Whose to blame? (Freeperville circular firing squad!)

[Captain Lance Bass]

its a riot over there

my favorite freeperism

"The left spent 50 years paying blacks to breed and not work"

fuking freaks

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To: nhwingut
Whose to blame?

Blame McCain for running a lackluster campaign and doing himself no favors

Blame Mitt Romney for bringing his money to the primaries and essentially shutting other potential candidates (i.e. Newt) for running.

Blame Newt for appearing to bring conservative ideas and representing the cause, only to appear in a environmentalist-whacko commercial with Nancy Pelosi and to admit that he too would have voted for the $700B bailout.

Blame Mike Huckabee for running a populist (not conservative) platfrom under the auspices of social conservatism

Blame Fred Thompson for wasting a completely armed grassroots effort and showing a complete lack of enthusiasm for the people supporting him

Blame Rudy Guiliani for being wrong on the social issues and guns

Blame Ron Paul for thinking isolationism in the world today is still as practical today as it was in 1796

Blame Tom Tancredo for going through a whole early debate without ever bringing up “immigration”

Blame Duncan Hunter for giving up and supporting Mike Huckabee.

Blame the way the GOP sets up choosing a nominee by giving RINO states a winner-take-all format an advantage.

Blame George Bush who pretty much threw the House Republicans under the bus with comprehensive immigration and the bailout bill

Blame the House Republicans for allowing themselves to be thrown under the bus for the bailout

But most of all.....

Blame the 63,000,000 Americans that believed Joe the Plumber, Rev Wright, William Ayers, Spreading the Wealth, Winning the War on Terror, Supporting a baby’s right to life, etc was just not that important. You can’t fix stupid, and what we have is a large majority of stupid voters.

Blame the 3,000,000+ in PA that don’t mind being called racist or clinging to their guns or bibles with antipathy towards others not like them, or not caring that their coal jobs might go away.

Blame the 2,700,000+ in OH that don’t give a rat’s a$$ about Joe the Plumber and Spreading the Wealth

Blame the 3,000,000+ in FL that don’t might not becoming energy independent so they can pay $10 a gallon

Blame the 2,000,000+ in MI that don’t mind living in a recession and want it to get worse

And we could go on and on....

Bottom line: McCain ran a lackluster campaign, but given the information that was out there and the number of people listening to FOX News, talk radio, etc, these 63,000,000 knew the real Obama despite the MSM doing their best to hide it. They just didn’t care. And like I said before, you can’t fix stupid.



20 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:46:13 PM by parksstp (For the first time in my adult life I am truly ashamed to be an American)
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Election analysis: McCain, ever the bridesmaid, named Mr.Nice Guy as he hoped, forgetting the rule: nice guys finish last.



21 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:52:44 PM by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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The left spent 50 years paying blacks to breed and not work. The left spent twenty years paying illegals to breed and not work. And we spent most of that time electing RINOs too afraid to say that both were wrong. Why are we surprised that they finally got their moneys worth?



22 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:57:41 PM by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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true



23 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:58:22 PM by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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About McCain’s concession speech—

It was pompous. It was overly gracious
McCain was like an MC full of praise as he introduced every act
It was flowery and complimentary it made me feel that McCain was very happy to deliver it
As happy as a victory speech

This election allowed McCain to keep his honor as he mistakenly perceives it
He is still a war hero and can stride into the US Senate each day and be on great terms with his Democrat friends which was a prime objective of his campaign

Selfish old man McCain ran out of scrappiness and steam years ago
He deprived a more energetic man from going toe to toe with this Obama fraud
Guliani, Romney, Huckabee would have shown Obama up for the empty head he is>
Especially Rudy Guliani with his biting sarcasm

It’s wrong but the America of today will elect a 46 year old man over a 71 year old man in a lot more races than in just the Presidential race



24 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:08:24 PM by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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As a reminder we all know what happened.

After supporting illegal’s and ‘fine gold’, and other dimwitted legislation there were too many conservatives that don’t trust McLame.

