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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:03 AM
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Fuck you Joe Scarborough. You're a Fuckin Scumbag.
I'm first to say it today.

I think I just said Fuck you you motherfucker, to my TV screen like ten times in a row.

I'm sure I wont be the last.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:05 AM
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1. Nominated.
That he is.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:05 AM
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2. Yeah he's a fucker
Always something with this guy.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:12 AM
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3. But here you are talking about him...
I think he is doing a good job of getting publicity.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:22 AM
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57. so is Blago for that matter.
nt
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:25 AM
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4. ya know Joe
I think we should investigate how an intern was found dead in your office...
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:33 AM
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5. So basically Joe has gotten the RW download. The GOP is SHOWING the reason they can NOT be trusted..
...EVER. Because of the culture of the RW a good of them have to be smoked out and choked out not worked with
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:45 AM
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6. So stop watching the crap
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:33 AM
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7. Fuck him Into Infinity
I see that he's trying to connect Obama to the soon-to-be ex-governor of Illinois. What a turd-sniffing, pissbag, intern-killing, piece of shit! Everybody e-mail this fucking show with the subject line "Laurie Klaustis", and let him squirm.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:48 AM
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11. wow, "Lori Klausutis" doesn't exist in wikipedia.
found this from a google search:

A Death in the Congressman's Office
Does Anybody in the Press Care About Lori Klausutis?

"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

The initial reports from the Medical Examiner's office denied any trauma to the body that would indicate cause of death. But Berkland acknowledged on Monday, August 6th, that Lori had sustained a "scratch and a bruise" on her head and that his original denials were to prevent undue speculation about the cause of death. "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury", he said.

And so, what we have here is the death of a healthy young woman who died of a blow to the head and a lie from the Medical Director's office about this blow which was quite obvious to the naked eye. They then had to go search for some reason why she might have "fallen" and hit her head. And they have found an "undiagnosed cardiac arrhythmia". But a number of questions remain to be answered, and we have requested opinions from Dr. Nelson, the Chairman of the Medical Examiners Commission.

A recent check of the Young Republican's web site found no mention of Lori or her contributions, nor any tribute to her memory nor comments about her passing. In fact, you will find no mention of her at all. If you go to The Pensacola News Journal's online pages, one of the few papers that actually covered the story, and search the site for "Klausutis" you will come up empty, even though the same search will pull up numerous stories matching "Scarborough". It seems as though someone wants to erase all traces of Lori Klausutis from the record and bury the story with her.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html






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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:07 AM
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16. sickening
Which Republican U.S. Congressman had a dead aide found in his office while the media was hounding Democrat U.S. Congressman Gary Condit about his missing ex-intern, Chandra Levy?


http://www.allhatnocattle.net/congressman_joe_scarborough.htm


Fun to google

Joe Scarborough Lori Klausutis

esp after learning how much effort he put into scrubbing the internet of any mention of this woman

I'd sure hate for him to see her name pop up on google searches next to his, due to frequency of search. Hmm...
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:57 AM
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50. when you type "Joe Scarborough" into Google it recommends "Joe Scarborough dead intern"
Of course it's not as popular as "joe scarborough swear" or "joe scarborough fuck"
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:45 AM
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38. Wikipedia used to have an article about her
The right-wingers made a sustained assault to get the article deleted, and on their third try, they succeeded. See the .

We really need more progressives to help out on Wikipedia. I know it's easier to preach to the choir here on DU, but if you're willing to write in a neutral way, you can do a lot of good over there.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:54 PM
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63. That's a good idea
:thumbsup:
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Edith Ann Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:10 PM
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65. LK
I forgot. Maybe he needs to be investigated again until hell won't have him or we know the truth. God knows he deserves to be treated the way he treats others.
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Edith Ann Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:07 PM
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64. LK
Google (I use Yahoo) her name and an article will come up about a man who is trying to or did investigate the death. I've only vaguely heard about it but we sure heard a lot about Chandra Levy. Remember there is no statue of limitations on murder. This may have been manslaughter and conspiracy. There is a limit on those charges. She is also mentioned under a subtitle of "Controversy" in Wikipedia under Joe Scarborough.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:49 PM
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44. So when did the Freedom of Information Act pass and what could be requested???
Maybe it's time to remind Joe of his own not so sparkly past...

