Clinton tells FEC she kept campaigning after conceding (updated)

[ProSense]

Clinton tells FEC she kept campaigning after conceding

Legality of $6.4 million transfer hinges on claim

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's team has told the Federal Election Commission that she continued her campaign even after announcing her "full support" for Democratic presidential rival Sen. Barack Obama on June 7, a claim that lets her transfer millions of dollars from her presidential bid to her Senate campaign.

The former first lady made the $6.4 million transfer from her White House campaign, which remains more than $7 million in debt, to Friends of Hillary on Aug. 28. That date would fall outside the legal deadline for making such a move if her campaign were to have ended June 7.

Her campaign treasurer told federal regulators that Mrs. Clinton spent more than a quarter-million dollars engaging in "vigorous political activity" to seek more delegates throughout June, according to newly released FEC filings.

"The committee continued to actively contest for delegates at the state and local delegate-selection events during the month of June," campaign treasurer Shelly Moskwa wrote in a letter to the FEC dated Nov. 20. "Nothing in Senator Clinton´s remarks indicated that she was withdrawing from the race.

"While she indicated that she was suspending her campaign, the term 'suspension' has no legal meaning," Ms. Moskwa wrote.

Precisely when Mrs. Clinton, who is expected to be Mr. Obama's secretary of state nominee, dropped out of the Democratic presidential primaries is emerging as an important legal question for FEC regulators examining the transfer of funds. Such transfers are legal if donors give their permission, and the Clinton campaign has said donors indeed authorized the move.

Still, such transfers also must take place within 60 days of when a candidate withdraws from the race, according to FEC rules. The Aug. 28 transfer date fell more than 80 days after her June 7 concession to Mr. Obama, in which she told supporters in Washington that "we must elect Barack Obama our president. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him."

Given Mrs. Clinton's concession speech in early June, the FEC has raised questions about the timing of the Aug. 28 transfer, sending a letter to the Clinton campaign last month asking for more details.

In response, Ms. Moskwa told the FEC in a letter that the campaign had complied with the 60-day rule because, despite Mrs. Clinton's endorsement of Mr. Obama in early June, there were still efforts afoot to get more delegates.

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Updated to add:

HRC campaign sale: Everything must go!

By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 11/21/08 4:35 PM EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign is wrapping up a fire sale of sorts, in which it dispensed computers, servers, desks and most other office fixtures not bolted down to charities, campaign vendors, politicians and just regular folks — all in the name of raising cash to pay off its debt.

Until about three weeks ago, signs in the windows of Clinton’s suburban Washington campaign headquarters advertised a moving sale and offered all kinds of office equipment for purchase, and some equipment is still listed for sale online. From the time she conceded the Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama through the end of October, Clinton’s campaign reaped $373,000 through nearly 400 separate “asset sales,” according to reports her campaign filed with the Federal Election Commission.

That won’t put much of a dent in her vendor debt, which stood at $7.5 million at the end of October, according to an FEC report filed Thursday night.

But every penny counts for Clinton, who’s had a tough time raising cash since dropping out of the race. Thursday’s report shows that in October she raised $774,000 and brought in another $42,000 through asset sales, allowing her to pay down $507,000 of her vendor debt.

That debt could be an issue if, as expected, she is tapped to be Obama’s secretary of state, a position that would bar her raising cash to pay off her unpaid bills, possibly prompting her to appeal to her creditors and the FEC to forgive the debt.

It would be unprecedented for the FEC to allow a candidate to write off such a large debt. But it’s quite common for losing candidates to sell off their assets, particularly to their former staffers and sympathetic political committees.

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[dailykoff]

1. Whoa.

Astonishing.

[MadMaddie]

2. Oh boy

That doesn't bode well.

[Zynx]

5. EDIT: Never mind, didn't read article closely.

[joshcryer]

3. So what?

She wanted to pay off her debts. Her 50+ rallies for Obama showed her commitment.

[dailykoff]

6. Except she didn't transfer the debt, she swiped the cash.

Crooked is the Clinton way.

[mcg]

135. Not if the donors authorized the move.

"Clinton campaign has said donors indeed authorized the move"

If they are not lying about this, I would not say she "swiped the cash".