Those moves seemed like catering to the left for political gain.

We all knew this before he got the nod.

And most of us an FR knew he couldn’t win as a result.

Obama I think actually helped us more than a more moderate candidate but there was no way for conservatives to trust McLame again.

Boy were we ever RIGHT ABOUT THIS ONE.

Him jumping on the bailout reminded us why we didn’t like McLame in the first place. He is a ‘Big Government” Republican.



25 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:11:41 PM by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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His "graciousness" is overcompensation for his tendency to fly into rages.
Neither the rage (except in the most extreme circumstances) nor the overcompensation are desirable for a person in high office.

But then, neither is a messianic complex.


26 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:12:13 PM by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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I am down on the floor begging. How did McCain get the nomination? I was quite shocked when he kept winning in primaries. I thought well I guess it is like Dole, he is a war hero and all and people feel like he earned it. Who knows.
First of all, LMAO at your "I am down on the floor begging" comment! I've been asking the same question myself around here, several times. Second, I think you've got the answer - "people feel like he earned it". I think that must be it! It's sort of like when an actor wins an Oscar for a role that wasn't that great - but it represents their lifetime achievement, or when they should have won it for another role, but didn't. This was our way (not mine) of rewarding McCain for his heroic service. Plus, the name recognition. Plus, he was more of an "insider" than the other candidates (but in this case it should have worked against him, but didn't). Clutching at straws here. I guess it's a combination of many factors. Sure wish we could poll those people who voted for him in the primary. They seriously couldn't have picked a worse candidate, at least this time around.


27 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:25:40 PM by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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Similar to a few of my points posted here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2127537/posts?page=13#13

“I had an epiphany a few weeks back. I realized that McCain had always run his campaign like he was going back to the senate... trying not to offend anyone... or attack Obama too hard... and that's exactly what he got- a trip back to the US Senate where he'll finish his career as the weak, compromising senator he's always been. Sad, very sad indeed for one that had such a distinguished military career. No convictions or strong principles, no glory. He ended up sounding like Obama at the end, trying to buy as many votes as he could. The American people saw through it and decided better to jump to the younger, stronger horse. That's the hell that RINOs live and have led the GOP into in the last couple decades.”


28 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:26:23 PM by Rockitz (NObama 2008- Strange we ain't believin')
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McCain lost when decided to announce, in April(?) that he would graciously refuse to use make use of Obama’s pastor of 20 years, Jeremiah “God damn America!” Wright, in campaign ads.



29 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:32:51 PM by flowerplough (Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. -O, Jan '08)
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"His "graciousness" is overcompensation for his tendency to fly into rages."
I suspect his "graciousness" is his shield to keep folks from noticing that he really isn't very bright.....

In fact -- he appears to be very dull, dimwitted and has miserable taste in friends...


30 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:37:58 PM by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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McCain, Bush, and most Republicans have the same problem communicating their positions and playing hardball politics. The Democrat lawyers have no such problems, and that’s why they won. I don’t think Republicans know how to debate. They are also way too worried about saying the wrong thing and act scared.



31 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:46:32 PM by nicolezmomma
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I’m afraid he lost most of my extended family by dark, ominous, negative ads. In many cases I agreed that the ads were pointing at genuine weaknesses in the Obama candidacy, but even I found them hard to take.

There were simply no reasons given in the ads to vote for McCain other than suspicion of Obama.

My family aren’t as politically involved as I am, and they simply won’t tolerate ads like that. They would vote for anybody with an affirmative, hopeful message rather than support someone who ran ads like those of McCain.

As far as I know they have absolutely no points of agreement with Obama, but the Virginia Republican part has run two straight elections of disastrously negative advertising. It is evident that they think this will work for them. They lost the governorship, both Senate seats and now the state-wide presidential race on this crap. They might want to stop and think about what they are doing.

Virginians prefer conservatives. They DON’T HATE DEMOCRATS, and they are not afraid of them. Negative ads have made the Republican party look dark and scheming.