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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:01 AM
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28. To infinity and BEYOND!
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:16 AM
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31. You couldn't be more wrong
he's a turd-killing, piss-sniffing, piece of dead intern fuckbag.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:29 PM
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43. Wow, I Stand Corrected!
Thanks!:patriot:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:39 AM
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8. Why do you watch him????
If everyone who complains about him would just stop watching him...maybe his show would be cancelled. Let him go to FOX where he will be among his own.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:56 AM
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12. Yeah, I think I watched twice before the election and regretted it both times.

My time is worth too much to waste with the likes of him.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:40 AM
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9. So what did he do/say now? n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:44 AM
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10. Harold Ford Just Told him That Connecting the PE Obama To This IS WRONG
scarface has been doing this all morning, and mikabitch keeps spewing her "doubt" that they weren't connected. Fuck her too.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:56 AM
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13. The ONE GUY we got to fix this horrible Problem facing the Nation/Planet
and they wanna take him down...taint him, weaken him...ruin his odds....

WTF are they smoking?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:58 AM
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14. Oh how nice of the figurative "House Negro" of this show to speak up to this "Southern Man."
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 08:06 AM by ShortnFiery
p.s. all you have to do to TURN "Mika Mouse" is say she's pretty. Those GOP and DLC Blacks sure do KNOW their place, aye? :wow: Mika serves as Joe's TV dedicated and long suffering "abused wife" ... oh, and Willy's is Joe's figurative "bastard son" who lives in the basement. :crazy: :puke:

Come on over to CSPAN in the mornings? Yes, the water's fine save for a few bat shit crazy right wingers. :evilgrin:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:33 AM
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35. Or, watch Amy's hour of DemocracyNow! She's sometimes hard on Democrats
but she's usually ahead of the curve on important stories.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:25 PM
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42. So it begins.
I was up early this morning and I happened to catch a rerun of AC360. The graphic they had showed Obama, the U.S. Senate seal, and the phrase "Selling His Seat?" There was NO reason, other than yellow journalism or scandal-sheet mentality, to link Obama to what is going on in this way. Obama happens to hold the seat. End of involvement.

Look for ALL of this to gain traction and take on a life of its own, especially with those who can't or won't be bothered with facts, or those who are just too lazy and are all too glad to sit back and look at the pictures and let the media tell them what to think.

I was afraid this would happen as soon as the story broke. Not an hour after the coverage began, "Rezko" started being bounced around.

:mad:
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:02 AM
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15. Stop. Watching. The. Show.
Then you won't waste your time and get mad for no reason. (Also, you won't have to start yet another "Joe is awful" thread. :eyes:)

He's not worth your time. Change the channel. Turn the set off. Listen to NPR.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:42 PM
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47. Agreed! My coffee tastes better without
'Morning Cup of Slow'. Haven't missed him for a second.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:08 AM
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17. The value in watching that program is
to see what ball of dung that the Republicans and the media are going to push up the hill for the rest of the day. Beyond that, the snickering, snide, toadying high school bully types that are regulars on the show can't be classed as talent.

Joe = proverbial frat boy quarterboy who kicks sand in the face of the least popular kid.
Mika = wants to date the quarterback
Willie = sucks up to frat boy quarterback
Barnicle = parental unit type trying to be look cool and connected
Buchanan = dirty old man who works as a plumber on campus
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:35 AM
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21. ewww, so true!!
And who's Peggy Noonan when she's on the panel?

I hate how the only women they EVER put on the panel (and rarely at that) are Andrea, Peggy, or Mika.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:46 AM
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22. Peggy's the maiden aunt who's always just a bit tiddly
She wants to sound like she knows something but you always just know she's been drinking again...
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:47 AM
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23. The Nooner is
the spinster grammar/literature teacher who occasionally curses to be risque and ogles the frat boy/quarterback on the sly.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:50 AM
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24. oh shoot me, now Luke Russert is on...
"This is very mob esque!" Um, brilliant contribution, Luke.



