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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:01 PM
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Facts about "so many bitter and angry progressives" on DU
I've read a couple of posts today about there being "so many" bitter and angry progressives against Obama, and about "all the Hillary haters" on DU.

I wondered how I could possibly have missed "so many" Hillary hater posts. I saw some posts questioning appointments, but nothing to imply bitterness or anger, and most certainly not hatred. Quite the opposite...I have noticed more the posts coming out AGAINST other posts that question anything or even imply that the Clinton SOS appointment is anything other than grand.

So I took a look at the latest posts. Ahhhhh, I thought. Here's why I didn't notice "so many" angry and bitter progressive posts. Following are the latest posts. I consider one as being critical of an appointment. Maybe one other questions some of the appointments, by discussing them, but doesn't criticize. But there are at least FOUR that strongly criticize any posts that criticize appointments, and specifically, Hillary's, and in so doing outright use the words, "hate" "angry," and "bitter."

Obama goes sandwich shopping in Chicago (Nov 21)

Don't ever forget, The LAST EIGHT YEARS is what FISCAL CONSERVATISM looks like.

To all those who worked for Obama to keep Hillary from controlling Foreign Policy.... (A QUESTIONING OF THE HILLARY APPT.)

45 years ago today, JFK was assassinated in Dallas, where were you?

Clarence Thomas takes up case against Obama -- re: citizenship

Angry progressives = kook fringe (A POST CRITICIZING PROGRESSIVES)

This is what's wrong with Progressives

Oy vey! Sun-Times OpEd on Michelle Obama's butt "it is a solid, round, black, class-A boo-tay"

Richardson may be Commerce Sec'y. It's good he'll be in the cabinet...but I feel sorry for him.

So now that we're all one happy family enjoying watching Prez Obama put together his stellar cabinet (A POST CRITICIZING ANY CRITICISMS)

Joe Conason: Get over it, Clinton haters (A POST CRITICIZING ANY CRITICISMS)

The Republican Party in its Last Throes...who woulda thought...Damn..In our life time too

HRC campaign sale: Everything must go!

I'm trying real hard to think who'll be TIME's Person of the Year

Now that the election's over will we ever know the truth?

Will Obama's new church be the Washington National Cathedral

"Husband's Charity Would Raise Issues for a Secretary Clinton"

I remember you from the General Election. (A POST CRITICIZING CRITICISMS)

Franken is now down by only 115 votes on the recount

Is Georgie Bush planning to flee to Paraguay?

Prepare to be Palin'd

None of the Cabinet Positions are "Official", yet. Here Are Some Progressives Under Consideration

Bush: "You know, when I campaigned for office, I said I was for change"

Remember my R friends? Need some things to ease worried brows here.



It goes to show ya...sometimes when you are looking for a lot of angry, bitter people, you tend to find them, and overlook the majority who are not.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:03 PM
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1. So, today's posts are proof that there were never any "Hillary hater" posts?
:rofl:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:07 PM
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4. As your grade school teacher told you, please read carefully. Did the author
ever say there were never any Hillary-hater posts? Read it carefully.

Your full book report is due next week.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:09 PM
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6. Oh, please.
If you haven't seen any of them, you haven't been on DU. Simple as that.

One sees what one wants to see.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:09 PM
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23. It seems that was exactly the point the OP was making,duh!
You see what you wanna!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:38 PM
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18. Please define "proof". I think you'll find many DUers quite conversant on the nature of proof. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:04 PM
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2. You need to go back and look at threads posted on the day
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:05 PM by Gman
some of these picks were announced. The day Rahm Emmanuel was announced, some went ape shit. Same on the day Daschle announced. There were the usual expected threads about Hillary the day it became known she was being considered for SOS and yesterday.

This is why I think GD: P should be renamed GD:W&C, or GD:Whine and Complain
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:21 PM
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11. Why does it NOT matter that there ARE posters who have a vested interest in going ape shit
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 PM by patrice
over whatever they can go ape shit over.

I think the proportion of this kind of DU-er is higher than many people think. It's ALL about ape-shitness for them and not a thing else.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:25 PM
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13. Not an accusation: I might add that there are ape shit posters AND posters who support their
ape shitness, without actually going ape shit themselves.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:33 PM
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15. Should the main GD then be renamed to GD: LB.
General Discussion: Lockstep Brownshirts?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:57 PM
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28. Hey! Lookie Here! We found one!
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:06 PM
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3. I seriously don't have something against Mrs. Clinton. I think she's a capable, strong
person... she's tough because no one has let her be less... not the media, not us, not anyone. High expectations follow her everywhere. But they are supposed to do for the people, by the people, of the people.. so, they should comply within the confines of the constitution.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:08 PM
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5. What does progressive mean?
Who are you to define what it means?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:13 PM
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7. Posts that criticize criticisms work against this website which is my criticism of the critics.
:evilgrin:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:14 PM
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8. I had decided to stop bitching about a warhawk SoS - hoping she'll get Nuclear Arms reductions forUS
Probably I feel she is inevitable, but now (because of your OP) I'm wondering HOW I came to feel that it is inevitable.