Conservatism should be an affirmative, positive message about our people and our nation. The stuff my family saw on TV is poison to that image.



32 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:47:25 PM by VaFarmer
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You nailed it perfectly. Summed it up better than anything else I’ve read.

And yes, Stupid is a BIG problem here.



33 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:52:45 PM by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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So....your family is a bunch of non-thinking Sheeple.
Great.....

How come you aren't educating them?

How come you are not pointing out the negatives of the likes of "Obama"?

How come YOU aren't taking them to task...to SEE the direction that the Democrats are taking them?

How come they don't understand Marxism, Socialism, Communism?

Is your family so easily lead...that they will turn on YOU?

Sad.........


34 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:57:33 PM by Osage Orange (Victims that fight back live longer.....................)
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Frankly.....I totally blame the MSM / DBM....
They and they alone are the most dangerous entity in the U.S.A.

Period.


35 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:59:49 PM by Osage Orange (Victims that fight back live longer.....................)
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In McCain’s case I guess nice guys Do finish last.



36 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:01:16 PM by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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My family is not afraid of Marxism. They love babies and whales and kitty-cats. They are talented, loving and beautiful. I don’t “educate” them because they are pretty great people the way they are.

By the way, I feel the same way about pretty much the whole country and pretty much all its people.



37 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:06:11 PM by VaFarmer
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I won’t consider McCain gracious until he openly comes out and defends Sarah against the inner circle attackers.



38 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:07:41 PM by LoveUSA (I have seen the future and it is Sarah Palin.)
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Any true graciousness has to flow from a pursuit of righteousness and truth. Graceness has little to do with accommodating evil and lies.



39 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:11:50 PM by all the best
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Great....
Just lay down and bow to your masters.....

I've personally no use for you........


40 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:12:01 PM by Osage Orange (Victims that fight back live longer.....................)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
McCain also opposed Bush’s tax cuts as tax cuts for the rich. Same old , tired class warfare the left uses. McCain would have been terrible for conservatives. It’s time to clean out ALL RINOS for good.



41 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:19:44 PM by dandiegirl
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To: VaFarmer
kum-ba-ya...
(Aww geez, this is mentally exhausting..)

[Kookaburra]

1. Don't do this to yourself

Those people are messed up -- don't go over there. It's an icky place.

[Captain Lance Bass]

3. I wear a hazmat suit n/t

[DiverDave]

2. What a bunch of sick fucks

63 million STUPID voters?

It would be funny if it wasnt so sad.
To believe that so many of us were "stupid" is, well, crazy.

I sorta feel sorry for that dude, it's obvious that he won't play with us, and will fight till he dies.
Just sick...

[Faygo Kid]

4. No ideas on the economy, peace, environment, health care. Their strategy? Bash gays.

They are sick and dangerous, but they are also buffoons.

[Captain Lance Bass]

5. guns gays and god added up to GONE in 08' n/t

[camera obscura]

6. BLAME CANADA!

In all seriousness, I hope they start pushing for a proportional delegate system just like the Dems had. Just imagine how great the 2012 primaries would be!

[SpiralHawk]

8. Blame The Clenis

He visited Canada while he was in office, and he built up a HUGE budget surplus, practically ensuring that the greedhead republicon homelanders would AQUANDER our money enriching themselves, while developing the momentum to drive America DEEP into the craphole of debt.

[Arkana]

7. Waaa, waaaa, waaaah.

Fucking crybabies.

[Skittles]

9. oh where did I put that damn thing

oh here it is :nopity:

[parasim]

Geez, what a place!

The one poster (VAfarmer) is the only making even a tiny bit of sense in that thread and they turn on him like rabid wolves. Must be hell to live in that world.

