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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:49 PM
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The Obamas have selected Sidwell Friends
for their daughters' education. According to David Shuster on MSNBC.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:49 PM
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1. good choice, but why is this public information? nt
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:52 PM
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8. Don't really know, but it would be nearly impossible to keep
secret. You couldn't keep hundreds of schoolmates from spilling the beans for more than 1 minute. IIRC, Chelsea Clinton went there, too.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:04 PM
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26. The schools of the children of presidents are always always known - it's general knowledge nt
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:19 PM
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38. It's great PR for the school
I'm sure the administration couldn't wait to crow about it.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:50 PM
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2. $30,000.00 per child for tuition.. Man, that's my entire sallary for the year.
Guess, it does pay to be President.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:51 PM
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4. Expect attacks from Ron Christie and Company
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:54 PM
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12. I don't blame them, if I had the choice, my child would attend the most prestigious
schools I could afford.. I can't.. so its public school and paying attention... AND really, it would be too dangerous for them to attend a public school.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:54 PM
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11. That's not an uncommon amount for this level of school...
my SIL is Chief Development (fundraising) officer for a similar school in CT, and they are definitely in the same ballpark.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:09 PM
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29. And how much tax dollars tracking down those girls if someone nabs them?
Sidwell has been the school of choice for several children of presidents including Chelsea Clinton and children of both Nixon and Eisenhowser.

So clearly this is a school that has the capacity to provide a great education for their children and protect them from harm that might be out there looking for them.

Malia and Sasha were not elected by us nor does it matter where they go to school except someplace where the Obamas feel they can best be protected and received a good education.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:13 PM
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33. I understand private school.. and I agree with it.. It just puts my value in perspective.
And everyday, as I age, I realize how insignificant I am in this world.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:17 PM
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35. Something I found on wiki about this school
38% of the school is minorities and 21% of the school receives financial assistance to attend.

Sidwell's is part of the Quaker education system which are excellent schools. And although Quakers are a religion, we're (cause I'm one too) some of the most liberal of Christians out there. And they don't impose their faith within the school systems.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:32 PM
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41. good for them.....
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:31 PM
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59. he can afford it with the salery of the president
and its his money... so why not?

60grand a year is a drop in the bucket when everything else in ur life is payed for AND you have a high salery.

i do it for my kids as well.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:29 PM
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61. it pays to be wealthy
you don't need to be the president to be able to afford 30k/yr/child
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:50 PM
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3. Here come the politicizers, on the Left AND the Right.
Anyone who politicizes a family decision concerning a 10 year old and a 7 year old's school choice should be ashamed of themselves.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:51 PM
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5. Same school that Chelsea Clinton went to. Good for them.
:thumbsup:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:19 PM
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37. OHH NOES!!!! JUST ANOTHER CLINTON TERM!!!
:P
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lessthanjake1234 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:51 PM
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6. Argh I hate Sidwell
I always had to debate against people from there, and they were pretty good.

I dont actually understand why its 30,000 dollars a year and considered so amazing. I've been there and the facilities are nothing special. I guess the teachers must rock.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:53 PM
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10. That figure is a bit high... have they turned out any famous
scholars besides Chelsea? :shrug:
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:59 PM
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18. Yep they sure have... (from wikipedia)
Notable alumni of Sidwell Friends include:

* Anne Applebaum ('82), journalist and author
* Jon Bernthal ('95), actor
* Ann Brashares ('85), author of The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants series of books
* Oteil Burbridge ('82), bassist for the Allman Brothers Band
* Setsuko Chichibu ('28), Princess of Japan
* Chelsea Clinton ('97), daughter of former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton
* Tricia Nixon Cox ('64) daughter of former President Richard Nixon<2>
* Barney Frank, current member of U.S. Congress.
* John Dickerson ('87), journalist, political commentator, and writer.
* John Deutch ('56), CIA Director, MIT professor
* Margaret Edson ('79), Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Wit
* Dan Froomkin ('81), journalist and Washington Post columnist
* Roger W. Ferguson, Jr. ('69), Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman
* Ana Gasteyer ('85), actress
* Doug Gansler ('81), State's Attorney for Montgomery County, Maryland (1999—2007), Attorney General of the State of Maryland, (2007- )
* Charles Gibson, ABC World News Tonight anchor, former host of ABC's Good Morning America.
* Walter Gilbert ('49), Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry
* Paul Goldstein ('94), professional tennis player, 4-time NCAA Champion and All-American at Stanford, 2-time USTA 18 & Under national champion.
* James K Glassman ('65), editorialist, syndicated columnist, and author
* Hanna Holborn Gray ('47 or '48), historian and Provost of Yale University and later the President of University of Chicago
* William Henry Harrison ('14 or '15), Republican Representative from Wyoming (note: this was President William Henry Harrison's great-great-grandson)
* Clara Jeffery ('85), Editor of Mother Jones magazine
* John Katzenbach ('68), author
* Philip S. Khoury ('67), Ford International Professor of History & Associate Provost, MIT
* Jair Lynch ('89), Gymnast, 1996 Olympic Silver Medalist in parallel bars
* Campbell McGrath ('80), poet and winner of the MacArthur Foundation "Genius Award"
* Daniel Mudd ('76), CEO of Fannie Mae
* Bill Nye ('73), television personality and scientist
* Archibald Roosevelt ('12?), son of Theodore Roosevelt
* Susan Shreve, professor, author and novelist
* Andrew Szanton ('81), author, memoir collaborator
* Oleg Alexandrovich Troyanovsky, Soviet ambassador to the United Nations
* Robin Weigert ('87), actress
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:19 PM
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36. I'm sure they have small class sizes. Teachers' salaries are the biggest item
of the budget in a school like this.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:51 PM
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7. Sidwell is a great school from what I have heard from the wealthy locals.
I think Chelsea went there, right?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:56 PM
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14. I think Georgetown Day would have been better
but it's their decision, so whatever.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:05 PM
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27. Agreed - on both points
...we can't remake the Obamas in our own progressive image.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:58 PM
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16. That's my recollection, too.
It has a great reputation among the private school mavens. My SIL works in this field, and as I'm also in an Education-related field, we talk about them often. She says it's definitely top tier.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:52 PM
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9. Great choice. I have a friend that teaches there.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:55 PM
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13. TERRIFIC school
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:56 PM
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15. Yay!
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 04:58 PM by Patsy Stone
The Middle School is completely green. Good on them.

http://www.sidwell.edu/green_tour/
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:01 PM
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22. That's a HUGE trend in private day schools.
My SIL's school also has a big push to produce their own energy, developing a vegetable garden for spring, BIG outdoor education focus.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:33 PM
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56. That's a good thing
I happened to see a TV program on Sidwell Friends last week. It's amazing what they've done, and it's wonderful to see how serious they are about it.

:thumbsup:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:58 PM
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17. That is a PNAC, School of Americas training ground. What kind of change is that? I'm Outraged!!!!1
:argh:





:rofl:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:03 PM
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24. Yep they can grow up and become hedge fund managers
just like Chelsea. It's inspiring work.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/real-work-clint.html

The former first lady's daughter, Chelsea Clinton, works for New York-based hedge fund Avenue Capital Group. She previously worked in New York for McKinsey & Company, her first job after graduating with her master's degree from Oxford University.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:35 PM
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44. Are you suggesting that there's something wrong with that?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:59 PM
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19. Well, this is their decision. They chose what they thought was best for their daughters and
it should not be criticized (though I am sure some will).
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:59 PM
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20. Not a surprise
Georgetown Day probably came across as too progressive for them.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:25 PM
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49. Rant all you want sweetie
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 06:32 PM by JoFerret
These are both wonderful schools and neither of them could be called "traditional". However - GDS is a more "progressive" on most educational scales. I do know quite a bit about both of these wonderful schools.

I am sorry you are so ignorant that you need to rant on this rather unimportant matter. But - as you clearly do not know - there ARE differences between the two schools. In NYC it would be the difference between Trinity and Dalton or Riverdale and Fieldston. All great schools. Similar picks in Chicago and other big cities.

Fact is - the Obama children will probably succeed wherever they go to school.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:00 PM
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21. I sent my daughter the best Private high school in California
which was also rated 6th best in the nation in the WSJ's latest ranking.
http://niketalk.yuku.com/topic/23413


She's in her last year at Harvard today.

Investing in education does have its pay offs.

I say that as an African-Americn (actually French bi-racial) who
grew up understanding what a superior education is the only
answer to overcoming racial barriers....for which Barack Obama
has proven accurate.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:10 PM
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30. isnt' it amazing how much they cost - almost as much as some good colleges
I have to decide where to send my son to high school - and the secular private high schools here are in the 20s. That's a lot of money!


I'd rather pay for education than for an expensive house or car, though.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:28 PM
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40. When I decided to put my daughter into a private high school
(because of academic needs that couldn't be met in any of the public high schools), I told a neighbor that I'd rather spend the money on her education than on remodeling the kitchen or something. "WHY?" she said, looking shocked. I was kind of shocked that any parent in that situation wouldn't feel that way.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:36 PM
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45. i used to get the same reaction from my neighbors who tapped their homes to buy
land yachts and pools.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:43 PM
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47. Yeah, this particular family also took expensive vacations twice a year,
which we never did. And drove nice newer cars! (Often our youngest car was more than 10 years old.)

