Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Catholics, Mormons, Sikhs and Hindus Join to Fight Homosexual Marriage

[XemaSab]

California churches are joining together in a determined effort in support of Proposition 8, the November ballot referendum that opposes the California Supreme Court's ruling in May allowing same-sex marriages to be performed in the state.

Organizers of the ambitious interfaith alliance plan to coordinate a synchronized expression of support of Proposition 8 by having 1 million people place signs on their yards, which say "Yes on Proposition 8", in unison late in September.

"This is a rising up over a 5,000-year-old institution that is being hammered right now," said Jim Garlow, pastor of Skyline Church, an evangelical congregation in La Mesa, California, in an LA Times report.

"What binds us together is one common obsession: . . . marriage," Garlow said, adding that people of faith, regardless of their religion, believe that "if Proposition 8 fails, there is an inevitable loss of religious freedom."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082705.html

[RagAss]

1. I doubt any Zen Buddhists were in on the deal.

For Prop 8.

[fascisthunter]

2. In The End They WIll Wish They Never Tried

mark my words...

[mwei924]

3. Leave out the Jews. They are sooo not for Prop 8.

Unless you're taking about the super orthodox ones (there aren't that many).

[wryter2000]

7. That's what I thought

I can't tell you how angry this makes me. I'm not even religious, but I can't stand the way they claim God. If there is a God, He/She/It has a big surprise waiting for these bozos.

[JI7]

11. i think this refers to any church temple etc that supports it

so even if just one synagogue is supporting it they will include them as people who are opposed.

[AntiFascist]

13. That's good to hear!

If people would only understand, they may soon have to decide between being governed by someone else's religion or their Constitution. Do we really want to be ruled by oppressive religious law?

According to 44 CA legislators:

Prop. 8 supporters might sincerely wish to confine their discriminatory treatment of gay and lesbian people to marriage. Nevertheless, history - and this Court's suspect classification doctrine - teaches that such measures inevitably impose "the stigma of inferiority and second class citizenship."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4450307#4459480

[XemaSab]

17. Orthodox Jews Join Prop 8

The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, more popularly known as the Orthodox Union, or O.U., and Agudath Israel of California, an ultra-Orthodox group, have joined a coalition of California religious groups supporting Proposition 8, which, if passed in November, would reverse the California State Supreme Court’s May 15 ruling that gave homosexuals the “right” to “marry.”LifeSiteNews.com reported last week on the formation of the faith-based coalition, which includes Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Catholics, Mormons, Sikhs and Hindus.

http://opine-editorials.blogspot.com/2008/09/orthodox-jews-join-prop-8.html

[stevenleser]

18. Perhaps, but Reform Judaism supports Same Sex Marriage and there are many more of us than the

Orthodox.

[bridgit]

31. Well...for some it's referred to as: Trembling Before G_d

Synopsis

'Trembling Before G-d is an unprecedented feature documentary that shatters assumptions about faith, sexuality, and religious fundamentalism. Built around intimately-told personal stories of Hasidic and Orthodox Jews who are gay or lesbian, the film portrays a group of people who face a profound dilemma - how to reconcile their passionate love of Judaism and the Divine with the drastic Biblical prohibitions that forbid homosexuality. As the film unfolds, we meet a range of complex individuals - some hidden, some out - from the world's first openly gay Orthodox rabbi to closeted, married Hasidic gays and lesbians to those abandoned by religious families to Orthodox lesbian high-school sweethearts.

Many have been tragically rejected and their pain is raw, yet with irony, humor, and resilience, they love, care, struggle, and debate with a thousands-year old tradition. Ultimately, they are forced to question how they can pursue truth and faith in their lives. Vividly shot with a courageous few over five years in Brooklyn, Jerusalem, Los Angeles, London, Miami, and San Francisco, Trembling Before G-d is an international project with global implications that strikes at the meaning of religious identity and tradition in a modern world. For the first time, this issue has become a live, public debate in Orthodox circles, and the film is both witness and catalyst to this historic moment. What emerges is a loving and fearless testament to faith and survival and the universal struggle to belong.'

http://www.tremblingbeforeg-d.com/index2.html

[davidinalameda]

4. you realize that article is from August

don't you?

[codjh9]

5. And just HOW will there be a '... loss of religious freedom' if gays can marry? That's just

as dumb/wrong of an argument as the one that it will 'hurt the institution of marriage', or what they always insinuate - that it will actually somehow hurt or affect heterosexual marriages. As a hetero myself, I've never seen anything whatsoever wrong w/gay marriage... argggh.

[wryter2000]

6. Beee-Sssss

The Episcopal Church has an openly gay bishop. I haven't heard their official stance on this, but no way in hell do I believe they'd back this hate. So "people of faith, regardless of their religion" don't believe this bullshit.