[dailykoff]

140. If she transfered the cash and not the debt, she swiped it.

Sorry, that's what it boils down to if she left vendors blowing in the wind.

[mcg]

136. What happens to her Senate campaign money now that she will be SOS?

That is assuming she will be SOS which seems inevitable at this point.

Can it be transferred back?

[Uzybone]

4. Shocking!!! Not really

I thought most people accepted that Hillary was still trying to twist delegates arms all the way till the convention. I remember hearing and reading stories about it.

Once Barack was the nominee she went full force in support of him.

[AtomicKitten]

87. they not only don't accept it, they complete deny it

There were many reports that the Clintons twisted arms all the way to the convention looking for that magic number for a coup. If that failed, you may recall some of her followers here at DU posting shit about how she might TAKE the VP spot by some circuitous maneuver at the convention.

We got to see a side of the Clintons during this campaign that is unmistakable (in spite of the fact that some people are oblivious to it and take umbrage if it is discussed).

I hope Barack stays upwind from the Clintons. They are nothing but trouble.

"The committee continued to actively contest for delegates at the state and local delegate-selection events during the month of June," campaign treasurer Shelly Moskwa wrote in a letter to the FEC dated Nov. 20. "Nothing in Senator Clinton´s remarks indicated that she was withdrawing from the race."

"While she indicated that she was suspending her campaign, the term 'suspension' has no legal meaning," Ms. Moskwa wrote.

[Deep13]

111. Campaigns are about money.

If this is supposed to be some shocking revelation about Sen. Clinton, it isn't.

[Life Long Dem]

7. Nice timing.

[KittyWampus]

8. the point, which Hillary's sycophants don't get, is she has to LIE to the FEC. She DID concede

and is lying to get out of abiding by the rules.

She has to make shit up to enable the shuffling of funds around.

God forbid she and Bill spend their own money to pay off for her vanity campaign.

[Metric System]

17. Edit: Deleted

[BlooInBloo]

50. They get it. They just don't *care*.

EDIT: As with so much else she and hers did in the campaign.

[BlooInBloo]

9. So? It's not like anybody is stupid enough to believe anything she says anyway*.

*Clinton supporters excepted, of course.


It does make one wonder how the conversation goes: "Hey Barack - would you help me pay for stabbing you in the back?"

hahahaha!

[dailykoff]

10. Why Obama would let this person within a million miles of his admin is a puzzle.

Michelle, please knock some sense into your husband, okay?

[wisteria]

Oh, I agree. n/t

[mkultra]

67. 1

[wisteria]

26. Oh, I agree. n/t

[mkultra]

68. 2

[wisteria]

27. Oh, I agree. n/t

[dailykoff]

32. He really needs to get out of the bubble.

If he keeps up with this Clinton thing he could face a serious challenge from the left in 2012, and if the Clintons smell blood they'll put up Hillary again too. Not good.

[mkultra]

69. 3

[BlooInBloo]

72. Very GOOD! Gold star for you!

:P

[mkultra]

96. yeah!

if you need anything else counted, just ask. i was count Dracula in a previous life.

[BlooInBloo]

107. :P

BTW: It's not uncommon for the DU site software to choke when the user clicks "Post message", the result being that the message ends up being posted, but the user is not made aware of this. A common effect this has on the user is to induce him or her to hit "Post message" again. Rinse, repeat the desired number of time to achieve the end result that you counted.

Assuming you were wondering.

[mkultra]

112. well, i actually new that.

but thanks for taking the time. I was indirectly making fun of the poster for humping the submit button.

[BlooInBloo]

33. Because if need be, he can fire her more easily than he puts on a jacket...

And if it's with bona fide cause (which of course it would be), there would be little-to-no serious PR-blowback. Possibly like a lesser version of McArthur (though I was wasn't around at that time, and am not certain.)


EDIT: That's the basic reason I can't for the life of me cognize why Clinton would want anything below VP. (VP is high enough up that you would have to be REALLY jackass for a firing not to meet with substantial pushback. But worker-bee jobs have a much lower threshhold of acceptable-to-be-fired-for.) I mean, putting the entire remainder of your political career in the hands of the guy you hate most, and stooped to race-baiting on - it's hard for me to see the upside for Clinton.