Not bitter and angry YET, but . . . .
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:17 PM
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9. Well-said.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:17 PM by ClarkUSA
Kudos to your wisdom and for your stand on another thread that serves only to further divide us.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:40 PM
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29. Let's see...my stand is...everyone has a rt. to an opinion w/o criticism, as long as they don't
express hatred or diviseness. Example: Your post, which doesn't really address the subject matter, now, does it? It only...let's see...what's the word....oh, yeah...CRITICIZES another poster for an opinion.

I guess I know why you don't fully appreciate the OP.

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:41 PM
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30. Oh, and BTW...I support Clinton as the SOS appointee, now. And his other appointments.
And I fully support those who have a different opinion. Doesn't mean they hate the appointee or the appointer.

See how it works when you're grown up?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:17 PM
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10. It's a Deliberate Talking Point to Stifle Criticism
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:24 PM by fascisthunter
most who distrust her or critcize her here, do so due to her political leanings, and connections to big business as well as her involvement with the DLC.

Hatred has no rational... therefore if they say you criticize her out of hatred, you are being irrational ad no one should take heed of your criticism. It's the same type of condescending attitude one gets when criicizing the many screwed up policies of Bush... "You jsut hate him!"...

Right... I have no real reason to disagree with him... I just hate him... ok.:eyes:

On the other hand, I'm sure there are trolls who want to criticize her out of hatred... that does not mean all those who criticize her are trolls or filled with irrational hatred.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 PM
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12. Yes, similar to freepers using "Bush haters" to demonize anyone who criticized their Dear Leader.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:27 PM by ClarkUSA
Thank Gawd Hillary lost! Otherwise, PUMAs and James Carville/Mark Penn/ Harold Wolfson/DLC acolytes would be running
rampant here instead of hiding out at PUMA websites and running here to post their poison occasionally.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:44 PM
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31. They ARE running rampant
Look at all the goddamn gloating threads because of a rumor that someone might be Secretary of State.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:30 PM
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14. 'kooks' and 'progressive' aren't interchangeable
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:32 PM by lunatica
And neither is 'angry' and 'progressive'. This progressive hasn't posted a single angry or kook comment. And I don't think too many other progressives have either.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:35 PM
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16. The haters from the primaries have reemerged from their mothers basements...
...to entertain us with the latest episode of their public descent into madness.

Now they are pissed at Obama too. Isn't hate and anger just deliciously irrational!!

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:41 PM
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19. Oh, have PUMAs come back to DU again?
That's Hillaryous, coming from you.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:54 PM
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21. I've never supported Hillary
You just dont get it, do you?

:rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:03 PM
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22. Sure you didn't.
:eyes:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:24 PM
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24. You are reduced to flailing
Find a single post where I have supported Hillary, doesn't exist. Go back as far as you wish, years even, I dare you.

I will continue, however, to defend her and others from outright bigotry. Doncha just hate that?

I just hate bigots of all stripes and I enjoy their agonizing. Im weird like that, so sue me!

:rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:54 PM
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25. Your use of demonizing language against all who do not revere the Clintons is noted.
:eyes:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:05 PM
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26. Suit yourself
:rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:46 PM
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32. Ah, such wit.
:eyes:
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:37 PM
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17. It's time all of America and American's to love one another.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:39 PM by quidam56
Give peace a chance. I am one of the Progressives who loves Obama/Biden, am a bitter, frustrated, angry, clinging to my guns and religion American. This will go on through Obama's first term, but it's a beginning. Come see Third World Appalachia, Virginia, USA thanks to Presidebt Bush.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:48 PM
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20. Hello quidam56! Is Wise County into Elder Care issues?
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 01:01 PM by patrice

:hi: :hi: :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:17 PM
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27. Yelling "hater" & variations thereof in a drive-by is easier than engaging in substantive discussion
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 03:18 PM by AtomicKitten
Some simply cannot endure a difference of opinion. Yelling "hater" is a manipulate ploy to stymie a discussion that don't want to have.
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