Pakistan is more dangerous than Afghanistan

[BluegrassDem]

Obama was dead on about Pakistan! That country is fucked up. They are basically allowing these militant radical groups to set up shop there and plan out these terrorist attacks in other countries. And then they're powerless against the Taliban and bin Laden in the north. Pakistan is becoming a big time problem and Obama recognized it a long time ago. I'm glad he will be the president! I can't believe those fools are getting billions of American taxpayer money to do absolutely nothing! WTF are giving them money for? Obama will do something about this.

[davidpdx]

1. I think both are pretty dangerous

Part of the difference is we still have troops in one, but not the other. He was ahead of the curve though in terms of his comments on Pakistan.

Right now, traveling abroad is something people need to be careful about. It sounds like the situation in India was targeted specifically toward foreigners.

[ConsAreLiars]

2. So you agree with Obama that more murdering in South Asia is the answer,

and look forward to seeing US occupation forces invade Pakistan? Really?

[davidpdx]

3. Your screen name is hilarious, given the fact you misrepresented what I said

What makes it more hilarious is the fact I actually LIVE IN ASIA. Kill people? No. Do things need to be changed? Yes.

Maybe you can come back and lecture me after you've lived outside the US rather then sitting at home and being an internet jockey.

[ConsAreLiars]

5. I guess I misunderstood.

I thought you indicated you wanted US troops to invade Pakistan as well. My mistake. Oh, and the fact that you live now in in (I bet) some protected compound in Asia makes you an authority on anything is just pathetic.

[davidpdx]

6. No, I don't want them to

I think the two wars we have going on now are bad enough. I've seen first hand how our country has slipped in terms of the world's view of the US. When you see protests against your own country, it is disappointing to say the least.

And no, I don't live in a guarded compound. In fact, I have seen and traveled the world more then most people on this website.

[ConsAreLiars]

8. My apologies.

I did misunderstand. I strongly opposed the invasion of Afghanistan from before it happened and jumped to (mis)reading that you wanted troops in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. And since the only mission of invaders is to kill and terrorize... etc.

(And I've traveled a fair bit, never first class and never in the protected compounds where insular jingoism thrives. Misunderstanding your meaning seems also to have meant mis-guessing the kind of experiences you've had.)

[cliffordu]

13. nevermind

[Hippo_Tron]

9. More importantly, one has nuclear weapons the other doesn't

Afghanistan was always a dangerous place but not a "threat" until 9/11.

[ConsAreLiars]

4. Actually, the US is far more dangerous than any other country on the planet.

First of all, Pakistan did not send the hit squads into Mumbai. But the US has slaughtered a million or two in Iraq and hundreds of thousands or, over a longer time frame, many millions in Afghanistan. Be self righteous and hate, if that turns you on. But don't be totally blind to the reality of which country is the greatest mass murderer on the planet today. And look at the blood on your hands.

[Jennicut]

11. Look, all modern industrialized countries can be dangerous. But Pakistan is a real problem as well.

It might be solved by something other that invading the country, I think we have learned that lesson as well as the fact that are military is stretched beyond its limits and this ironically leaves us more open to attack at home. But if Pakistan was part of the problem in India and if they harbor other terrorist groups then they shouldn't be loved and coddled like under Bush. They are not our "allies".

[EFerrari]

18. You have to figure out who "we" are and who "they" are.

If you mean, the American people, no, the Pakistani power structure is not our friend.

If you mean, American corporatists and the oligarchy, yes, the Pakistani power structure has been their friend.

[Jennicut]

19. Bingo. They are not our friend at all, but the Bushies sure made them out to be wonderful

[Radical Activist]

12. Not only that

but the US needs to take its share of the blame for propping up dictators in Pakistan instead of supporting democracy. I appreciated Obama pointing that out during the campaign.

[TK421]

7. This thread will not end well...it's just a hunch n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

10. Pakistan is complicated and fascinating

The PPP is a nice secular western friendly party and right now they have plurality control of the government. The problem is that the government does not have control over the radicals, as you say. Additionally we basically supported Musharraf and his military dictatorship on the premise that he would combat the radicals, which he didn't really do.

Additionally consider the fact that they even had a female Prime Minister. Not exactly typical for the region.

[AtomicKitten]

14. Pakistan is an earthly mess right now. Very precarious relationship with the U.S. now

[Hutzpa]

15. I've always said these are folks

America cannot trust, the whole region is as corrupt as the word itself.

The Brits are having difficulty dealing with this region, because of their
corrupt ways of doing business.

[RollWithIt]

16. Read "Charilie Wilson's War" the book, not the movie.... lots of insight into Pakistani politics....

The insight is that money talks.

[Ignorimus]

17. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise

I don't see anyone saying that Afghanistan is more f*cked up than Pakistan.