Bush's Service Record - Where Is The Outrage

[Jon8503]

As a Vietnam veteran, I am personally outraged how Bush escaped his civil duty by first of all, knocking out those who were ahead of him and in line for Guard Duty. Then on top of Daddy's assistance to get him in, he flips them off & does not even honor his guard duty service commitments.

It was my understanding back then if you did not fulfill your commitments, you lost your guard duty status and you were activated for active duty. Maybe this was just done for the commoners.

However, as a veteran, it is hard for me to understand how any legitimate veteran could honestly support this president. After doing and using influence for everything possible to avoid service to his country, even look what he is doing now to veterans and present servicemen and their families, by cutting their benefits to give tax breaks to the rich.

He has screwed veterans every step of his political career. After fearful of war himself, he sends others sons, daughters, fathers, brothers and other Americans to fight a war.

Wake Up America.

[Kierkegaard]

1. The outrage is there,

the media just won't report it. The event that the media won't be able to suppress is the one coming on November 2, where *Liar will get his ass handed to him on a platter. Just because they aren't reporting the groundswell and are already predicting a *Liar victory, doesn't make it so. The real October surprise comes on Nov 2!

[Catfight]

2. You're just now getting outraged? You mean the Purple Heartless

Bandaids didn't anger you? You mean the Shitboat Liars didn't anger you? Sitting from my living room, I thought all Vets loved AWOL and thought he's the only commander in chief who can keep America safe, even though he's never had an enemy in his face. Look at how he hides his enemies away from his campaigning? Bush is a coward, and if men like yourself don't call him on it, then I've lost hope with the whole thing. When a person who went AWOL is marketed as a hero, then the whole world is upside down.

[Jon8503]

4. Actually, instead of getting blasted for supposedly just now getting

outraged which is not true, I have been for sometime, just making a post again. Sorry for any delay.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

3. I've been wondering about the "outrage" since this issue was first....

...raised, well before the 2000 "election".

[TexasProgresive]

5. "Maybe this was just done for the commoners."

This boy has never been held accountable for anything in his life. He reminds be of a story I heard from a friend of mine about napalm. While in Vietnam a large napalm bomb somehow broke open at a loading dock and spilled it's contents on the ground. Mike said that horrified Vietnamese workers where trying to cover it with dirt but all that did was spread it. The dirt couldn't touch it, the napalm just oozed out from under it.

It's like that with our commander in Cheat. Nothing touches him and he continues to spread his danger further and further.

Thank you for your service in Vietnam. I served in the same TANG unit that our precious leader pretended to and at the same time. I'm surprised that I got in before being drafted. I was on an 18 month waiting list which was shortened somewhat because others above me were dropped. My guess is that most of those were drafted themselves and likely one of them because of special favors received by the elite.

I can tell you this much. The soldiers and airmen that got into National Guard units on their own were constantly reminded that they would be activated and sent to Nam as an E-1 if we did not make every drill weekend. Seldom did anyone in my shop ever missed a drill and those were made up post-haste. Nobody ever missed summer camp. If our sense of duty failed us our fear of activation was the whip.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. The problem with Bush is the "honorable discharge"

In light of ALL of the evidence that has surfaced over the last year, Bush should have been sent into active duty. I think we all understand why he WASN'T...but the problem with this whole story is that Bush's camp whips out "the president met his obligations and received an honorable discharge."

It doesn't matter if that discharge was a favor called in by Pappy Bush or his minions...and it most certainly WAS...as long as there is a piece of paper saying that he was honorably discharged, until someone can SUCCESSFULLY challenge that piece of paper, it will stand, and it will be the touchstone for any Bush administration response.

Dan Bartlett had to eat crow on the "he didn't need a physical because he was flying" baloney...he most certainly DID...but the only way Bush would be held accountable for his actions is if that "honorable discharge" were somehow rendered null and void. I don't believe that will happen, but that's the challenge for anyone who wants to bring our fearless leader down on this one.

[Jon8503]

8. You Are 100% Correct - There is no way he will be brought down

on this. Only possible embarrassment. Whats done is done. However, what pisses me off is the attempted whitewashing of it. Anyone who knows anything about the military and the Code Of Conduct, knows what he did as probably occurred on some occasions is he would have gone on active duty for his violations. Probably at least an Article 13.

[Toots]

14. Bush* "won" the election by 500 votes in Florida

If this reaches five hundred people who would probably vote Bush* and changes their mind or gives them enough doubt that they just stay home then it is effective. Not only that but Americans should be aware of the Character of the man they want to lead them. Yes he received an honorable discharge but his record is not at all attractive or compelling. I hope the next story is on his company Harken Oil. People need to know about all candidates and apparently that is a hard task to accomplish.

[TexasProgresive]

17. The Honorable discharge,hunh!

I don't think that the TANG business will get Dumbya hard time, what I'm hoping for is that it will weaken his support among the "character counts" crowd. If you scratch the shiny paint off of this guy it reveals the rot underneath.