[chappydog26]

20. From the few freeper posts that I actually cared to read, I gathered

that they turn on one another a lot over there. :yoiks:

[parasim]

28. Yeah, i have seen that a lot over there. They tend to be be very focused in their hatred. nt

[Dem2theMax]

37. And we don't?

:rofl:

I just couldn't resist. It doesn't matter, Dem or Repug - we all fight at times. ;-)

[comtec]

63. We have heated, passionate, debates - we are not rabid animals

we don't turn on each other claw and fang like mindless beasts whose scraps might have been infringed on by another in the pack.
we may have heated differences, but in the end we are all generally civil to one another.
we know that debate,GOOD, honest, intellectual debate is at the HEART of a REAL democracy,
where every side has it's right to be heard.

we rarely go for each other's jugulars, do we?

we all have people we can't stand, and that 's what the iggy is for, but we rarely go out of our way to attack one another. do we?

how many comfort threads do they have at fr?
how often do they take a moment to be silent and comfort one another's pain, grief, sorrow...

we may argue, a lot, but at the end of the day we care about others and each other.
despise them as we may, who among us actually wishes them death, harm, and evil?

I just wish them due karma :evilgrin:

[RichGirl]

36. VaFarmer might want to come over here and bring his family with him.

He's welcome.

[parasim]

10. oops, dupe.

not sure what happened there....

[Crunchy Frog]

11. How quickly will VaFarmer get banned for being too reasonable?

[Berry Cool]

12. As one of those "2,700,000+ in OH"

I can say that indeed, I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about Joe the Plumber."

As for "Spreading the Wealth"...sounds like a fine idea to me. When do we get started??

[CitizenLeft]

49. dang, I was going to post that word for word.

Absolutely, I don't give a rat's ass about Joe the Non-Plumber.

[madmusic]

13. They still don't get it.

Their "hard ball politics" cost them the election. It's really that simple. Their hard ball politics is what won deregulation and everything else sour about the GOP.

[Captain Lance Bass]

14. They think the GOP is not "hard right" enuff for mainstream America

o goody goody

pretty

pretty

please

run a Huckabee/Palin tix in 2012

it would be a slaughter

Obama admin will be centerist..THATS mainstream America

[parasim]

29. Exactly.

It'd be like a skeet shoot.

Pull! Boom!

Now, I'm not a gun nut or anything like that, I just thought it was an appropriate metaphor.

[Jennicut]

15. Who here in the United States gave a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber except the hardcore Rethug

base?! I am dying, laughing so hard at them right now. Like they said "You can't fix stupid", that is for sure. They are the dumbest rocks ever in trying to figure out how they lost. I will simplify it for them: Bush sucked, his approval ratings were mid to high twenties. McLame was old, doddering, unstable, seethed with anger, was boring and inspirational and he picked Palin. Palin scared normal people. The economy tanked. Obama picked an experienced running mate in Biden and ran a near flawless campaign. 63 million Americans are apparently, not stupid.

[hadrons]

16. I like ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton for using "McLame" ....

but man these guys are truly lost

[Curtland1015]

17. "Blame the 3,000,000+ in FL that don’t might not becoming energy independent"

...HUH!?

:rofl:

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Do they honestly think McCain played nice? That he didn't attack? My word, what would _their_ idea

of a perfect campaign have looked like?

[Marsala]

22. "MARXIST! COMMIE! TERRORIST! TRAITOR! MUSLIM!"

They would have been thrilled to hear that from McCain.

[Drunken Irishman]

19. Fine Gold, really?

Are you fucking serious? No, that isn't anti-Semitic at all!

[galaxy21]

21. "Blame Mike Huckabee for running a populist (not conservative) platfrom under the auspices

of social conservatis"


Isn't this basically Palin? She's a social conservative, but she's not a fiscal conservative at all, and her track record shows this.

[NotThisTime]

57. I don't think Huckster ran as a populist when he wanted to change our constitution to be bible based

:spank: These people seriously don't get what the right has done to this country over the last 8 years....

[footinmouth]

23. Poor VA Farmer

Every so often you will find somebody over there that gets it. Sadly, they are never heard from again. They are labeled a troll and tossed out on their sorry ass.