[dailykoff]

34. Let's hope he gets it over with before he takes office.

Seriously.

[DJ13]

11. Somebody help me here

So she transferred $6.4m from her Pres campaign to her Senate campaign, which is suspiciously close to the reported $7m amount she left her Pres campaign in debt for?

That sounds like a five letter word that starts with an "f" and ends with a "d" to me.

[progressive_realist]

24. And now she might stiff the vendors?

You know, the ones who provided her with goods and services on the premise that she was trustworthy?

I have this curious delusion that we Democrats should set good examples. Apparently my principles are mis-calibrated.

:wtf:

[jbnow]

134. She has paid off small vendors...she owes Penn

millions and also companies of some other campaign staff... just BID vendors but mostly Penn.

That's why Obama's big donors were reluctant to give once small vendors were paid off, Penn is not popular. At all.

Sorry for no link, just to lazy to google now

[ecstatic]

66. I had to re-skim that part 3 times

I just can't believe my eyes. It's late and my brain is fried, but damn! That's just low. :(

[political_Dem]

12. Well, some of the crap about Sen. Clinton is coming out now. I'm not surprised.

And I still say that Obama has a major drama and trust issue on his hands if he does put Hillary in the SOS spot.

[Why Syzygy]

16. I think he has been body snatched.

I never dreamed he would give her such power. I would have found it alarming. And think my vote may have been affected.
That's how dangerous I think she is.

[polichick]

13. So THAT'S why they were working on those delegates??

[Max_powers94]

14. you know....Obama need to look for another SOS. The Clinton's ..

has toooo much baggage

[City Lights]

15. Well, isn't that special. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. :( :( :(

Why do these things have to happen?

[dailykoff]

19. There's a reason Clinton lost to a first-term freshman senator.

The electorate basically fired her and Obama's surprise resurrection of the Clinton White House is a very bad business politically that will have repercussions. You'd think someone would tell him.

[Max_powers94]

20. I am going to try to email him a letter to tell him.....

to stop Fucking with the Clinton's

[dailykoff]

21. I think that's a good idea.

I like the Obamas immensely but the fact is he's just starting out and this whole Clinton "partnership" is a huge mistake that could seriously harm his reelection chances.

[BlooInBloo]

35. I disagree with you there a bit. We didn't vote *against* her (well, mebbe I did)...

we voted FOR Obama.

[dailykoff]

42. The Clintons spent six years lining up all the cards in her favor.

The media, the superdelegates, the cronies, the huge warchest. She was the far-and-away frontrunner and she lost to a rookie. I'd say that was a pretty clear rejection of the Clintons.

[BlooInBloo]

45. If the only lens one is able to apply to the situation is the zero-sum-game lens...

then sure, the selection of Clinton is ipso facto the rejection of Clinton.

Furthermore, I agree that the zero-sum-game lens IS indeed a valid and useful lens.

I'm only claiming that it's not the ONLY valid and useful lens with which to view the primary.

[redstate_democrat]

61. Maybe Obama (although I heart him like a play cousin) thought it was all about the "hope"

I say the "hope" factor was a little further down the checklist for me. Keeping the Clintons out of the WH was farther up the list.

[dailykoff]

63. Me too.

It seemed like a win-win--idealistic liberal Dem and he wasn't a Clinton.

[musicblind]

If you voted FOR him and not against her then you should trust his decisions.

Have you not thought that maybe he knows her better than you guys do. Perhaps she isn't a bad person after all? Perhaps she really DOES support Obama?

[dailykoff]

52. He hasn't done a lot to earn my trust frankly.

He's reversed himself on two major decisions, he's tossed his early backers under the bus, and now he's loading up on crooked pro-war DLC Dems. That's not change, it's deception, but yeah it's better than McCain so you don't have to say it.

[musicblind]

56. He has not reversed himself on issues. He is setting up his office to actually get things DONE!

He is going to be an excellent president and possibly an even better president than Bill Clinton. We will just have to wait and see if that comes to be... but I am very confident that Obama will bring change to washington and will be an excellent president.