The Honorable Discharge was given by the same people who gave him preferential treatment in the TANG. They were looking to cover their asses from the fire storm that would erupt had they done the right thing. This is how gangs and the Mafia work, or child molesters for that matter. They get someone in deeper and deeper water until they think they have no way out. They implicated themselves in the beginning and they had to do the "honorable" thing.

Barnes is retired so he is freer to speak, and I commend him for that. Others who know the truth won't speak out because they are ashamed of what they did and don't want the world to know. This is the same motive our Bill had for lying about Monica. However Bill only hurt his family by what he did, Dumbo's continued irresponsibility is killing people every day.

[Kazak]

7. I agree, he gets a pass because he's part of the Republic Party.

The double standard exists as far as his drug use goes too, which I think is just unexcusable.

[Cocoa]

9. Mara Liasson says people don't care

:shrug:

[Jon8503]

10. I think she is right. This country is divided and the ones that support

Bush is going to ignore anything and everything about him. Remember, he is born again. He is not like that now.

[Cocoa]

11. I think there are hard-core supporters like that

but there's a lot of people that simply aren't paying attention, and who haven't really thought about what the AWOL story means. First, the repeated lies, and more importantly, the unfairness of it all, which is an extremely powerful thing everyone can relate to.

Liasson is a beneficiary of this kind of unfairness, so she can't relate. A mediocre journalist getting a weekly panel show job is like Bush getting an honorable discharge.

[Catfight]

12. So do soldiers who go AWOL today, if they claim born again do they

get absolved of responsibility? Then lets have a mass exodus of any soldier wishing to leave Iraqi who has been saved by Bush's almighty hand, take his leading example and get on the next flight out of Iraqi. All soldiers who wish to stay and serve their country because they signed a contract and have a duty, can remain. How's that for standards of our Commanding Chief?
Anyone who thinks this is okay of Bush because he was 'saved' should think many times again, there's is NOTHING in the scripture that says "break the law or lie," it is about humility and admitting your mistakes. Remember...Bush couldn't think of ONE mistake, not ONE, not even his alcoholism, so tell me, what signs of being 'saved' does this coward display?

[Jon8503]

13. Catfight, you seem to be attacking anyone who is simply saying

what is wrong and why they think nobody is listening or angry about it, don't take it out on us.

We agree, it is wrong and simply voicing our comments.

[Catfight]

15. I'm not 'attacking' anyone here, I'm saying 'simply,' I find it amazing

that people are now upset about AWOL, when Michael Moore brought this up two years ago and was booed for it. I was more outraged that Vets didn't get upset when John Kerry was being 'attacked' for his service to this country. I didn't hear about another counter group of Vets organizing against the Shitboat Liars. I've never taken anything out on anyone here, I don't take this stuff personally, this is politics at its worse. I'm 'simply' voicing my shock that we're eight weeks from election time and now I'm hearing about outrage?
I had my mind made up four years ago when Bush stole the election and threw out all the black votes, that in 2004, I'd do everything I could to make sure the illegitimate pResident was out for good. So Jon, instead of speaking for everyone on this thread, "don't take it out on us," take your position as a VET and email CBS, CNN, FOX and all the other networks, newspapers in your area and let them know, you're ONE Vet who is 'outraged' about Bush's AWOL status and how he had the audacity to even mention Kerry's exemplary service to his country!

[Jon8503]

19. What the hell do you think I have been doing; maybe you should

ask instead of attack. My apologies for speaking for anyone else, I had no right to do that, but I do for myself, fight with the Freepers not someone who is on your side. I take offense to your stating I have done nothing. That was not my first outrage for your info.

[sugarcookie]

16. My father called me

yesterday and we discussed this very subject. He is a lifelong Dem and a Korean War Vet. We think this won't matter to anyone who is already supporting Bush.

Hopefully, it may effect some of the undecided's votes.

[AlCzervik]

18. What really outrages me is the fact now the media

claim they are not making a big deal about the AWOL story is because they overdid the swiftboat assclowns. So now not only does Kerry get tombstoned by the swiftboat story, * gets a pass because a false story has been whipped up about the authenticity of the documents by a well organized rightwing smear group. The actual content of the documents are not questioned and thats the real story and thats being ignored. I am so full of outrage over this and many other issues that i think i'll need blood pressure medication before this election is over.

[kentuck]

20. I got the outrage right here in my fingertips...

and everything seems so trivial today because the truth is being covered up....

[GoldenOldie]

21. It's still surprising how many are uninformed

Many that I talk with that are supporting Bush knew nothing of the 2000 smear campaign against John McCain....POW traitor, black baby, wife drug user, etc., and he is their Senator. They knew nothing about George W. Bush, TANG record, and believed that John Kerry only served 2-months in Vietnam and then won all those awards. They either listen to Rush Limbaugh or FOX and have accepted everything they said.

Give them what you know and make sure your are right with the facts. They may not change their minds but it sure should make them think about what they are doing or what they did if the s..t hits the fan.