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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:15 PM
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Will we EVER win the "Center Stripe?"
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 05:21 PM by Bicoastal


You know, the states that stretch from North to South in the geographic middle of the country, starting with the Dakotas, heading down through Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas? Obama took a bite out of the Southwest, the South, AND the Midwest this year--but no, those states remained as remained as red as ever. It's literally the only barrier that prevents us from claiming a cross-country victory. Minus Omaha, these are 57 Electoral Votes that may never be ours.

The last time we won all 6 states was in 1964; however, Lyndon Johnson's election was the last no-contest blowout the Democrats have had in 44 years. And that election was a unique one in the 20th century--the fact that JFK was assassinated only less than a year earlier made most voters jittery about changing horses in midstream, even those that would have normally voted Republican.

We haven't won Texas since Jimmy Carter. We haven't won Oklahoma since Harry Truman. Pre-LBJ, the last time we won all 6 states was in 1932 and 1936, at the height of the Depression. Woodrow Wilson managed to get 5 out of 6 twice in a row, but South Dakota stayed resolutely non-blue, voting Republican in 1916 and Bull Moose in 1912. Go back much further, and it starts to turn in Indian Territory.

The states seem to get more staunchly conservative as you go North. Despite the whole "Bush Country" reputation, Texas has been voting Democratic for roughly 2/3 of its existence. Oklahoma's 10 Democratic votes may not seem like a lot, but it beat out Maine and Vermont, of which the latter has only been Democratic since 1992. (Other than the exceptional LBJ election, this latter state stayed resolutely out of Democratic hands for 164 years, a fact that seems to clash with its current granola reputation.)

BUT Nebraska has only wholly voted 7 times for a Democrat in its entire existence--and you can be sure that the their legislation will never let a Democrat bite off a chunk of its Electoral Vote total ever again. Kansas of "What's the Matter With" fame has gone blue 6 times. North Dakota, which seemed to lean towards Obama a few times in the last year, has voted for a Democrat only 5 times. And South Dakota? Fuhgeddabout it. If it weren't for newcomer Alaska, South Dakota's FOUR Democratic votes would be a record. They stayed resolutely Red during WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and both conflicts in Iraq, only letting down their guard in the wake of two national tragedies and the populist rhetoric of William Jennings Bryan. Ever wonder why Mount Rushmore has two Republicans, one Democratic-Republican, and one Unaffiliated? This may be the reason.

Nevertheless, there is hope. All 6 states voted more Democratic than they did 4 years ago. 12 out of 32 Texas Congressman are Democrats; Oklahoma and Kansas each have Democratic Governors. South Dakota and Nebraska each have a Democratic Senator, while North Dakota has TWO. In fact, all three of North Dakota's representatives in Congress are Democrats, which must be something of a record in this part of the country--and their vote for Obama was TEN points higher than their vote for Kerry four years ago, making it definitely a state to watch for in 2012.

On the other hand, Republican John Hoeven of North Dakota is the longest-serving and most popular governor in the entire country. It may be a long time before a state in the Center Stripe votes for a Democratic President--and another century, perhaps, before they all do.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:16 PM
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1. We could have some trouble winning over the provinces up at the top of the stripe.
:P
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:18 PM
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2. Read the article, silly...
...I worked hard on this! :(
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:58 PM
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21. Sorry, hon. I couldn't resist. *hugs* Kudos on a well-thought-out article


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:19 PM
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3. If Northeastern Colorado gave Marilyn Musgrave the boot, much is possible
It'll take time and money, blood, sweat and commitment. But inroads can be made to at least make it go light purple.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:21 PM
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4. Not without giving ground on guns
Clinton didn't. Kerry didn't. Obama is sending mixed signals a la Third Way. That's why Democrats can't crack the Great Plains.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:24 PM
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5. Colorado and Virginia are Gun states too...
...to say nothing of Michigan and Wisconsin.

Maybe it's because there are few large urban centers in these states (with the exception of Texas) to cancel the rural voters out?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:29 PM
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8. Thanks for the new map
I had a hard time finding Colorado at first. This map makes it clearer in the political sense.