[dailykoff]

59. He COULD be an excellent president

but he doesn't seem to be starting out that way. Dragging the Clintons and their operatives back into the White House doesn't suggest any "change" except the calendar.

[BlooInBloo]

58. Um, I was the one who clarified for another poster what the substantial upside was...

of having her there, tiger.

I've been repeatedly clear that putting her there has substantial political upside at the cost of having a temperament that's less-than-appropriate to the job as SoS. Life it tradeoffs - apparently that's one that Obama is willing to make. I'm not sure I would be. But that more a personal taste issue that an alethic one.

[John Q. Citizen]

133. I know he has resisted making any announcement about the SOS spot so far.

Doesn't mean a thing either way, I know.

Just saying.

What if Obama does ask Hill, she accepts, and then he fires her next fall? That would pretty well get her out of the way for good.

Are you sure Hill wants the job?

Does Obama need the drama of Hill, Bill, her entourage? I'm not sure.

I guess we will find out what happens.

[rug]

22. Copyright 2008 Washington Times

[PBS Poll-435]

85. They sound important.

nt

[ben_meyers]

23. It's the Mooney Times, consider the source!

[dailykoff]

25. You're saying they fabricated the whole story?

You're thinking of the NY Times.

[wisteria]

30. I heard a very similar story from the Washington Post- a more reliable source. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

28. The Clintons Have Grabbed Over $100 Million Since Leaving Office

They have plenty of dough to pay off the the "little people" who figured her word was good.

[yourguide]

29. What a mismanaged campaign.

From start to finish...

[BlooInBloo]

36. Yup. Clearly the only thing to do is to put her in charge of managing the totality of US Diplomacy!

[yourguide]

92. my point exactly

:eyes:

So which is it? Was she still campaigning long after she lost or did they screw up and not file in time?

Either way I dont see any upside...

[zulchzulu]

31. Two things really bug me about this revelation

First of all, it's not surprising and disappointing that Hillary was still looking for delegates after she said she was backing Obama. That puts a trust level under jeopardy with a cabinet position in my view. If you are told that you will meet and leader of a foreign country with instructions or whatever, trust is to be without question.

Secondly, transferring the money late and still maintaining the campaign debt, which displays a fairly careless management style, opens up to a possible scandal and investigation that will mar the new Administration's honeymoon period, which has to be used for rapid de-Bushing so many different levels of policy and disastrous legacy.

I want to give Hillary Clinton a chance, but without getting a convincing argument that this all means nothing, it doesn't look good.

[BlooInBloo]

38. I still wanna know how the conversation between them goes!

"Hey Barack - would you help me pay for stabbing you in the back? What do you ballers say? 'No harm no foul', right?"

:rofl:

[musicblind]

37. On January 20th she will be your Secretary of State via Obama. So deal with it.

If you can't deal with it then don't vote for Obama in 2012. Otherwise, deal and move on. If you think Obama is qualified to be president then you should stop whining about his VERY GOOD choice of Sen. Clinton for SOS.

I think it is funny so many people here think they are sooooo much smarter than Obama. If you hate that Obama made her SOS then support someone else in 2012... as for me, I'll be supporting Obama.

[BlooInBloo]

39. Let me be the first to congratulate Clinton supporters everywhere for their candidate winning...

The booby prize of the booby prize.

You all earned it.

[musicblind]

43. I never claimed it was a victor of any kind for Clinton. I support Obama and his appointments

I supported his appointment of Biden over Clinton and now I support his appointment of Clinton for SOS. You can say whatever you like to console yourself... but the truth is... Obama has proven that your hatred of Clinton is unjustified by his selection of her for SOS. I do not think she will be his SOS for his full first term... but while she is I think it makes the people who were claiming how awful she is look pretty darn silly. lol

[BlooInBloo]

47. "it makes the people who were claiming how awful she is look pretty darn silly"....

Yah - because we've NEVER had an awful SoS before. UNHEARD OF!!!!

:rofl:

Fool, heal thyself.

