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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:03 AM
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What about John Kerry for Sec Def?
We all had him pegged as Secretary of State IF he was going to be something in the Obama administration. But what about him instead as Secretary of Defense? I feel like the Secretary of State is not going to matter as much (Still be important of course), because Joe Biden will dominate that field as VP. Sooooo, what about Kerry for Secretary of Defense. I kinda think hed be a good fit there.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:10 AM
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1. Yeah, let's take all the good Dems out of the Senate
We can whittle that majority down to a 49-seat minority in no time.

We're losing Obama and Biden
Hillary?
Kerry?
Ted isn't in good health

That's a pretty powerful punch to take out of the Senate all at once -- and throw the seats open to either gubernatorial appointments or special elections.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:22 AM
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5. You do realize that we replace those Senators...right?
Not to mention, there a possibility that he wants to be in the administration.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:06 AM
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13. No, WE don't replace the senators -- voters and governors do
Some of them could be Republicans. If either Kerry or Kennedy go, you might just see Mittens tossing his hat in the ring. We can't assume they're going to be all Dems. The GOP will go balls to the wall trying to get their people into those seats.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:20 AM
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2. NO!
Wesley Clark or Colin Powell gets my support!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:21 AM
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3. I think Wes Clarke would be great, but he is not eligible yet I think
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:21 AM by alyce douglas
in 2010 he is eligible.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:21 AM
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4. SOD would be a good position for him.
He understands more about the issues that would come before him as SOD than any other Democrat I can think of.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:22 AM
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6. No, because of his history.
It would never work. He protested the war, he gave that historic testimony before the SFRC in 1971. He is a patriot, but the military brass will always be uneasy with him because of that. It is not a good fit.

My take is that he will either be SoS or chairman of the SFRC. Both are great choices.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:23 AM
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7. Id rather him be Chairman of the SFRC, it just seems like he wants to be in the Administration.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:32 AM
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11. He'll get over it. Really, Chairman of the SFRC is such a great thing for him.
I mean, this is the same committee he gave that historic testimony to. Now, with the U.S. in two wars, he will chair that committee. And believe me, I am sure President Obama will have him on speed dial. He listened to Sen. Kerry about public financing, and went with Kerry's Iraq plan for the campaign. Sec. of State is not the only path toward influence on the administration.

Look, we don't know what is going to happen. But I have prepared myself for Kerry being SoS or Chairman of the SFRC. Both are great jobs and ideal for him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:36 AM
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18. Don't believe the spin from the media drama queens who repeat 'Dem officials' once again
spinning against Kerry, no matter WHAT the story. Establishment powerstructure in our party hates Kerry as much as BushInc does. They really don't WANT any open government lawmaker in any position where they can access documents that the powerful want hidden.
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Lumpsum Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:24 AM
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8. NO. Kerry for SoS.
Anything to keep Hillary out of SoS.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:24 AM
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9. Well Bill Richardson could do that easily
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Lumpsum Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:18 PM
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29. I'm all for Richardson as SoS too. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:28 AM
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10. I thought Richardson would be a good pick for SOS
he has experience as or was an ambassador. His demeanor is cool too.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:01 AM
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12. That would make difficult confirmation hearings, I think.
He would probably be great in the job, but a lot of military did not forgive him for his anti-war actions. Not sure Obama would want to have a rocky confirmation hearing when there are other choices.

My guess is that he will be SoS or SFRC chair, both jobs with potentially significant influence on foreign relations.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:54 PM
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25. true, but it's too bad that some draft dodging war monger coward
would be seen as better for the job than someone who actually served in combat and became critical of what most thinking people know was a mistake that turned into a disaster.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:15 AM
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14. I prefer somebody with hawkish credentials in SOD so that they can
cut the expensive and useless exotic weapon systems or developmental aircraft (like the Osprey).

I believe that this can only be done with somebody with excellent Defense credentials like Senator Hagel or General Clark.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:19 AM
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15. Are we going to just raid the entire Senate?
Good God... there are far more experienced people for these cabinet positions besides senators! People who did something BESIDES politics for years.

:eyes:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM
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16. NO, if Kerry isn't going to be SOS then he should remain in Senate and Chair
the SFRC
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:33 AM
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17. I think Hagel is going to be Sec of Defense. Thats the only prediction
I'll make in the entire cabinet. I feel good about that one
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:40 PM
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19. No, he ain't a people person and ain't tough enough
:sarcasm:
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:49 PM
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20. Interesting to have a reluctant warrior, concerned with vets rights, as Sec of Defense.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:50 PM
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22. Right
Excuse the sarcasm. I feel like it today. :hi:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:49 PM
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21. I was thinking about that this morning
And I think that actually makes more sense for him than State in some ways. I love the idea of Kerry for SecDef because the SecDef is usually more hawkish than the president but Kerry's not a hawk.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:51 PM
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23. I like John in the senate, running foreign relations committee
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:53 PM
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24. Or National Security Advisor?
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CADEMOCRAT7 Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:59 PM
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26. I would like Richard Danzig as Sec. of Def. and Susan Rice as National Security Adviser. nt
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:10 PM
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27. Obama will keep Gates.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:17 PM
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28. Honestly, Hillary as DefSec and Kerry at State would make more sense
It fits their portfolios more and would align better with Obama's views. There's a lot of overlap between the foreign policy aides of Kerry and Obama and they have very similar views on most of the major issues. Hillary, on the other hand, has her own large body of people and has views that tend to be more hawkish. She also doesn't have a major portfolio in foreign policy.

Hillary would be a great DefSec, on the other hand. She's very knowledgeable about military issues and is much better-liked by the military brass than Bill was. It would also be a ground-breaking role for her, as the first woman Secretary of Defense.

Honestly, I'm a little baffled by this leak that she may be Secretary of State. I'm all for the team of rivals thing and I trust Obama's judgment, but I have to admit there seem to be lots of potential kinks.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:18 PM
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32. I completely agree.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:19 PM by Fabio
we will see where Gates washes out before too long.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:31 PM
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34. Gates is likely to only stay for a year anyway
The speculation is that Gates will stay for a year in a transitional role -- overseeing redeployment from Iraq to Afghanistan and smoothing over relations between Obama and the Pentagon (who very much like Gates).

The idea is that after a year, Obama will appoint someone new to the position -- possibly a deputy like Richard Danzig -- or someone else.

So even IF Gates stays for a year, Hillary could easily be picked next year to succeed him. And it would give her a year in which she could play a major role in health care and domestic policy too.

We'll see. I was inclined to ignore all this chatter about Hillary as SOS because my instinct is block out of most of this chatter as idle speculation -- but at this point, the chatter is too loud to ignore. And while the claims may be somewhat overblown (I *highly* doubt the position has actually been offered as HuffPost and CNN claim), it does seem like there's something to them.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:56 PM
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30. Gates is going to remain at Defense until we are out of Iraq.
Kerry will be National Security Advisor if anything in the administration. I'd rather see some of our heavy hitters stay in the Senate to get done what needs to be done there.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:17 PM
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31. too much history from the anti-war movement
I think the shame of this whole HRC-Kerry SOS thing is that I think a more efficient use of talent and resources would be HRC at Defense -- even if she waits 12 months -- and JK at SOS. She's been on armed services for 8 years and he's been on SFRC for like 20+.
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