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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:09 PM Original message |
I have yet to hear a pro-Hillary for SoS person fully explain: |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't Think You Ever Will |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Bingo. Also these people are completely in love with everything "Clinton". n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Because they Benefit from the Economic Policies and IDeology |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
112. Is there something wrong with sound economic policy? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. What "sound" Economic Policy Might That Be..? NAFTA? CAFTA? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Really? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. What does Hillary offer that somebody like Bill Richardson doesnt? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Clinton Drama and Distractions baby! n/t |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Compared to Richardson? Intellectual stature, charisma, and elegance... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. I dont agree with you on intellectual stature, and I dont really care all that much for elegance |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Don't the same things that make RIchardson 20 X more qualified than Hillary to be SoS... |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. Yes. That's Why I Supported Richardson - Experience. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
87. Charisma and elegance are not words that I tend to |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
113. Richardson has none of the grace that a SoS needs. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. exceptional intelligence n/t |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Explain please |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. All good questions. I keep hearing talking heads insisting she's smart and would do |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Careful. They'll call you a "sexist" for saying that. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. That's where I come out too |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I could support her for an Education or HHS role, because it seems that's |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I'm with you - there are dozens of senators and career diplomats and ambassadors |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
108. I hope Biden gives in his two cents. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. Biden can pull rank |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
69. I'd say domestic stuff if I had a gun to my head |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
101. You forgot "Savior of Sarajevo" |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. And it would be the mean old media, in the tank for Obama, who would be responsible for bringing.... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #102 |
109. You mean Obama told her to keep lying about sniper fire |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. LOL! Yeah, I don't understand why her campaign wasn't dead in the water |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #103 |
110. I guess they're still operating under the pre-YouTube rules |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't you want 4 - 8 years of Clinton DRAMA in the Whitehouse? Go Hillary for drama! (nt) |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. I'm glad Bill Maher addressed this "drama" stuff |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Yeah, real genius that one. He said the only drama they have provided is the intern. What a joke. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Well, name some of the "drama" they caused |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
118. you kidding? |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I was simply agreeing.... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Christopher Hitchens isn't thrilled about it. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:38 PM Original message |
The old sot is right once in a while. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. who gives a fuck? n/t |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
61. Christopher Hitchens Is a Blowhard |
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mwei924 (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. She's more famous than the others I guess. But I'm not sure higher profile = better SoS. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. I am not totally pro-Hillary for SoS but I can see good reasons: |
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Fabio (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. good points. massively undercuts 'change' image though, particularly overseas |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. She's a change from Bush and Condi, for sure. . . EOM |
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Fabio (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. that's true |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. The Clintons have a fairly positive image overseas. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. True but so did BIden |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So in that case Britney Spears could be SoS. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. It's the whole package not just because she is a famous woman. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Ridiculous. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Britney Spears is a Republican and is probably qualified to run |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. As a Britney fan, don't compare her to Palin... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. I think you never saw the interview where she said that |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
114. Actually I did see the interview |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. What a lot of Americans don't realize because our "liberal" media |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
96. That was just discussed on WGN News with Rick Pearson. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
11. She won't embarrass Obama unlike |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. Excellent thread, but I predict the DLC fans will attack you in about 10 seconds. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'm used to these folks....same tired old arguments about the "center". n/t |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's a pretty crafty move, actually |
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Fabio (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. This is thoughtful, but at the end of the day, |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. I think the role is big enough for her that she would put country first |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Nicely put - and SoS is a place he likely needs that type of loyalty |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Also, it may put her |
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mwei924 (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. She's not dumb enough to challenge him in 2012 only to get trounced again. |
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Fabio (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. if she starts running again in 34 months, she will |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. There is no way to be ostracized in our party - look at lieberman |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. That too |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
88. It also takes a possible adversary out of the Senate |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
30. Poor souls.... |
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Tribetime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. I'm not qualified to question Obama's decission |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Sure you are. You were qualified to hire HIM, weren't you? Why shouldn't you have |
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Tribetime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. I would have liked Kerry, but my opinion is crap ..I'm a plumber |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
36. From what I've read, it's because she comes with Bill, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. And why is that bad? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I always think declarations that undercut U.S. foreign policy are good, |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
37. maybe you should write obama and ask him why |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. I have a tin hat theory about that |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
116. that's plausible...except |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
38. Your post has more assumptions in it than a catechism. |
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Metric System (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Amen! I mean, agreed. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. She's plenty qualified / who cares / they are vetting her. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
49. Are all y'all going to stomp your feet if Obama picks her? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yes - I wanted real change not more of the same. n/t |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. How do you know this isn't real change? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
51. go look at her public record -- and get back to us. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. It is a reasonable question.. maybe you did not understand the OP |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Thank you. There's a lot that needs to be explained when vetting Hillary Clinton. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. look at her public record. nt |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. That is the point, I have looked at it in detail. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #79 |
98. They can't supply specific answers.....so it's "look it up yourself"nt |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
78. You're right, it's a reasonable question |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I was only referring to the first question |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. That's why I won't answer -- it's not an honest nor sincere question |
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Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. Go compare her public record with Kerry and Richardson == does not compare in FP credentials |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. kinda reminds me of the daily (sometimes twice daily) posts during the primaries... |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
59. Exactly, all they say is she is so qualified for the positon. They say that about everyting she |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. For the 3rd, Clinton supporters are likely to say that she already HAS been vetted... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
65. She was involved in many |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Nope, I'm not satisfied.. name one specific |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
70. I can only suggest reading her biography to illustrate how she would be good for the postion as it > |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
71. I just found out no one has been on record confirming that |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
111. I think the media is fueling the fire again. |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
73. They can't. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #73 |
99. Exactly. Anyone who questions this is now an "Obama hater". Of course some of these folks..... |
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iwillalwayswonderwhy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
76. I reckon I'll wait for President Obama to tell us why |
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Mid_FL_voter (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
84. There are multiple people who are qualified & HRC is one of them. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
85. OTOH, all that combat experience in the Balkans - dodging snipers and such - is a definite plus. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
89. My take (as someone that didn't like her until she conceded the primary): |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
90. my prediction is that Obama will end up regretting this appointment . . . |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
91. Why don't you ask Obama? He's the one who's interested in having her as SOS. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
92. And I have yet to hear... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
93. If we admit that one of the qualifications... |
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Chichiri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
94. As a pro-Hillary-for-SoS person, here's my response: |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Well that's the closest I've seen someone come so far. n/t |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
95. why dont you ask obama? he is the one in charge nt |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
100. And it seems like the only "answers" so far are non-answers. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Ask Obama, it's his call baby!! |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Thank you for proving my point. n/t |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
105. Feel free to pick either when you are President-Elect. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
107. Why is it so hard to explain her credentials??? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
115. I have yet to hear an anti Hillary for SoS person fully explain: |
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always_saturday (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
117. Like you are OWED an explanation?? ROFL!!!!! Get over yourself. |
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