These morons don't own religion.

[XemaSab]

10. California Diocese Defects from Episcopal Church over LGBT Issues

http://www.glaad.org/publications/archive_detail.php?id=4138&PHPSESSID=f

[wryter2000]

15. I've heard of this

Anti-progress groups within the church breaking away from the American church. They're also upset that a woman is in charge in the national church. As far as I'm concerned, they're a nasty minority.

The main point of my post was that these creeps don't speak for all religious people, and I resent the fact that they pretend to. And that goes for other issues, as well.

[JI7]

8. fuck them all, they are all hate groups

[Sequoia]

9. Meantime, we'll cheat on our wives, drop off our kids in Nebraska,

and have plenty of gals on the side.

[This One]

12. Woudn't it be cheaper if they all just burned crosses in their front yards?

[yardwork]

14. This is wonderful and exactly what needs to happen.

Members of these organizations need to demand that their leaders respect and honor all people's rights.

[Homer12]

16. Bigots thats what binds them together.

n/t

[IndianaGreen]

19. Jesus would be marching against Prop 8 were he alive today!

Jesus, the Supreme Leader.

by Eugene V. Debs

Pure communism was the economic and social gospel preached by Jesus Christ, and every act and utterance which may properly be ascribed to him conclusively affirms it. Private property was to his elevated mind and exalted soul a sacrilege and a horror; an insult to God and a crime against man.

The economic basis of his doctrine of brotherhood and love is clearly demonstrated in the fact that under his leadership and teaching all his disciples “sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need,” and that they “had all things in common.”

“And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.”

This was the beginning of the mighty movement Jesus had launched for the overthrow of the empire of the Caesars and the emancipation of the crushed and miserable masses from the bestial misrule of the Roman tyrants.

It was above all a working class movement and was conceived and brought forth for no other purpose than to destroy class rule and set up the common people as the sole and rightful inheritors of the earth.

“Happy are the lowly for they shall inherit the earth.”

http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/parties/spusa/1914/0300-debs-jesussupreme.pdf

[Danger Mouse]

20. This makes me very sad.

:cry:

[always_saturday]

21. "People of faith" my ass. People of bigoted irrational persecution complex more like it.

[Danger Mouse]

23. Yeah, they're coming together in faith to deny gays their rights...

and inflict suffering on others.

[Political Tiger]

22. "What binds us together is one common OBSESSION"

Obsession is right! These hatemongers have completely forgot what religion is supposed to be, which is to love your fellow human being. They've replaced "love thy neighbor" with HATE THY NEIGHBOR.

[IndianaGreen]

26. The pulpit is a platform for intolerance!

Religion is the drug of choice for the masses, as Marx said.

[Political Tiger]

27. Agreed...and has been for a long time!

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion." -Thomas Paine

[IndianaGreen]

29. Reminds of something the anarchist writer Emma Goldman wrote about religion

Have not all theists painted their Deity as the god of love and goodness? Yet after thousands of years of such preachments the gods remain deaf to the agony of the human race. Confucius cares not for the poverty, squalor and misery of people of China. Buddha remains undisturbed in his philosophical indifference to the famine and starvation of outraged Hindoos; Jahve continues deaf to the bitter cry of Israel; while Jesus refuses to rise from the dead against his Christians who are butchering each other.

The burden of all song and praise "unto the Highest" has been that God stands for justice and mercy. Yet injustice among men is ever on the increase; the outrages committed against the masses in this country alone would seem enough to overflow the very heavens. But where are the gods to make an end to all these horrors, these wrongs, this inhumanity to man? No, not the gods, but MAN must rise in his mighty wrath. He, deceived by all the deities, betrayed by their emissaries, he, himself, must undertake to usher in justice upon the earth.

Emma Goldman (1916)

The Philosophy of Atheism

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1916/atheism.htm

[Robeson]

24. Then their tax exempt status should be removed.

[MarthaMyDear]

25. Exactly!

[iamincali83]

28. I'm fed up with organized religion!

:argh:

[Divine Discontent]

30. it's funny how people think all people of faith are closed-minded

I like how the story says, "evangelicals" and not Christians. And I believe most Jews and people who classify themselves as something OTHER than "evangelical" or "baptist", or "roman catholic" are for equal marriage rights - there's people from all walks of life against it, sure, but it's been shown certain groups, like the Mormons and anyone classifying their Christian faith as "Evangelical" or "Baptist" were for the right to be taken away in VAST numbers - like 9/10 who voted. They're the threat to civil life and an understanding by the cool churches, synagogues who preach tolerance and love for ALL of God's children.

lumping them together is not fair. just like on website boards - there's haters on every site, but most people are loving and accepting of many views.

iamincali2, & welcome to DU if you're pretty new! :hi: