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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:59 AM
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Who else does Obama owe a job to?
He has rewarded those who supported him:
Hillary
Janet
Tom


If his approach is to select good people who supported him -- hope to see

Bill
Howard
Claire

somewhere soon!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:04 AM
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1. I think its ironic that Hillary gets more credit for supporting Obama than Howard does.
He gets no respect.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:33 AM
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15. Dean may be one of the most underrated Democrats.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:58 AM
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28. Dean should have been nominated for HHS
Instead of "I lobbied for health care corporations" Daschle.

Rp
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:11 AM
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30. I agree 100%
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:04 AM
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2. Claire needs to remain in the Senate
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:38 AM
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17. She sure does.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:07 AM
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3. You are assuming that he is making his decisions on whom he supposedly owes, rather than
who he feels is best for the job.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:11 AM
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6. You are right. I guess maybe they could be one in the same?
but it does seems like a pattern is emerging. I'm not criticizing - just noticing.

There is probably a lot to be said about building a team with loyalists! He will be
setting the vision, tone, and direction. Not what I expected -- but not necessarily
bad.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:22 AM
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10. Loyalists? His pick for Chief of Stafff was the ONLY Democractic Congressman from Illinios to back
Hillary in the primaries.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:30 AM
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13. I thought Rahm was neutral.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 08:36 AM by ErinBerin84
He had said that he would support Hillary for president a couple of years ago, but was torn between her and Obama when he decided to run, so he did not endorse anyone. I had heard or read that some Clinton people "suspected" he leaned toward Obama and were bitter about that.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:36 AM
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16. No, he supported Hillary:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:40 AM
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18. isn't that the "couple of years ago" that I referenced?
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 08:46 AM by ErinBerin84
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

"2008 Election
Emanuel declared in April 2006 that he would support Hillary Rodham Clinton should she pursue the presidency in 2008. Emanuel remained close to Bill Clinton since leaving the White House, talking strategy with him at least once a month as chairman of the DCCC.<13> However, Emanuel's loyalties came into conflict when his home-state senator Barack Obama expressed interest in the race; asked in January 2007 about his stance on the Democratic presidential nomination, he said: "I'm hiding under the desk. I'm very far under the desk, and I'm bringing my paper and my phone."<32> Emanuel remained neutral in the race until June 4, 2008, the day after the final primary contests, when he endorsed the eventual winner Obama.<33>"
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:33 AM
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25. Then it would still be quite a streatch to classify him as an Obama 'loyalist'
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:36 AM
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26. yes, I wouldn't and didn't classify him as that.
Also, Biden was neutral, so (to reiterate your original point), he didn't choose VP according to who he may have owed (to someone like Tim Kaine).
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:09 AM
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4. I hope he gives the unemployed in America a job.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:11 AM
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5. Huh? Hillary started supported him when every other Democrat started supporting him.
Why don't you tell us who he shuold pick that didn't support him?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:12 AM
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7. He should not pick his cabinet based on who supported him, but
if you are using that criteria as part of a checklist, no one campaigned harder than Clinton.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:28 AM
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12. No, sorry, that wasn't what I meant to say. I'm not
saying his approach is bad in any way. There's a lot to be said about being
surrounded by competent loyalists. But, it is a different approach than finding supreme experts,
regardless of affiliation.

But, it is possible, that the strong support Hillary and Bill showed at the end of the GE
was quid pro quo for SOS, isn't it? Maybe not. Maybe they just "got over it". Maybe they
believed that Obama had to win for the good of the country. There's no doubt there was a
marked change in Bill's demeanor - for the good. And they said a deal on SOS had been struck
for some time.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:43 AM
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21. Actually, Hillary and Bill asked the SD's who supported Obama to refrain from announcing for Obama
until the primaries were over; and many complied.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:17 AM
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8. Using that logic... I'd have to say... "ME". n/t
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:20 AM
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9. lol. me 2. Hope that's remembered when they look at resumes.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:28 AM
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11. Intelligence, experience, loyalty and trust.
If I were choosing his cabinet, these would be the top qualifications.
It appears that he thinks the same way I do.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:32 AM
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14. He doesn't appear to be playing your game of rewards but who he really wants in an office
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:46 AM
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22. Kerry was one of the first really big SD's to announce for Obama. So, if Obama.
were playing strictly on rewarding loyalty, Kerry would already have a huge position. I do think Obama may have made a deal with Hillary sometime around the Convention, though.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:50 AM
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23. Yes, you are right. Kerry didn't get tapped, yet, anyway - but he's
going to be chairman of foreign relations - good spot, if he couldn't have state. I didn't say it was stictly on loyalty - there's also a lot to be said for having people you know very well.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:41 AM
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19. I don't think he's "rewarding" anyone. He seems to be picking the
people he wants in his administration.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:57 AM
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24. not mutually exclusive. He could like them, want them, and be
rewarding them for support. This is the route he chose. It is just not
the route of picking the preeminent authorities or experts in a field
regardless of affiliations. Are there people who know more about health
care than Daschle? (Hillary or Howard comes to mind) More about homeland security than Napolatano?
(Richard Clark comes to mind). Hard to argue that there aren't, isn't it?
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:42 AM
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20. Me! Mememememememe!!!!
He owes his job to all those who supported him,

and all those who voted for him.

Nevertheless, he's got to work for all of us.

