midterm election can't correct if she isn't cutting it?

[sohndrsmith]

158. It can't be coming from Clinton supporters, I'm guessing...

...or did I just commit DU sepukku by saying that? Well, there you go. I welcome a reasoned argument, but I may not get one : )

[sohndrsmith]

159. I'm sure you were equally offended that Paterson became governor by default, not election, no? n/t

[sohndrsmith]

160. I'm sure you were equally offended that Paterson became governor by default, not election, no? n/t

[pecwae]

161. I don't know that she demanded it,

but all she needed to do was express interest and somehow she 'deserves' it. I'm not offended, however, I'm mildly surprised at the hypocrisy about political dynasty here.

[dkf]

162. NYers prefer Caroline Kennedy over the rest of the field.

She's the people's choice.

[davidpdx]

164. Where is the proof of the fact that she demaned the NY Senate seat

"stopming her rich and entitled little foot"?

I'm waiting......

[mzmolly]

166. I didn't see any demands.

:shrug:

[Alter Ego]

168. Fran Drescher for Senate.

[EFerrari]

173. Anything that will keep her off of teevee.

[Mother Of Four]

175. Honestly? The only foot stomping I see here is yours.

Obama: "She's one of the smartest, most engaging, wise people I know," the presumptive Democratic nominee said. "She has become a very dear friend. I trust her."

Good enough for me, though I have no dog in this fight as I'm in NC.


Link to article with the quote. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-26-caroline_N.htm

[Citizen_Penn]

182. Yawn.

Bored by this silly post.

[Beacool]

183. I have nothing to add, but it was a good read.

LOL!!!!! :7

:popcorn: