Can we not post right wing smears about Obama on this website?

[CreekDog]

Please?

No links to right wing sites.

No cut and pastes of broadsides against Obama.

No cut and pastes of how Obama wasn't born here.

And patronizing afterwards with a line or two about "debunking" or "wanting to know what right wingers are saying" does not make it okay.

It's best not to post crap at all, it's worse when you do it without actually writing responses indicating why it's crap in the first place.

I am dismayed to have read more about the right wing Obama conspiracy theories here than anywhere else.

[ericgtr]

1. They allow smears against Hillary every other thread it only seems fair to allow them against Obama

so we can debunk them. Just sayin'

[CreekDog]

2. then why do they post the same smears against Obama multiple times?

I mean if the point is to debunk them and they've been debunked time and time again, is that really arguable as the intention?

[jobycom]

5. They've been doing that to both Clintons for years around here.

:shrug:

I'd like to see all RW talking points go away, but I ain't holding my breath waiting.

[CreekDog]

12. they shouldn't post baseless smears against HIllary and Bill either

I never supported that either.

I don't like made up conspiracy theories against either.

[yardwork]

18. Let's not support baseless smears against anyone.

[jobycom]

23. Almost all of them have been baseless.

Some use misinterpreted facts, like the IWR vote, to bolster their smears, but they are no less baseless.

[mkultra]

66. hillary is not the president

[Ozma]

3. You "concern" is duly noted. But

I object to people telling me what I can or cannot post on a message board. What part of freedom of speech do you NOT understand?

You are free NOT to read what people write. What God-granted power gives you the authority to tell us what NOT to post here?

[CreekDog]

6. edited out.

[Ozma]

26. I prefer free speech and like to be informed, so, in a word, YES!

As long as we find the full context, try to understand the phenomena, and find ways to deflate them.

[Marrah_G]

11. This is a Dem supporting board- There is no free speech here

RW talking points and BS are not welcomed here.

Freepers are not welcome here.

Bashing Dems is not welcome here.

Those posting such garbage under the guise of concern are often looked at a little more closely.

[CreekDog]

14. you're right but multiple folks are arguing against the simple proposition

:shrug:

[Marrah_G]

17. I don't get it either Creek.

[Marrah_G]

15. I suggest you not insinuate a long time DUer is a concern troll.

Especially after reading your post and looking at your profile.

[Ozma]

29. Oh please, now we have ANOTHER person preaching hierarchy of rights

due to number of posts on a message board? And, suggesting what I can and cannot write here?

I thought I was in the USA, but I guess this message board is more like a NON-democratic part of the country, where the UNDERGROUND is the MOST IMPORTANT word in the name of the message board.

[Marrah_G]

32. Suggesting a long time DUer is a troll is indeed against the rules

Your use of "concern" in your sentence means "concern troll" here on DU.

Be careful who you make allegations against.

[Ozma]

41. Pardon me if I didn't know when words I did NOT use, are inferred by the reader.

[Marrah_G]

52. Oh, you didn't type "Your "concern" is duly noted" ?

[CreekDog]

33. hey, i'm not a troll. look at my posting history before you accuse me

a troll doesn't ask folks NOT to post smears against the Democratic President Elect.

[Ozma]

42. When you find the place were I used that T word, let me know, OK?

[yardwork]

47. I was wondering when that would come up. This is a familiar pattern.

Some posts flamebait. Somebody says "thanks for your concern." Somebody else says "Don't call my little a troll!" Somebody else says "It's against DU rules to call somebody a troll!"

Lost in the melee is the fact that nobody called anybody a troll.

[Ozma]

61. Gee, someone who makes sense here! Thanks for pointing this out! n/t

[yardwork]

64. It's probably best not to thank people for their concern

unless you really are calling them a troll.

[Marrah_G]

53. You used a well known DU insinuation instead- now you plead ignorance

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

49. This board is privately owned and has rules -- and you just broke some

[LostinVA]

46. self delete

[Quantess]

60. I advise you to read the rules.

I see you've only been here about 5 weeks. Forget your illusions about this being a "free speech" site. Yes, progressives believe in free speech in general, but when it comes to an internet message board, DU has rules and guidelines just like any other privately owned message board. Freedom of Speech is a valid principle, but just as it doesn't apply when you are in someone else's home, it doesn't apply to DU. In either case, you may get kicked out.

[QC]

65. Your concern about his concern is duly noted

and will receive all the consideration that it merits.

[cboy4]

4. You need to clean up your own neighborhood first

CreekDog.

[CreekDog]

8. edited.

if you still have an issue with me send me a PM.

[greguganus]

9. Snap! n/t

[CreekDog]

10. please inform

apparently i have posted right wing smears?

[Ozma]

30. If you did, they went right over my head. LOL

[CreekDog]

38. that's what i thought

:wtf:

[yardwork]

13. ....

:smoke:

[CreekDog]

19. What's the matter with you?

yardwork wrote:

"I was kind of shocked by your thread, but I realize now that you didn't intend it that way.

It's not right to blame any set of people for Proposition 8, as I've said. It's not right to put a lot of credence in an exit poll with an extremely small sample size. Even if that poll accurately reflects voting patterns, the only use for that data is to get to work, not blame people.

My frustration stems from the fact that I've said this - over and over again - and yet there are still DUers accusing me of racism, both me specifically and me as part of "the gay community," which of course has as little meaning as "the black community." "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4416541&mesg_id=4417623

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or perhaps you didn't mean what you said.

[yardwork]

20. I meant every word of what I said and long afterward I'm still being accused of racism.

One of your cohorts was causing trouble in the GLBT forum yesterday, still accusing all gay people of being racists. Numerous other DUers remark daily on the *fact* that "all white gays are racist."

Meanwhile we still have numerous posters here posting anti-gay crap on a daily basis.

[CreekDog]

22. And I never posted that any group was racist

Didn't accuse you in particular of that either.

But the indefensible thing is that because of attacks on others, that somehow attacks on Obama are okay.

(on edit: no you didn't say it was okay. sorry to say it that way.)

[yardwork]

24. Who said that attacks on Obama are okay? NOBODY said that.

If you really want to help out, you need to make some amends. Your posts hurt a lot of people, and the posters you teamed up with on those hurtful attacks are still on the hunt.

[CreekDog]

28. Ugh. I didn't *team* up with anybody...and I was ganged up on in response

I never called any group racist. I pointed out statements that I thought were calling out groups by race. You were not mentioned nor referred to in my post that day. And in response, people accused me of saying what I never said and in fact what you are saying about me now.

When you look at my words they were very restrained and very specific and did not call out anybody who did not go after an entire group. I didn't even bring up sexual orientation in my OP and for good reason, I wasn't going to argue against calling out one group by calling out another.

You still are perpetuating such an argument against me when I did no such thing to you.

[yardwork]

34. You and several others invaded a thread I started and accused me of vile things.

You posted back and forth, discussing me in the third person, right on my own thread. Don't pretend that you didn't.

[CreekDog]

40. please quote one accusation from me

look at my posts and quote me.

i hate fighting over this sh%*%$.

i've been fighting against smears against whole groups on this site for years.

[CreekDog]

25. please don't refer to some asshole as my "cohort"

nobody who harasses people in the way that you describe is in any "cohort" that I willingly belong to.

[yardwork]

27. Really? A lot of people thought that the two of you were highly supportive of one another.

[CreekDog]

31. i posted my OP that day without any one else's input

when folks started accusing me of things I never said and never intended, some people defended me. thank God!

[yardwork]

36. Don't be so modest. You were greatly responsible for starting a DU legend

"All white gays are racists." Your efforts paid off greatly. Many DUers now believe this statement without qualification. Thanks.

[CreekDog]

44. I never supported anything of the sort

but i guess people are ganging up on me because they think that's what i did and what i intended.

thanks for fighting that. oh wait, you didn't.

and to think that your feelings are hurt.

[yardwork]

50. Oh, I'm sorry! Which of your rights did you lose on election day?

[CreekDog]

54. please don't change the subject

you said your feelings were hurt all the while you were going after me.

that Prop. 8 passed does not give you license to hurt my feelings. as if somehow i supported it or any discrimination.

[yardwork]

56. You have a habit of starting threads that accuse other DUers.

Maybe your intentions are good, but the effects of these threads are not beneficial at all. They just create misunderstandings and contribute to vague ideas that a lot of DUer are up to no good.

This OP is a case in point. The implication is that DU is full of people posting right-wing talking points in an effort to undermine Obama. Now you've started a flame war because some posters defend you while others take offense.

You did the same thing earlier when you started threads accusing DUers of being racist. When some of us attempted to defend ourselves, you came into our threads and continued the accusations, posting in tandem with others.

And you claim that *you* feel ganged up on? Here's a way to avoid ever feeling ganged up on. Stop starting threads that accuse other DUers of doing the wrong thing.

[CreekDog]

62. Point taken.

I will think about what you said before I start threads in the future.

Seriously.

[yardwork]

63. Thank you for taking my suggestion in the way it was intended.

Seriously, I'm not trying to cause you any grief or trouble at all. Really.

[Marrah_G]

7. Please expand that to include ALL Democrats

I, for one, am sick and tired of RW smears and talking points being spread on this site.

Criticism is one thing......sounding like you are plugged into Hannity's brain is yet another.

[yardwork]

16. I'm dismayed to read broad-brush attacks on gay people here.

Are you willing to help out with that?

[CreekDog]

21. yes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7309082

i don't like broadsides against any group based on group membership. instead we should criticize those that are in the wrong.

[ZombieHorde]

35. Why shouldn't we post them, what harm do you think will come of it?

[CreekDog]

37. it keeps them going, gives them a wider audience

don't forget that some people read a few lines and say, "wow, maybe there is something to that".

especially when they are posted without any refutation, or minimal refutation.

[godai]

45. Yes, sounds like censorship and over-reaction.

I don't fear being informed of what's being said from all viewpoints. Not to be aware of all viewpoints, including those 180 degrees away from me, does me no good. Be confident that the truth will prevail.

[Versailles]

39. I'll probably get flamed left and right...

I think it is important for us, as intelligent free thinking citizens, to be aware of what our opponents are saying and doing so that we can make more informed arguments and educate ourselves. As a former teacher, I always taught my students that in order to debate a topic, you must be aware of BOTH sides of an issue so that you can make a powerful argument. Part of knowing both sides, unfortunately, sometimes means delving into the unpleasant or outright wrong aspects of your topic. In this case, I think it is our duty to know what smears are out there so that we can effectively combat them. I don't get the rightwing smear emails anymore from friends and family because they know that I will work hard to debunk every single point in them. I've done my job well enough that I no longer get those emails so I've been taken out of the loop of knowing what is being said. I come here to find out political news, slanders, lies, and the truth...not a happy meeting house where everyone has their fingers in their ears singing LALALALALALA at the top of their lungs pretending that our opponents don't exist.

[CreekDog]

48. Well, it's a topic for discussion

I mean I did put it out there.

[yardwork]

57. I agree.

[JVS]

43. Sounds good to me.

[BlooInBloo]

51. Um, that's what DUers' purpose is, now. Keep up.

[demokatgurrl]

55. Thanks. My "ignore" list has gotten very big today. n/t

[No Elephants]

58. I am dismayed to read RW garbage here, especially copy and paste from Freep. However, I am also

dismayed when people start threads telling other posters what they should or should not post.

Ignore the thread, or post right on the thread in question that it is right wing crap from which DU should be free, or use the Alert feature.

[yardwork]

59. What a reasonable suggestion.

[Spectral Music]

67. Some people would prefer censorship to reasonable suggestions

But censorship is a greater evil than letting the trolls have their silly say.

[Spectral Music]

68. oops

delete

[Blarch]

69. Oh please.

Who is forcing you to read the threads ?