After all he really can't do any worse than our present screwball.
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:57 AM
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27. Dean
If it weren't for Howard and his 50 state strategy Obama wouldn't have won. And a lot of Senators and Congressmen would't have won either.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:58 AM
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29. Claire McCaskill will be better served in the Senate...Missouri is
not an overly-Dem state, and she's needed as an ally there.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:21 PM
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31. It's just very obvious to me that he had to make a deal with the DLC/neoliberal
faction of the Democratic Party leadership (which has never represented the interests of the majority of the party--or of the country, for that matter), when he started winning caucus primaries (notably NOT counted by Diebold & brethren), in order to get favorably vetted by the global corporate predators who rule over us and not get whacked by them (literally or by the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies or Bushwhack NSA spies/dirty trickers). If Obama's team learned nothing else from Howard Dean, they learned what a "scream" tape can do.

And all the turkeys are coming home to roost. And they all point to a "free trade" deal for the Colombian death squadders and drug lords. This is the linchpin of Donald Rumsfeld's strategy* of economic warfare against the countries with the oil in South America (Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia) and for 'divide and conquer' among their leftist allies--most of South America--Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, et al. The only two countries that are NOT allies of the Bolvirians are the fascist pigs running Colombia who love the U.S. corpo/fascists and even whack poor youths and dress them up like FARC guerrillas, to up their "body count" for their masters in Washington DC, and the corrupt 'free tradists' in Peru (with the 20% approval rating). And then, after economic warfare has destroyed these governments, Rumsfeld urges "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies in South America." This latter would be the fascist coup plotters in Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia, who are actively working on secessionist movements (to split off the oil rich provinces into fascist mini-states in control of the main resources).

Enriching the rich fascists in Colombia, and larding them with military aid, is the key to this Rumsfeld strategy.

Colombia knows how to take care of their "labor problem," too. The DLC wants to learn from them. Over forty union leaders whacked this year alone, by rightwing death squads. And, hey, Chiquita got the score up to four thousand murders of union leaders over a seven year period, by paying $1.7 million to rightwing Colombia death squads, and their execs got a "get out of jail free card" for this horrendous carnage, through the kind offices of none other than their corporate attorney, Eric Holder.

And guess who had a paid agent of the Colombian government as her chief campaign strategist?

We are looking at Oil War II: South America. The idea is to try to destabilize and topple the democratic governments with the oil, and grab the oil, one way or another--by fascist secession, or, if they get lucky, installing corpo/fascist dictators again on the entire country. The Bushwhacks just tried this strategy in its rawest form--a U.S. funded and organized white separatist insurrection in Bolivia this summer. But South America fought back. Evo Morales, Bolivia's first indigenous president, threw the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia--after their local fascist colluders rioted, machine-gunned some 30 unarmed peasants and blew up a gas pipeline--and was unanimously supported by the new South American "Common Market"--UNASUR.

But that doesn't mean that the strategy is dead. It just failed its first test run. Venezuela's oil is a sitting duck, right on the Caribbean (in the Venezuelan state of Zulia), where the newly reconstituted U.S. 4th Fleet is now spying on Venezuela and harrying its coastline. Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, says that the 4th Fleet also threatens Brazil's oil reserves on the Atlantic coast. But Venezuela is the most vulnerable. And there is a fascist group in Zulia engaged in the same sort of secessionist activity as occurred in Bolivia. Further, Colombia--armed with $6 BILLION in U.S.-Clinton/Bush military aid--is right on Venezuela's border, ready to jump in, with military and rightwing death squad assistance, to detach Zulia and its oil from the control of Venezuela's leftist government.

I've been wondering what Obama thought about all of this. I'm still wondering, actually. Not sure. But his placement of people like Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton in the highest positions of our government bode very ill, indeed, for any change for the better in U.S./Latin American relations.

There are a lot of reasons why our global corporate predators are furiously bent on destroying democracy in South America. Restoring U.S. global corporate predator control of the oil is probably the main one. But there is also the huge and successful movement against World Bank/IMF loan sharks, against U.S. dominated 'free trade' (corporate plunder and looting), and against the corrupt, failed, murderous U.S. "war on drugs" (big war profiteer/police-state boondoggle; also, a means of spying on and militarizing Latin America countries, and strengthening fascist elements).

We need to be realistic, and eyes open, about what Obama may have had to agree to, to become president. We don't know the extent of it yet. But do bear in mind that the Clinton prosperity was in large part built on the backs of the poorest workers in Latin America, and on stealing their resources, and that the Clinton administration prepared the way for the war on Iraq (one million innocent people slaughtered for their oil), executed by the Bushwhacks. What we seem to be getting now is many of those same 'neoliberal'/DLC operatives, returning to the White House, but with vastly expanded executive powers--including vast powers of repression here at home--compliments of Bush/Cheney.

I do think there is a more enlightened and genuinely progressive/leftist element around Obama. All I'm saying is that the early indications on major appointments are retro--back to FAILED policies of U.S. economic warfare against the poorest people on earth; and policies of "trickle down" economics, deregulation, and outsourcing of jobs and manufacturing that are hurting us now, and that began with Reagan, were furthered by Bill Clinton and fully flowered under the Bushwhacks in this Financial 9/11 that the rich of the earth have just pulled off. The economics of looting and plunder leads to war. That's where we are now. Are we going to go there again, in South America?**

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*(Op-ed by Donald Rumsfeld, Washington Post, 12/1/07. "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants like Chavez.")

**(Venezuelan by-elections this Tuesday, Dec 5. Chavez has been warning about a local secessionist plot in Zulia, which could be triggered if the rightwing loses significantly in these elections. Note: Venezuela has one of the most transparent election systems on earth--they put our own system to shame.)
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