[musicblind]

49. See. You prove my point. You're looking silly.

Either Obama has bad judgement and is wrong or YOU are wrong. I'd think Obama's judgement would be A LOT better than yours. Therefore... you look pretty silly.

[BlooInBloo]

54. (shrug) And you look like you don't know how to correctly discharge a hypothetical assumption...

It takes all kinds, I suppose.

[wisteria]

41. I'm going to whine she isn't qualified and she can't be trusted.

Oh, I think he is making a huge mistake and we want to say it loud and clear hear and elsewhere. And, if a politician is doing something shady and questionable it is always good to know about it before the deal is done rather than find out after the fact and have a huge problem on our hands.

[ProSense]

44. "If you can't deal with it then don't vote for Obama in 2012."

Why on earth would you suggest that?

Obama considering Hillary for a cabinet spot doesn't excuse everything she's ever done. The FEC still has to make a decision on her outstanding debt.

Bill Clinton made appoints that never made it through confirmation.

[musicblind]

46. Because I know that noone here would do so. I also said that I will be voting for Obama in 2012

funny that the moment someone calls you on your BS the only thing you can think of as a comeback is to imply they are advocating against DU. lol. Especially since I'm the one that was rallying so hard to get NC and taking shit for starting pro NC going blue threads during the GE.

Face it. You WILL vote for Obama in 2012 and so will everyone else. If you are going to vote for him though... you need to stop whining because he made Hillary SOS. He obviously sees something in her... something a lot of people have seen in her outside of DU.

Perhaps, for once, you should consider that you were wrong and that you misjudged someone.

[ProSense]

48. "If you are going to vote for him though... you need to stop whining because he made Hillary SOS."

Wow! That's deep.

[musicblind]

51. Thank you. So stop whining. Each time you whine you are claiming that Obama has bad judgement

and thus slamming Obama. So stop slamming our democratic president-elect. Personally I would trust Obama's judgement over yours any day of the week... and that is what all of this comes down to.

[ProSense]

55. Clue: Hillary mismanaged her campaign. Criticizing her is not whining and the "Obama trust" BS

is a strawman argument.

[gal]

132. Who I vote for in 2012 will be based on what happens the next 4 yrs and the decisions made...

I also think its wrong for you to say people cannot criticize a choice they do not believe in. That is free speech.
I can support a candidate,a spouse and my children without agreeing 100% of the time.

[ZombieHorde]

64. There is little reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Radical Activist]

40. So without the $7 million transfer there would be no campaign debt?

That seems awfully dishonest to her donors.

[Genevieve]

53. Nobody has ever accused Hillary Clinton of being honest.

Google 'Hillary lies" - 8 Million hits

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=3946&fsdt=8888&q=hillary+lies&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

[dkf]

57. The woman has no honor. She is a deadbeat and a liar.

She has no business as our SOS. I hope Obama changes his mind, because I'm beginning to doubt his good judgment.

[Metric System]

60. Why are these kind of attacks against a fellow Democrat allowed here?

[Max_powers94]

62. She and Bill are a hot potato

[atimetocome]

65. I wonder that also. It is disgusting.

[dkf]

71. She said she conceded and she congratulated Obama, yet she

was still campaigning against him. Lie?

She doesn't want to pay off her debts. Deadbeat?

Tell me where I am wrong, or is it just wrong to call it like it is?

[Metric System]

76. The convention wasn't until August and I don't believe the delegate situation was sorted out. Also,

if you recall, almost up until the start of the convention they still weren't even sure about how the roll call would be handled.

From the article:

***In response, Ms. Moskwa told the FEC in a letter that the campaign had complied with the 60-day rule because, despite Mrs. Clinton's endorsement of Mr. Obama in early June, there were still efforts afoot to "actively contest for" delegates.

"The committee engaged in vigorous activity through paid staff to make sure that her delegates were selected and seated at each of these events," she wrote, adding that the delegate-selection events occurred "throughout the month" and concluded June 29.***

[dkf]

79. Yeah I knew she meant to try to make delegates vote against

the will of the people that put them there.

Which you freely acknowledge.

Great SOS behavior. You must be very proud of her.

