Can we have a seperate forum for "Hillary's Machiavellian Control Over Obama" threads?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

Maybe it could be a subforum of the gun control one or something.

I see a handful of threads devoted to this topic, specifically vis SoS appointment, on the first page of GD:P this morning.

It seems a complete duplicate of the Veepstakes gossip over "HRC's people are strongarming Obama into picking her!" and "If he DOESN'T pick her it will be because he's too weak to have her on the ticket!" with the important difference that it's much more ludicrous, because Obama showed himself to be better than all that during the election, and the political "leverage" over Obama in such a scenario is essentially ZERO as Obama has won the presidency and as nothing to fear from embittered Clinton supporters if anyone tried to maneuver him into picking her and he said no or pointed out that it was just a rumor. The leverage during the general election was NOT zero.

All the threads, if I am not mistaken, stem from ONE HuffPo article and Elizabeth Drew, and are not directly sourced to anyone on the recod in either the Clinton or Obama camps.

I'm not aware that there's been any mention of this outside the HuffPo and DU universe. I don't watch a lot of TV but I've heard nothing about it there, nor on major online newspapers that I peruse.

Is there any reason that if the Clinton people promoted a rumor that Obama offered Clinton to be SoS, and he actually didn't, and didn't want her to be SoS, that he or his people wouldn't simply announce to the press that there seemed to be a misconception about this, "we are considering different candidates, and no offer has been made at this time, we'll let you know when there's more news"?

The whole thing seems designed to undermine the perception of Obama as being in control of his own affairs, and stir up hostility juices from the primary and promote divisiveness among Democrats after a crushing victory. :shrug:

[PermanentRevolution]

1. GD:HMCOO?

Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. No, it would still be GD:P

....umaCrap :puke:

[Ian David]

2. It's because Hillary has gained the endorsement of The Hypno Toad. n/t

[NYC_SKP]

3. Hillary is now Head of State...

According to one carefully vetted media source. :sarcasm:

It's astonishing how her star has so quickly risen, right past Obama who is merely president elect. :eyes:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

4. I'd be curious how those who are promoting suh a rumor would explain what

the source of Clinton's leverage over Obama would be.

Why, if they floated a rumor, he couldn't just quash it.

At least during the convention time frame, there was a legitimate concern about maintaining the Clinton voters for the GE.

[NYC_SKP]

5. He could quash it, but that would set a bad precedent, I think.

There are more important things to do right now than to expend any energy toward rumor-management.

If he wants to keep his SOS options open, he should say nothing at all about this.

Also, responding in any way dignifies the rumor, it may have a tendency to perpetuate the rumor problem, and sets up the expectation that he should respond to rumors, which he shouldn't.

Maybe there is a sound bit of sourcing or logic in this thread, but I wouldn't count on it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7931891

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

6. Well, my point is, I think he's probably offered her the job and NOT been manipulated into it.

The rumor I was referring to is the rumor A, that he offered her the job (when he supposedly never actually did) as opposed to rumor B, that he never offered her the job but was boxed into the current scenario by Clinton people floating rumor A.

Rumor A would in my view require quashing if that were the situation, if nothing else just to maintain control over your own affairs and information about your transition.

Rumor B requires nothing to be said at all as it's ridiculous.

[NYC_SKP]

12. I agree with you there.

I never did buy into the pressure thing.....so much crap that would be so unlike the Obama I think I know.

I'm thinking there have been conversations, she is under consideration, and nothing more.

You'd think that we aren't in two wars, mortgage meltdown, economy in taters.

[Life Long Dem]

20. I think most all Clinton supporters switched to Obama.

Then all of a sudden when this board felt united after a long time of being divided by the primary, a flood of rumors hit and an avalanche of Hillary disruptor's flooded the board. Where they came from along with the media's rumors makes me wonder if it isn't all connected (the media and the Clinton disruptor's)?

[Marrah_G]

7. Mayberry- don't get pulled into a fight with that jackass

Not worth it.

They are pathetic and sad little creatures. Don't let yourself get sucked into it.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. Nah you're right. I decided after reading a few of those threads that it just

wasn't worth it. I was curious whether there was actually any reputable news about it, but apparently not.