I remember reading one post the day after the election, the poster said "the reason we lost is that we don't seem to give a crap ... we don't care about normal people with normal problems, we just tell them they don't have any problems and to take care of themselves".

We don't give a crap. Finally somebody gets it over there. That post mostly just sat there unnoticed.

[galaxy21]

24. There are people over there that seem to realize Palin is an idiot

and should not be leading the party. But that's lost on the 90% of people who think she's the poltician of the century.

I was reading a thread over there about the notorious Africa story, and one person was claiming it was the work of Satan, and evil to doubt Palin and someone actually called her nuts and said 'you're a satanist, if you question her not knowing all the continents in the world?'

[Captain Lance Bass]

25. They say Obama "hypmotized" the masses n/t

[Critters2]

54. My feelings exactly. This guy gets it, and they could profit greatly by listening to him.

So, of course, they don't! Okay. We'll just keep winning, and they'll become more irrelevant. Just remember, VA Farmer warned 'em.

[anonymous171]

26. Wow. Ron Paul's foreign policy is the only thing I like about him.

Freepers are insane.

[Captain Lance Bass]

27. MORE Insanity from the nuthouse

0bama is the AntiReagan.



4 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:06:13 PM by counterpunch ( Mike Pence for House Minority Leader. Now!)
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The left is desperate for success. They’ll fail like they always do. Their policies don’t work.



5 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:06:43 PM by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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He must mean Ron Jr.



6 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:07:16 PM by Carl LaFong (I'm Sarah Palin)
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Jon Markham is a maroon!



7 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:07:33 PM by austingirl
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Obama is evil and hatred personified.
Come inauguration, he will become the most dangerous man alive.

His hatred for white Americans is strong, and his Stalinism will creep out through the "Fairness Doctrine" and his attempts to disarm the Republic.

Obama is going to start a war right here in America.


8 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:09:41 PM by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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Reagan was a masterful extemporaneous speaker
Obama is a stuttering imbecile without his teleprompter.

Anyone who says that Obama is like Reagan in any way is a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.


9 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:10:52 PM by Yankee
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Trickle-Down made economic sense and was proved to be true — it created the economic boom that klinton inherited and jacked, which led to what we have now.

“Build up” makes NO economic sense and is just a fig leaf for socialistic wealth transfer, which is the hinge for the vote-purchasing we saw last week.



10 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:11:01 PM by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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PERCEPTION is what the MASSES go for....they (the MSM writers/propagandists) have created the perception that the U.S. is the bad guy, that NOW, Obama will fix....and NOW they are going to TRY and SAY he is Ronald Reagan....we’ll see if THIS works....



11 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:12:11 PM by goodnesswins (CONSERVATIVES....saving America's A** whether you like it or not!)
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LOL! What a buffoon. Obama’s policies are exactly the opposite of Reagan. Reagan had trickle down economics and Obama has trickle up poverty.



12 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:13:50 PM by perfect_rovian_storm (RNC:NEWT OR NOT ONE DAMN DIME!)
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These people are so clueless as to the success of Reagan it’s beyond my comprehension.

Yes, he was a good speaker, but it was his IDEAS that brought this country stability and ended (temporarily) the Cold War.

And this guy is the Money guy? The Money reporter? And he thinks Obama will be like Reagan because he speaks well?

And I have to actually question how this man made President when we have bozos like these giving advice in the lofty position of “journalist”.



13 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:14:32 PM by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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Yeah. And the MSM is the new Josef Goebbels. There shall be no criticizing the New Messiah, since any such criticism would obviously be racist. There clearly cannot be any “merited” criticism, because “earning” or “merit” are obsolete terms, tending to refer to individual traits which only serve to distinugish, hence divide us.

We’re going to hear this kind of utter nonsense for minimally four years. Sigh.



If the Republican party returned to just the center it would require a HARD RIGHT TURN!
LLS


3 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:53:01 PM by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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That’s what the “Right” needs, consultation from the Post. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

We need a message, and to get on it. WWRD?