[Metric System]

80. Um, no. That's not what I said at all. Where did I say anything about poaching Obama delegates?

[dkf]

81. They were still trying to pick up delegates.

That is why they were campaigning.

[paulk]

78. that's a good question

if one substituted "Obama" for "Hillary" in these hater's posts, they would have been banned months ago...

[EstimatedProphet]

100. Because this board is where freepers come when they can't stand FR's layout anymore.

[ecstatic]

70. He probably doesn't know about this shocking story

While she was criticizing Obama and his supporters for not clearing up her campaign debt, she had quietly transferred 6.5 MILLION DOLLARS to her Senate fund? Is that really what I just read?!?! :wtf: :mad:

I was on board with the SoS idea, but now I will do so grudgingly. She STIFFED hundreds of vendors---small business owners who are already struggling in this economy. She is a multi millionaire! There is NO EXCUSE! NONE! :mad: :mad: :puke:

[BlooInBloo]

75. That's possible, but I would think it's more likely that he knew about this at least days ago...

And he just views this as yet another opportunity to be magnanimous.

Sometimes he's so honorable I wanna puke. lol!

(And yes, I recognize that says a lot more about me than it does about him.)

[lapfog_1]

86. I thought she owed $5 M to Mark Penn.

If she paid her other vendors and stiffed him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[BlooInBloo]

73. And those are her GOOD points! (rimshot)

Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here Friday, Saturday, and Sunday! Don't forget to tip your waitresses!

[BlooInBloo]

74. self-delete - thought the original was on the wrong branch, but it wasn't.

[PBS Poll-435]

84. .

:-)

Find peace.

[terrya]

138. Well now, that's not up to you, is it?

Thank goodness.

[Beacool]

77. Oh the drama, the constant drama on this board!!!!

Hey ProSense, I know that you despise the Clintons, but the Washington Times????? Why don't you just quote the Freepers? How many negative threads have you opened in the last couple of weeks since the SOS rumors started? Probably a dozen at least.

Many of us received letters requesting authorization to transfer the funds to her senate campaign. The money transferred was money that she couldn't legally use in the primary, it had to be used in the GE. Since she had conceded, donors were asked for permission to transfer those funds for her senate reelection campaign. All perfectly legal.

I wish some of you would go after the Republicans with as much virulence as you go against a fellow Democrat.

Disgusting and pathetic..........

x(

[wyldwolf]

89. wish I could K&R a reply. But this won't matter to mob in this thread

.. the mob typically marked by ignorance and naivety.

[Beacool]

98. The ignorance on this thread is just amazing.

Read the idiot replies. They know nothing, zip, zero, nada, about campaign finance laws and they comment without rhyme or reason.

When I tried to explain to them why the money was transferred to her reelection campaign they STILL continue with their inane remarks because it doesn't fit their preconceived notions.

Man, William Safire was correct. He once wrote an article on the gullibility and ignorance of Americans and he concluded: "We are a nation of nitwits".

How right he was.........

:eyes:

[ProSense]

101. "Read the idiot replies. They know nothing, zip, zero, nada, about campaign finance laws"

I presume, you're an expert?

[Beacool]

106. I come from a family of politicians and diplomats.

So yeah, I have a working knowledge of campaign finance laws. Aside from having worked in quite a few campaigns and having held many fundraisers over the years.

The point is that people spew nonsense simply because it fits their preconceived notions of a person and there's no use trying to correct the record because they couldn't care less.

[Ozma]

115. It would help us out a lot more if you would just explain it...

in simple words we nitwits will all understand.

[madfloridian]

137. I am a blithering idiot. Please explain using simple words..

that I don't have to look up in a dictionary.

[NoodleyAppendage]

131. Gullability and ignorance of Americans is reflected in the cadre of Clinton deniers around here.

Simple facts:

Clinton got her ass handed to her in the primary.

Clinton owes a shitload of money.

Clinton is fudging the deadline dates for the FEC to free up cash.

Clinton thinks she is still relevant.

[ProSense]

103. "Why don't you just quote the Freepers? "

Why don't you just ignore the thread?