I haven't quit moved to hiding the threads and ignoring people, but that is probably not far away as it clutters up this subforum pretty well.

The essential dynamic on those threads seems to be the same as when my dogs fight. When two of them fight over something, two other dogs on the other side of the room often start fighting too, just because there's dogfightin' going on.

[Lyric]

8. Now wait--what about the Hillary's Black Ops Ninjas Spreading Chemtrails forum??

Maybe we can merge the two?

[JohnnyLib2]

9. You talk, you die.

It's in the handbook.

[Lyric]

10. I was told to inform you of this:

"The big blue bird wears the striped chocolate hat."

You know what to do.

:patriot:

[NYC_SKP]

13. Oh shit, oh no, not NOW!!!

I was gonna do a little shopping today.

Well THATS not gonna happen.

See you at the designated meeting place, sigh...

[Shiver]

14. Ah, hell...

Well, I better cancel that date and find the octopus costume. Higgins will meet you with the saran wrap...

[NYC_SKP]

17. forgot about that....damn

and it's my turn for the saran wrap....shit and damn.

[JohnnyLib2]

21. Doorbusters.

wear the new symbol

[NYC_SKP]

31. There's a another new symbol??!!

I just had the other one synced and calibrated....ah well.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

33. OOOOOO -- I love it!

Can we make up T-shirts saying that??? Lostinva and I would totally buy one.

[Lyric]

34. Bwah ha ha!

http://www.cafepress.com/cafeontheleft.334519487

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. Lostinva just cried,"One had better be under the Christmas Tree for me!"

[amborin]

15. separate is spelled wrong in your post nt

[JVS]

16. Seriously, do you want a forum where people can knock the Clintons to their heart's content?

[Life Long Dem]

18. Before it was Obama can't win without her on the ticket. Guess what?

[JVS]

22. What?

[Captain Hilts]

24. Only stupid people said that. THIS was the Dem's year. nt

[Captain Hilts]

23. PLEASE! Let's put all the Lady Macbeth threads in one forum.

Or, perhaps, start a 'fantasy' forum since these predictions never come true.

[mkultra]

25. HILLARY 08

ITS NOT OVER TILL SHES SAYS ITS OVER!!!!!!

[NYC_SKP]

32. She still sends me emails!

And I've saved every single one, and backed them up on multiple servers, hard drives, and secured data vaults.

[mkultra]

36. i print them and then process them as follows

i start by wetting them with an alkaline based preservative. I then sun dry them by hanging them outside being careful not to exposes them to direct sunlight. The next step is crumble and un-crumble each piece 10 times. The entire batch is then placed in dryer on very low heat for 45 minutes. The resulting sheets are sewn first together to double layer and then on the edge to make a sheet of Hillary cloth. This cloth is then made into clothing that i wear around town.

She is always close by.

[NYC_SKP]

37. LOL!

"I wearing her now!" :-)

BTW, the Hillary cream rising to the top of the toast we call America comment...classic, love it!

I was gonna reply but the mods locked it.

[S_E_Fudd]

26. Seems as though some of Obama's strongest supporters have the least confidence in him...

Anything to feed their Hillary obsession I guess...

[Lilith Velkor]

27. Hell no, it's way too much fun watching them melt down

:popcorn:

[Lumpsum]

28. Hmm.

I wonder if this thread will be received with the same vitriol as other threads suggesting there be a separate Prop-8 forum.

Probably not.

[Radical Activist]

29. Obama said it was premature to say who has the appointment.

Everyone is ignoring that. Maybe they should or maybe it should be taken seriously.

[wyldwolf]

30. The official logo of that group:

[stillcool]

35. I have no idea what all the hoopla is about..

but it is reminiscent of the VP pick. I could care less about whether Hillary gets the SOS position or not. If it doesn't pan out, there have been plenty of people who had that position that were locked out of the loop, and any of the decision making in the Administrations in which they served. By the way, do 'news' agencies regularly conduct polls on favorable ratings for cabinet positions?