4 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:54:37 PM by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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We screwed up and got punished. Now we have two clear choices, We can listed to NEWT and rebuild a political machine that can win or we can live in the past with our heads in the sand (or other places) and lose.



5 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:58:17 PM by WellyP
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The GOP needs to get rid of homos like Rich Lowry.



6 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:58:17 PM by Perdogg (Gov Sarah Palin - President 2012)
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Sick of wandering in the wilderness?

Jump off a cliff.



7 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:58:33 PM by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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Chipmonk Cheeks Lowry can just shut up, for all I’m concerned.



8 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:58:34 PM by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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I had respect for Lowry because of his conservative leanings, but he apparently has gone so far left that a move to the right would make him a moderate.



9 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:59:22 PM by Bushbacker1 (President Bush has let me down! Palin in 2012!)
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“The Right Needs to Get Centered”

Translation: Give up your principles, Conservatives.



10 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:02:04 PM by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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Turning to the left was their demise, they need to become conservative again..Interesting that wapo is giving advice when they barely can printer their newspapers—I hope they go down totally..



11 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:02:43 PM by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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I had respect for Lowry because of his conservative leanings

Lowry could not lean any further toward conservatism than his endorsement of Mitt. So, to him, I am sure that the center looks like the right to him.

12 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:03:07 PM by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: nosofar
John Boner's 'leadership' in the House played a huge roll in the GOP's defeat on Tuesday.
Since taking over the House GOP Leader position from Tom DeLay on February 3, 2006, Boner has over seen a 20% loss in Republican members in the House. This has been an historic loss in under three years.

Such a dramatic partisan switch has not been seen since the Republican Revolution of 1994, and has not happened to the GOP since the election of 1948.

Consider this. Under Boner's 'leadership' of the past 33 months, Republicans have had a 20% decline in the House. That means that the stock market has actually been a more sound investment than John Boner over the last couple years.

It is absolutely insane that the Republicans would keep John Boner in a leadership position after two back to back historic defeats. We must STOP THE INSANITY! Now!

The American people stopped trusting Republicans, because under the 'leadership' of Boner the GOP has had no ideas, no vision, no principles, no direction, no leadership, and no ethics. Neither the facts nor the perceptions will change so long as John Boner remains House Minority Leader.

Boner has been soft on earmarks, soft on ethics. He opposed the earmark moratorium and refused to call for Ney's resignation. He supported the bailout. He's looked the other way on both ethics and spending, and because of this, Republicans are now lost in the wilderness. The man who lead the GOP into the wilderness is not the man to lead them out.

Everyone must contact their nearest Republican representative and demand they push John Boner aside for Mike Pence!


13 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:03:26 PM by counterpunch ( Mike Pence for House Minority Leader. Now!)
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Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review, the leading conservative magazine, probably, in the world. He ain't David Brooks or Christopher Buckley, who have been "seduced by the world," so to speak. The article makes a lot of sense. We're still fighting yesterday's war. Unless we can adapt conservative principles to the new battlefield, we will continue to lose and the country will slide into European style socialism.

14 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:05:27 PM by Timmy
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To: nosofar
Another temptation will be to blame John McCain: He was a maverick and not a conservative, and if only one of the faithful had run, Republicans would have been spared this defeat.
This is a fantasy. It's hard to imagine any Republican running ahead of McCain this year. Besides, even if no one ever mistook him for an emblem of modern conservatism, McCain's campaign nonetheless reflected some of its failings.

Aw shucks, Little Richie is afraid he won't get invited to the parties.


15 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:07:05 PM by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: Timmy
The problem is much bigger than Boehner. It's primary Bush and the Republican establishment. While I love what Bush has done in a lot of areas (abortion, judges, defense), he's refused to engaged the enemy (the Democrats) and have allowed them and the media to set the terms of the debate. When did he ever defend conservative principles, as Reagan did every time he opened his mouth? And nominating McCain. Perhaps any Republican would have lost this year, with the economy and the media, but at least we could have nominated someone with the stomach to fight Obama and expose his lies during the debates. The House members are casualties of the larger battle at the top.

