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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:24 PM Original message |
Why GM, Ford, or Chrysler going bankrupt is a very bad thing |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Iacocca honored his contract with the American people--I don't think the execs are worthy of that |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. so keep doing what's not working because we can't afford to change? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Ok in the midst of a financial crisis |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Do you really think a bailout is going to solve their problems? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Temporary fix |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. When your boat is full of holes, at some point you have to jump off. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. This really isn't a debate over a great idea or a bad idea |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yeah, and you trust that the CEOs would use that money wisely, eh? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. We will have a different President on 12:01 January 20 |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. And what is Obama going to do exactly? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Ummm |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Your sarcasm is duly noted. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Your almost RW sounding hatred of unions |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. I'm sorry I'm not sycophantic enough toward unions for you. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. FreeRepublic is |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Wow. You really are a simpleton. Maybe YOU need to be over there. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Your experience with Unions |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. Why? Because I disagreed with you? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. No, because you sound like Sean Hannity. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. No because |
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Every Man A King (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
145. Democrat platform or DemocratiC platform ????????? n/t |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
143. WTF! n/t |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Too Much Debt got them in the mess, |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. if the auto industry gets a bailout, why not the housing industry? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Because that's not what it is |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
150. "i'm getting tired of waiting for 'amazing' vehicles." |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. We are talking about 2.5 MILLION American workers here. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Union workers as well |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The unions screwed their own company. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. $30 bucks an hour!!!!1! |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Oh whatever. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Yes, all the auto workers I know get drunk off their asses at lunch. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You missed the Irish |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. She already used the "drunk" thing... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Didn't use the fighting thing? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Hadn't thought that far.... |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Some people say that some of the drunk workers put moonroofs on the trunk lids |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. I heard the drunk workers threw up in the glove boxes! |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
118. Other people say they bring food scraps to work and stuff it into the door panels. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Those non-union Toyota workers are tee-totalers. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
94. I saw it with my own two eyes. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Did the dirty drunk bastards sully you with their salty language |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. My dad was management at a technology firm |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Why does your DU profile list "vodka" as one of your hobbies? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. OMG She's with the UAW? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
122. Could you BE any more STEREOTYPICAL? Really. Think about what you just typed. n/t |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Yup, the labor unions are the cause of the entire fucking economic meltdown. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Not all labor unions. But corrupt and greedy ones, yes. |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Please list the corrupt and greedy ones. How did Bushco avoid going after them? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Those coal mining unions are responsible for the energy crisis |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
102. Good one.... Don't ask for a living wage, demand that others earn less. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. And they don't even have ....wait for it.... |
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Every Man A King (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
134. wtf n/t |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Absolutely. Which is more than we can say for the foreign automakers with plants in the US. |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
156. Electric Cars AREN'T VIABLE |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Agreed as long as we get guarantees from the management--and that they talk |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Oh I am positive that we will get guarantees (at least under an Obama administration) |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. A check from Uncle Sam isn't going to fix the Big 3's problems. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Really |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Millions are already losing their jobs. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. See you in the bread line than |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. And why would I be in a bread line? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. because this doesn't just effect |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. If that's the case, then we'll be in the breadlines in six months instead of three. |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
157. You are ignoring the changes at all of the Big 3 |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Ah, that lovely belief in the simple answer--I had that once. If Ford bites the dust, |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
136. Ted Turner is full of it |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. That would be the case, if you knew what you were talking about. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. They demanded them because they were told they demanded them. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
138. Besides the bad management and drunken workforce what's your problem? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Toyota's healthcare costs are about $400 because the employees and us taxpayers pay the other $1100 |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yes, and GM needs to subsidize their labor costs the same way |
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monktonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. I work at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. It's a bigger issue than just your job. It is a national security issue. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Excellent point. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. You've summed up the situation very well. I'm not liking this, but I think |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
132. If bankruptcy can be structured that it preserves jobs and manufacturing capacity... |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
128. I live near there, in Cortland |
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monktonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #128 |
153. thanks man, I needed that |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. GM has the Volt, case closed!! On that point ALONE they should be given whatever they want |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. you forgot this: |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Slight Hyperbole but look what the Volt does to OPEC and other energy markets? |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. make the oil last 50 years instead of 40? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Not a panacea but a start, right now Europeans are driving 75mpg Accord diesels and we |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