I always explained to my kids that we were saving our money so they would have more options for education instead, and even as young kids they understood this.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:34 PM
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51. we have paid for private school for about 8 years, my son is in 7th now
so that he could go to a good, small, kind elementary school that has progressive values.


That's more important to me than fancy stuff - I always say the only newer furniture we have around here, other than the couch - is bookcases!


:rofl:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:26 PM
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55. You can never have too many
bookcases, can you?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:22 PM
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63. not as far as I am concerned


:hi:


I'm always stunned when I go to people's homes and see no books.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:40 PM
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52. I feel the same way.
I don't have kids, but when I do, they won't be stepping one foot into a Georgia public school. I will make the necessary sacrifices for their future.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:40 PM
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46. Exactly.....
My husband and I certainly did sacrifice!

Not too many shoes in my closet!

The school cost $23,000 per year at the time.
18 students on average per class.
and unlimited resources, ski trips, and an excellent extra curriculum programs.

For Applicants, getting into that school had a smaller success rate than getting into Harvard....
cause the graduating classes were teeny; 80 on the average at that school.

It wasn't called The College Preparatory School without good reason.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:13 PM
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32. You are very right in your view about investment in education making
a big difference. My nephews, who both graduated from a private day school, are both doing very well in large part as a result of their exposure to progressive and creative education. The younger one is being recruited (as a Junior) by more than 20 colleges and universities. Among them are Ivy League schools and the Naval Academy (which he visited and has decided NOT to attend.) He'll have a commitment by January 1st somewhere.

I can't speak to the specifics of helping to overcome racial barriers, but it seems to me that it would be a positive factor. Congratulations on your daughter's achievement, and in your wisdom and foresight in investing in her bright future! As an educator, it would be my fondest dream to be able to provide that level of quality education to every student, the cost be damned. :hi:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:59 PM
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54. Ah - "the best"
The best is not the best.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:02 PM
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23. I think its a security thing more than anything else
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 05:03 PM by galaxy21
I'm sure they would have liked a public school, but a private one makes it easier for the secret service.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:04 PM
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25. I wish they would have gone public
Not realistic I know, but I hope they at least considered it. In Britain two years ago it was a big deal when one of the Labour Party ministers had her kids in private school. A different situation I know, but I like that sentiment.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:06 PM
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28. They considered
but considering the state of DC public schools, it was obvious that they would go private.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:11 PM
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31. I think it's more the level of security
Sidwell has smaller classes which would make it easier to protect those girls. And this has been a school used to educating the children of presidents. Not only did Chelsea go there but so did children of Nixon and Eisenhowser.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:33 PM
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43. I don't. I don't think kids should be used as political pawns or to make
political points. Picking a school based on anything other than the girls' individual needs would be unfair to them. They're going to have to make huge adjustments as it is.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:38 PM
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62. exactly right.
:applause:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:20 PM
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39. OMG!! another Clinton influence!! Chelsea went to Sidwell Friends.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:33 PM
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42. Didn't Chelsea go there? Its a great place.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:53 PM
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48. Good choice. Long history of
protecting the privacy of kids of famous people.





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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:30 PM
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50. Biden's grandkids go there.
Malia apparently has made friends with one of them and wanted to go to Sidwell.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/?hpid=artslot
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:26 PM
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58. Oh I didn't know
the Biden grand kids are at Sidwell. That's good. Sleepovers at the White House would be so cool!

I'm so looking forward to our White House being a real family home again, full of light, laughter and children. It's been such a dark, almost foreboding place of late.

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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:42 PM
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53. GDS (Georgetown..
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 06:44 PM by livedemocarticordie
Day was in the finals but not chosen which does not surprise me. My son goes there and it is very progressive including a Fairness to gay, bi and transgendered persons assembly. The school puts alot of emphasis on peace, equality and social justice starting in the lower grades. They also have a more diverese racially and ethnically teacher corp and more gays teacher at both the lower and high school. Tuition is same as Sidwell, crazy high.Sidwell is a safer choice with a history of taking in presidential kids and it will get mucch less scrutiny by the right for its elite Quaker background. GDS does not have alot of repub kids and parents and was founded by wealthy Jewish and Black families whose kids were not accepted into many of DC's private schools in the 40s and 50s. Mary Landrieu's son attends, Eric Holders daughter too.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:11 PM
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60. GDS is a good school too but I think SF is much safer.
They have just about any other school beat by a mile on that end.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:52 PM
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57. Same School Amy Carter Went To.
I knew people there - it's a great school. Quaker, tolerant but moral.
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