16 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:10:31 PM by Timmy
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To: nosofar
Put a real conservative on the ballot and WIN!



17 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:12:08 PM by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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“conservatism has no clear national political leaders:

It’s difficult to argue with that, at this point.

“The question is how to appeal to the center again.”

Wrong. The question is, when will the Republican party stop trying to appeal to the center, and once again try to appeal to conservatives?



18 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:15:25 PM by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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This is a fantasy. It's hard to imagine any Republican running ahead of McCain this year.

Never mind the fact that he trailed even the 2nd tier candidates till late in the game. His nomination was the result of being able to outlast the other candidates and then pick up their delegates.

Our primary system is in serious need of an overhaul.

19 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:16:18 PM by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Timmy
Thank you for those observations. You are 100% correct.
I would add one comment. In 2006 several dozen state legislators across the Midwest, including my home state of ND were not reelected.
Long time conservatives were unexpectly defeated. It appears that left-wing groups were raising money and quietly (and legally) sending it to Democratic candidates.
We learned this several months later-I believe I learned about it on Free Republic. We should have been aware in January, 1997 of the left’s ability to raise money.


20 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:18:58 PM by Maine Mariner
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To: nosofar
Tuesday’s election was not a failure of the right, it was a validation of the right. The American people rejected the squishy middle.



21 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:24:13 PM by Natural Law
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To: WellyP
I voted for Newt’s “Contract with America” crowd. They got up there and pretty quickly forgot who sent them; got “into” the beltway trance and got derailed. I’m pretty much cynical now after watching the media finagle to get McCain for the GOP nominee, then finagle shamelessly to destroy Governor Palin and brand her shamefully as an inbred Alaskan Ignorant Hick beneath them. We’ll soon get to see how “experienced” and “smart” Obama is, and also how “smart” and “savvy” Gaffer Joe is on foreign policy.



22 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:26:07 PM by Twinkie (REPENT! Look Up! The Lord's Return Is At Hand . . . . .)
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The president the public recoiled from has had the strong support of conservatives...
Thought, what the hey? I might learn something. Stopped at this point.


23 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:27:24 PM by Onelifetogive (I'm gonna drop talk radio in favor of some audio books. Gotta lower my blood pressure.)
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I love all this Monday morning analysis that we have seen seeing in these blogs. Some of it is accurate to a degree. I don't think the American public is smart enough to punish a party for corruption because of some of the scandals. There will be scandals as long as there are politicians.
Here's my take on why McCain lost. I think it's a valid as any of the professionals.
1) Economy is bad. Yes most of the knuckle-draggers out there will blame the economy on the party in power. Or who is in the White House. It's strange that they never seem to take it out on Congress with the possible exception of 1994.
Most people are completely ignorant on economics. They have never studied economics in any manner. The rise in gas prices and the financial meltdown had specific causes that aren't the fault of Bush but the public or a large share of the public blamed it on him.

2) The War in Iraq- yes most of us know that things are much better in Iraq. The “Surge” advocated by McCain and fought against by Obama worked. The fact that Obama was completely wrong didn't impact the voting at all.

3 )McCain was a very weak candidate to begin with. McCain was a candidate because of the stupidity of the Republican Primaries. The way Republicans arranged their primaries allowed McCain to win despite the fact the 2/3 of the Republicans didn't want him. This was a recipe for disaster. NO MORE OPEN PRIMARIES.

4) AGE. McCain was foolish to run at his age. This worked against him with the much younger Obama. As for me I had no problem with his age but I a lot smarter than the average American.

5)MSM wanted Obama to win and did everything in their power to make him look good and McCain bad. We have got to figure out a way to deal with this. It has been a problem for a very long time but now it's so bad that they didn't even try to hide their bias. Oh how I hate the MSM.

6)Stupidity of American Public. Americans have been getting dumber for the past 40 years or more. A fraud and charlatan like Obama could never have been elected until very recently. Let's be honest. The average American is as dumb as a box of rocks. I've confirmed this myself by doing my own little nonscientific surveys.