154. not because of the EPA at all - because of CA and NY. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
75. Once it is for sale they got it, until then... vaporware. |
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trekbiker (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
148. sure... a $40K electric car with a planned production of |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
155. Few points |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
20. Add a few million more medically uninsured and see how expensive medicaid is. n/t |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. In hindsight, it sure is good that we didn't raise those mileage standards. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Unintentional irony is sometimes the best kind. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. I think our GB is learning, I really do. He's popped up in the most perfect places lately! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
38. "filing for bankrupcy" might be a good thing..... going out of business altogether IS bad |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Who's going to buy a car from a bankrupt company?!?! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Almost every airline, at one time or another, has been under federal bankrupcy protection.... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. A flight is a commitment of one trip |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. One benefit of a bad economy is that if you drop the price low enough |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:55 PM Original message |
They can't buy BICYCLES if they don't have a job. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Hmmm, who would buy a car you can't get the parts for if something goes wrong with something ALWAYS |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Exactly |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Precisely! Subsidizing labor costs would be a great start. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Yeah, ...shoot...there's no easy way to deal with F, GM and C right now .... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
49. This post has emphasis in that you are posting from... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Ignoring the downfall of American Steel |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Thank you for working to spare Detroit the same fate. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. RIGHT!! "Free Marketers" never factor in the LENGTH of the adjustment while giving their pitch |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. or the effect on families |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. +1 |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
52. heard all this before. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. How about we just give all of those unemployed workers money to start over? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
78. You know a few years ago that would have sounded batsh*t crazy |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
135. It's a reality based solution but it's unfortunately politically unfeasible |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. I think you are right, it will be to pay back the unions for support |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
56. The only way we give them $$ is that they ship No, None, ZERO jobs overseas. |
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IN-dem (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
146. I agree 100% n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. Giving them a few hundred billion to blow through won't make them any more sustainable. nt |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Exactly. People are going to lose their jobs eithier way. They're losing them now. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. I just want them to survive |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
95. There's never a good time, and most of the employees of GM can't be moved into new industries. |
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trekbiker (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
149. like the old Soviet Union. propping up bad companies with crap products |
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stklurker (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Bailout of Auto Industry |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Until the Volt? Volt in SUV? Come on, there's difinative upside to GM that's being igonred |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. I highly doubt that the Volt will |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. Reply |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. Health-care reform would indeed help, |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
79. My state (Michigan) will be devastated if no one does anything |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. "Free Market" folks NEVER factor in the adjustment period into their schtick on letting stuff fail |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. People don't get that it isn't just the Big 3 laborers who will hurt. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. Indiana and Ohio will fold like a tent as well |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yeah, where did we get this idea that we can afford to kiss off industries? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. I think we "got it" from union busting republicans. |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
92. The reality is that there are people who don't care about others, sadly... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Is it vindictiveness? Is it spite? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Its the it won't/can't happen to me or my job syndrome |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Ignorance, then. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
129. Yep. First they came for the textile workers.... |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Exactly. n/t |
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tomnjoy (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
101. I wish I knew... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
109. Exit the American auto industry; enter a sea of Wal-Marts and Denny's. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
113. Bail them out on the condition they change for the better. |
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trekbiker (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
151. I agree. US automakers and thier lobbyists have |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
114. (self delete) |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
115. Yes, it's a bad thing, but that's not the point. |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. The workers retrain, then they're highly skilled with student loans to pay off, and |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
117. Its probably pretty much over for the old model |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
120. We could put all of those out of work auto employees |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Just because gas fuel is on its way out, that doesn't mean cars are. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Hoverboards |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
130. These corporations sound like Republican Party |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
131. Reorganizational bankruptcy still an option |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
137. We don't want them to go out of business. Anybody who says otherwise is a Republican. |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #137 |
147. Letting GM go under would be a Katrina like decision for the govt. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
140. No GM, no VOLT. |
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Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. The VOLT is great example of what NOT TO DO -- not transformation of auto line but token niche item |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. But if it goes well, it could be the future of the line. |
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Every Man A King (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
144. Agree |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
152. Anybody remember the old saying "As GM goes, so goes the country" ? |
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