[Beacool]

108. Why don't you stop bashing the Clintons in most of your threads?

I get that you are not a fan, but this constant harping of one of our best party leaders is a turn off. How about if someone opened thread after thread attacking Obama? How would that be productive and conducive to a constructive interchange of ideas on this board?

[grantcart]

117. Well Beacool everyone needs a hobby

I wonder how many hours a day it takes to comb through and find the most virulent anti-Clinton news possible.



But Beacool you have missed the main point.



As Senator Clinton became President Elect's number one surrogate and highest ranking cabinent appointee (assumed) all of these posts in fact also reflect negatively on President Elect Obama.


Its a twofer- Insult Clinton and Obama with the same post.

[Beacool]

121. I never thought of it that way.

Insult one and you indirectly insult the other. Good one, I'll have to try it later.

I'm getting used to the idea of Hillary as SOS. I would have preferred that she stayed away from his cabinet. In the senate she's her own person and has her own constituency. I'm not comfortable with her taking a job where she serves at the president's pleasure. But, It's obviously her decision to make and I do think that she would do a great job. Only time will tell how good they work together.

;)

[grantcart]

122. She didn't sign on to become Secretary of State

She joined to become the best Secretary of State in American History.


With her steely ambition and Obama's charisma outside the US there will be new opportunities. A final peace between Palestine and Israel is now closer.

[Beacool]

124. OK, that sounds great.

Both Clintons are very popular and respected overseas. Hillary brings instant credibility to the job and Obama is also popular, so it should be a win-win situation for both of them and the nation.

;-)

[LostinVA]

142. I haven't missed that point -- at all

[Skip Intro]

125. AMEN. nt

[NoodleyAppendage]

130. What's disgusting and pathetic is how you can excuse this WEASEL BEHAVOR by Clinton.

What she did was weasel behavior and you know it, but your blind devotion to Clinton has clouded your ability to see anything but through Clinton rose-colored glasses. It really must chap your hide that she got her ass kicked in the primary.

J

[JVS]

82. Does this mean the concession wasn't true and that those opposing a floor vote had a point?

Just a catharsis, my hairy ass!

[bvar22]

83. No problem.....

All Hillary has to do is get each one of her "18 Million supporters" to pony up .50 cents each.
:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

88. K&R

[wyldwolf]

90. I'm trying to find another source spinning this the way the Washington Times and Prosence are...

...and I'm coming up empty.

Can someone point me to one?

[wyldwolf]

91. "The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."

- Sun Myung Moon in 2002.

[ProSense]

93. "spinning this the way the Washington Times and Prosence are..."?

Yeah, the Washington Times has me on a retainer. Moronic.

[wyldwolf]

97. um, yeah, considering you should know what the Washington Times are about..

You didn't post this as a public service announcement or else you would have found a more reputable source. You posted it to add to your vendetta against Clinton and her appointment as SOS.

The only question remaining is do you believe the Washington Times or are you just hoping folks here will?

[ProSense]

99. "You didn't post this as a public service announcement "

Wow, police much?

[wyldwolf]

102. dodge much?

:rofl:

Washington Times... bwahahahahaha!

[ProSense]

104. Doesn't change much, does it? n/t

[wyldwolf]

105. no it doesn't. Every day, the same old some old from you.

[Skwmom]

94. Another fact that points to SOS being the result of a brokered deal.

Remember, the race was close until the economy and financial markets tanked.

John Bolton predicted in July that Clinton would probably get SOS. Do you think it was just a lucky guess? In Newsweek they reported, that the Clintons were playing hardball at the Democratic Convention. So what exactly did they get in return to back off and keep Bill on his leash?

[Max_powers94]

95. Hmmm

John Bolton predicted in July that Clinton would probably get SOS. Do you think it was just a lucky guess? that is a good questions!!!!!!!

[ProSense]

109. More on Hillary's debt

Hillary's $7.5 Million Problem

ABC News' Tahman Bradley Reports: Hillary Clinton continues to carry $7.5 million of debt owed to vendors from her failed presidential bid which ended in early June, her campaign finance report covering the month of October shows.

Even though the election is over, Clinton can continue to raise money for unpaid bills, as long as contributors clearly designate their contributions as being specially for retiring presidential campaign debt. There's no time limit on how long a candidate can carry debt.