I was saying to myself how eastern CO and western KS is homogeneous and could be one state politically as it is economically.

Where these states have elected someone for a statewide office, governor or senate, we have a chance. Look what happened here in CO. Our Dem gov could bang the drum for Markey. Musgrave is still in shock so much so that last I heard she hasn't even conceded. Maybe that's a metaphor for how these states will evolve to the left.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:34 PM
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11. Actually the yellow on the map is pointing out the "Great Plains" region...
...it has nothing to do with politics, although the topography MAY have something to do with their political leanings.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:40 PM
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12. Yes, I understand about the GP area
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:24 PM
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14. I read a theory that people from "targa" climactic regions
...tend to be liberal and cooperative in their thinking. The climate tends to kill jerks and loners.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:24 PM
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6. Do we all have to carry a gun on each hip to get these folks on board?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:32 PM
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10. That would help
I believe that if we get universal health care and their families are relieved of the burden of carrying the costs alone, they will turn to our way of thinking.

But we do have to make it perfectly clear about the gun issue. I think the NRA must rely heavily on staying afloat by using us as the bogeyman. We don't want to take away their hunting culture. But the NRA continues to rely on the lie.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:57 PM
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13. Better than tucking it into the waistband of your jeans
Honestly, I wince every time I see that, and hope that the poor guy at least kept the safety on.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:24 PM
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7. As long as there is Fox News and a proliferation of conservatives on talk radio...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 05:28 PM by Dennis Donovan
...as well as the NRA being run by far-right wackos, probably not. However, if Obama does a great job of getting the economy back on track, he could experience an FDR-like landslide (as in 1936).

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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:32 PM
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9. Interesting, if you think about Iowa, right next to all those
areas,(and Iowa was as blue as you could get) but the western part of Iowa is pinker for sure.. I am not sure why, besides being an more isolated area, less people to interact with and take into consideration.. and water issues, that kind of has everyone on point.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:28 PM
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15. We'll take Texas in 50 years
when hispanics make up the majority of the population
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:52 AM
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27. Texas is very possible
what with the increasing Hispanic population and all.
With the Texas GOP crew (DeLay, Bush, Cheney, Armey) out of power, Republican influence will fade there. How long it takes, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if it goes blue sooner rather than later.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:31 PM
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16. Small correction: Montana is MT, not MO (that's Missouri's abbrev.)
n/t
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:32 PM
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17. Tornado Alley?
Who wants it?
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:36 PM
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18. You think Alberta might go Dem?
That would be quite an accomplishment. No one has suggested the Ten Province Strategy. :sarcasm:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:37 PM
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19. If we changed our party's stance on gun control we might take places like MT
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 06:38 PM by anonymous171
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:39 PM
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20. We can hope.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:59 PM
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22. We're never going to win Manitoba :(
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:32 AM
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24. :(
One day...
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:31 AM
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23. Correction
"We haven't won Oklahoma since Harry Truman."

LBJ won Oklahoma in 1964.

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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:33 AM
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25. I could see ND+MO and Texas in the not so distant future.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:36 AM
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26. We got 1 EV in Nebraska.
YAY! It's an improvement.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:35 AM
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29. It is
But they might change it back to winner takes all, for that specific reason.
Although I would ridicule them for it, if they did.
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:29 AM
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28. It just doesn't matter?...
:shrug:
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:01 AM
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30. It's not the particular states per se, it's the rural areas.
As far as I can tell, most of the backwards-thinking rednecks that are dragging the country down live in rural areas and small towns - you know, the "real America". The area marked on your map is overwhelmingly rural.

The only way to bring these country folks back to the light is to establish a Radio Free America that will beam the truth to them. At the moment all they have is Rush, Rush, Rush and Sean, Sean, Sean - right-wing gasbag hate radio filling their heads with poisonous lies, every day of the year.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:05 AM
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31. You wanna win Texas, you have to put some money in the state
instead of treating it like an ATM and consistently sucking Texas dry of millions of dollars to go to out-of-state candidates and taking volunteers out of state too.

I think we can do it, but we're going to need some help and it won't be for a few years.
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