I have for the most part quit Morning Joe, but every now and then I have to fall off the wagon to remind myself just how mad it is.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:55 AM
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26. The high IQ gene(s) that Tim Russert was blessed with was not passed on to his ...
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 08:56 AM by ShortnFiery
dumb-ass, corporate loving excuse for "a son." IMO someone needs to check out "the mailman" for paternity - Even factoring in for his youth, Luke Russert is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:56 AM
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27. Luke Russert == Nepotism
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:29 AM
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32. Yeah, a teacher.
Noonan reminds me of the spinster teachers of yore who had never been sullied by a man.

:eyes:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:11 AM
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18. Obama is golden!
He was accused of cavorting with terrorists and criminals all during the campaign...and...he won by a landslide. We voted for him because of his intelligence, knowledge, judgment and kindness. It's time for us all to trust that he knows what he is doing...whether it's his cabinet selections or cleaning up corruption. Read his first book. He didn't go to Chicago for a tea party...he went there to organize communities that were effected adversely by a corrupt government.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:12 AM
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19. fyi
Share your thoughts politely:

Joe Scarborough
joe@msnbc.com

MSNBC
viewerservices@msnbc.com
MSNBC TV
One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus, N.J. 07094
MSNBC contacts

Scarborough Country
joe@msnbc.com
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:29 AM
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20. This is the most valuable response ! Thank you. Remember how
the avalanche of (positive) mail about Olberman helped in starting to entrench him at MSNBC ?
We can get Joe out (with Mika in tow....along with her sempering oohs and aahs). We can do this if we want to.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:16 AM
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30. Oh yeah...and then Rachel!
Joe's BG is simply disgusting. It's like watching OJ. How can people do it? No more criminals turned hosts! Leave that to Fox.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:32 AM
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34. Yeah, right. Send them an avalanche of e-mails so they know you're tuning in
that will certainly get them off the air!

:crazy:

Oh, and BTW, make sure you post 8-10 threads on Morning Intern Killer every day.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:51 AM
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25. Better yet, TURN THE CHANNEL and not feed Joe's overblown ego? eom
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:15 AM
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29. I agree- I don't watch the POS
and never have. I saw him once for five minutes on youtube with Mika and I couldn't stand the shrill hyper craziness of his voice and Mika made me nervous. I knew I'd never make it through a show with them.

Ratings are the thing that keep them on -- so if people want to let the network know that they aren't watching and why, I'm all for it!
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
45. sorry - can't..... I could never use that contact information politely. nt
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:03 AM
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48. thanks for the links, however
the viewerservices email was returned as undeliverable. So I sent my message to letters@msnbc.com.

To those who say just don't watch, I don't think it's enough to ignore this menace. He won't go away so easily. We need to actively object. My line of attack was that he seems to WANT Obama to fail, he seeks to undermine him, opposing the public interest.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:30 AM
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33. Ummm....yeah. Have you considered turing it off?
:wtf:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:34 AM
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36. What is he even doing on MSNBC? The man is poisonous.
I can't watch him for a second.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:06 PM
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46. MSNBC is resoundingly and doggedly RW all day... It only sees reason
from late afternoon on (And Tweety is iffy). .

Contessa Brewer and the other one switch off for the daytime segments.. trading the "some say" and "how will this hurt the Democrats" crap back and forth..
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:37 AM
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37. What is mika talking about ...
lately..
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:09 PM
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39. Has anyone ever asked Joe
at what age did he realize he enjoyed the taste of penis.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:16 PM
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40. And a great big F-U to Chuckles Todd, as well.
He was on MJ this morning spouting the Puke talking points about "the relationship" between Obama and Blago.

I think he's pissed he got passed over for MTP.

Bake
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 12:16 PM
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41. Thats what Pubs do...Tear Down , destroy, denigrate, mitigate, non Pubs
Joe really revealed his assholeness last night..

The size of the Halemaumau Caldera of Kilauea
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:54 AM
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49. You guys are FUCKED UP. Joe puts out the talking point, and then allows
the likes of Harold Ford to Calmly address the points. It dispells any there there. And Mika is very talented in keeping the show going smoothly. She is the adult. Take Jos out, and the surrogates of Obama will be required to go to Fox, to confront, instead of a semifair hearing on Joe. Grow a spine folks. Obama is hard. Be like him. There are those here that want to PROTECT Obama by creating a bubble around him. Beat them mercilessly. We got GIBBS doing the official talking I guess. He is charmed. Beat them down. Destroy them. Face to face. Allow them to use all their chops getting us publicity. We will use the time wisely to explain our pragmatic solutions. Are we not men? We are DEVO! In fact, Obama should use this time to explain all his efforts to reform Illinois politics. Any time they make answering necessary, use the time to stump for our pragmatic plans. When they try to cut us off, loudly complain that it looks like all they are interested in is smear for MSM gain. Lecture that the American people want to move ahead. Not start a new reality series. Joe is USEFUL. And hate me if you must, but I would be thrilled to meet a woman as beautiful, sharp and well meaning as Mika. Stopp me before I go on. STOP MAKING THE OBAMA ADMIN A GLASS MENAGERIE!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:57 AM
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51. you lost me at the "Mika is the adult".
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:36 AM
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53. Either you MAKE her the star, or she MUST demure.
Joe is the willful child. He therefore is allowed to say things that would normally get him in trouble. He angers many. He plays the little boy blurting out the obvious. And Mika plays his mother. Trying hopelessly to keep her precocious child in some semblance of propriety. This is the layout. That they allow extended uninterupted response to those usually given an editted blurb, that doesnt represent their views, or Obama's, should be enough, to warm your heart to him. Sure, he is a winger. But you could have a beer with him. He REALLY DOES have some of his best friends as dems.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:39 AM
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54. Joe may do a better job at his "role" then , but
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 09:45 AM by ErinBerin84
if Mika's job is to be "the mother", she does a shitty job of it (other than the "mommy is on ambien, mommy needs her vodka, or Mommy is jealous that another woman is standing next to Lee") comments....she acts like a 13 year old girl. I agree with the above comment about Joe being more of the frat boy and Mika being the girl who wants to date the quarterback. When people are acting up, Mika just contributes to it with the storming away, the "STOP!!!!!!", and the giggling....it's all for her being showy, not any interest in making the show run smoothly. They should put someone who actually disagrees with Joe more as his sidekick if they want to make the show more interesting. Mika for the most part shows agreement with Joe, but even when there is the slighhhtest bit of disagreement, Joe makes a huge deal of it, to present the package of a "conservative and a liberal" show, when it's really just Mika and Joe nodding in agreement most of the time.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:17 AM
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56. What are the guests for again?
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:24 AM
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58. Guests are the only reason why to watch.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 10:28 AM by ErinBerin84
I'm convinced that, with the same guests and different hosts, that the ratings would stay the same or perhaps even get better. And Joe has flipped out on a few guests that he has disagreed with in a very awkward way. It's one thing to disagree, but he has a strange bully thing that he does (Mika just laughs beside him).It's not a "tough interview", he gets pissy and starts demonizing the person in a way that has nothing to do with the issue. But again, that's probably his "role"....drunk frat boy. I think most people watch the show in spite of, not because of, the hosts, who more often make me turn off the tv even when I want to see the specific guest. And they play MSNBC where I work though , so sometimes I can't avoid it.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:06 AM
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52. There is this marvelous invention: the OFF button
or at the very least: change the damn channel.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:42 AM
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55. Joe "dead intern" Scarborough is the worst of the worst
fuck him.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:31 AM
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59. And you think your incoherent obscenity makes you better? Not.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:49 PM
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62. Oooo, I'll go wash my mouth out with soap now Mister!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:33 AM
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60. He's a two faced, tiny beady eyed, back stabbing RW republican why waste your time?
He's always been a snake oil salesman always! There's not enough people to support his drivel, and if Dems stopped watching just to curse the screen...his numbers would flatten much quicker and he'd be poof gone in much shorter order.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:51 AM
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61. knowing this...why do you watch?
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