The campaign retired a few hundred thousands dollars of debt in October after bringing in $774,299 last month.

Clinton lost all opportunities to get back the $13.1 million in personal money she loaned the campaign. Campaign finance law restricts the amount of time a candidate can pay back personal loans in an effort to limit candidates from self-financing campaigns. Clinton needed to pay herself back by the final day of the Democratic convention.

If Clinton accepts the position of Secretary of State, or some other post in the Obama administration, she would be barred by The Hatch Act of 1939 from soliciting and receiving political contributions. The Clinton campaign organization, however, can continue to raise money for the purpose of retiring debt even if the senator accepts an appointed position in government. Raising a small amount of money from loyal donors without help from Clinton might be doable, but raising $7.5 million without the candidate seems like a tall order.

Campaign finance law is pretty flexible in a candidate's ability to retire debt after a presidential election is over and a little innovative campaign treasury maneuvering could yield a faster way for Clinton to erase most of the remaining debt. On August 28, Clinton's Senate account received $6.4 million in contributions that were first designated for the presidential campaign for use in the general election. That money could theoretically be transferred back to the presidential campaign and used to knock out vendor debt.

The Clinton presidential campaign this week was still hunting for help with unpaid bills, sending supporters an e-mail asking for money.

Her Senate campaign committee, which had $6 million in the bank at the end of September, could agree to pay off her presidential campaign debts.

The Senate account received $6.5 million in donations from supporters who initially had given the money to finance Clinton's general-election campaign had she won the Democratic presidential nomination. They gave the money instead to her Senate campaign rather than request a refund.

link

Looks like Hillary's own supporters don't want to help pay off her debt.

The question is is the $6.5 million still there?

[wyldwolf]

110. Is it a revelation to anyone Clinton has debt?

:shrug:

[ProSense]

113. Are people questioning whether or not the transfer to her Senate campaign was made? n/t

[wyldwolf]

116. is there some doubt as to the legality of that? No...

[Alter Ego]

114. I'm having a hard time ginning up outrage over this, seeing as how we won the election.

[Ozma]

119. I think folks are worried that this Clinton debt hocus pocus could ..

shed a bad light on the Obama administration's pick of Hillary to be S o S.

[thewiseguy]

118. Washington Times? Just when I thought you could not go any lower

:rofl:

[QC]

139. Fear not! This one can go way lower.

There are still Chelsea and Socks the Cat to go after, you know.

[ProSense]

145. Have you proved the story inaccurate?

Laughing doens't count.

There are legitimate concerns about Hillary's debt

[11 Bravo]

120. And in a related story The Weekly World News reports that Hillary gave birth to Batboy.

[SIMPLYB1980]

123. LoL! The HORROR!

:rofl:

[Beacool]

126. Hey, that wasn't true??????????

You just broke my heart........that was almost as bad as finding out that Santa didn't exist.

:cry:

[gort]

127. The War is Over

Either way, we were better off when the Clintons were in power.

I support Obama for having the foresight to keep the Clintons where he needs them.


"Let it go, Indy"

[wisteria]

147. Obama was suppose to be a visionary and very smart. He shouldn't need to fall back on

the Clinton's and give them back their power structure. They ruined our party in many ways and prevented us from progressing.

[Metric System]

148. ClintonS. No apostrophe.

[cboy4]

128. You should start a campaign to revoke your vote for Obama!

:rofl:

[ProSense]

129. Why? He's likely to be one of the greatest Presidents ever. n/t

[dailykoff]

141. Let's hope so.

Starting out with a Clinton stinkfest does not bode well.

[wisteria]

146. Oh, I can not agree more. He may do very well domestically and

the choice of the Clinton's to represent our interests overseas will be his downfall. The Clinton's have a reputation of looking out for their best interests and no matter what they agree to now, when they take advantage and lie, they will twist it and lawyer their way out of it.

[LostinVA]

143. But you honestly think so very little of him and his judgement

How can you stand having voted for him???

[ProSense]

144. You have no idea what you're talking about. n/t

[LostinVA]

149. Well, yes, I do -- you can't have it both ways on this issue