7)Third World Immigration. The change in the immigration policies sine 1965 has resulted in a massive wave of poor people from around the world coming to the US. These people WILL vote Democratic because it is in their nature to want “goodies” from government. Just because you are fleeing tyranny and oppression or you are looking for a better life doesn't mean that you know what it takes to be a citizen of a democratic republic.


24 posted on Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:28:07 PM by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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The biggest problem as far as Conservatism goes is that there is not much left to conserve.
Our Government is Niagara Falls and we are trying to paddle a canoe up it and shut off the spigot!

Massive opportunities have been blown!

Now there will be a period of suffering.

After suffering will come a need.

Question is how much and in what ways will we suffer? And, what will we need to do?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

40. This is the bit that made me laugh

To: RobinMasters
Reagan was a masterful extemporaneous speaker
Obama is a stuttering imbecile without his teleprompter.

Raygun read speeches well because he was a sorta actor. I can remember how, when he was free balling it, Nancy had to whisper thing's to him to keep him on track.

[Captain Lance Bass]

45. I thought Nancy said :Just say no" to freeballing :-) n/t

[elshiva]

43. RACISM AND HOMOPHOBIA! WOO HOO!

"His hatred for white Americans is strong..."
NOPE, you are the RACIST.

"The GOP needs to get rid of homos like Rich Lowry."

Jeezus, if he was really a homosexual, they'd already have him burned at the stake. :mad:

[Firespirit]

46. "but I a lot smarter than the average American"

:rofl: OK "truthguy," I am sure that you a lot smarter. :sarcasm:

"John Boner's 'leadership' in the House played a huge roll in the GOP's defeat on Tuesday." Are we talking yeast roll, hamburger roll?

Or this?


Also LOL BONER! :rofl: The funniest thing is that, while here on DU we sometimes type it that way for laughs, I don't think that freeper realized the misspelling.

[JeffR]

51. And there it pretty much is in plain sight:

Naked, utter, ineluctable, immovable, intractable putrescence of anything resembling a critical faculty, an ability to perceive, an ability to reason, a shred of intellectual curiosity and willingness to live in the here and now. Freeperism, in short.

This typifies precisely the essential groupthink of these brainless pseudo-patriots, who slobber their pseudo-awareness and venture their pseudo-opinions from rickety little plywood soapboxes on the dim side of the internet.

As Buffy Ste. Marie sang in 1966: "My country 'tis of thy people you're dying." If the Obama years accomplish anything beyond ending the Iraq Occupation and turning the economy around - two huge and urgent challenges the achievement of which would ensure greatness - I hope it would be fostering a new seriousness in the American Conversation that would forever banish these stunted, proudly ignorant, hateful, absolutely vile little bastards into the dustbin of history, along with the ostentatiously abhorrent politicians they tend to support reflexively and unthinkingly.

[CitizenLeft]

58. wow... what you said!

:applause:

[CitizenLeft]

56. whoa... Clinton inherited an economic boom???

What? :rofl: I only have one thing to say to this simpleton: "IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID." Geez oh man.

And that Prole person truly, honestly, needs years of deep psychotherapy. Stupid isn't enough - what a sick demented delusional self-loathing individual.

And I spewed at this:

6)Stupidity of American Public. Americans have been getting dumber for the past 40 years or more. A fraud and charlatan like Obama could never have been elected until very recently. Let's be honest. The average American is as dumb as a box of rocks. I've confirmed this myself by doing my own little nonscientific surveys.

"I've confirmed this myself by doing my own little nonscientific surveys." :rofl: :spray: :rofl:

Astounding.

[Pithlet]

59. Oh, my...

"Tuesday’s election was not a failure of the right, it was a validation of the right. The American people rejected the squishy middle."

[Left Is Write]

67. I couldn't read through all that drivel, but are these people aware that Reagan was an ACTOR?

For eight years, he was acting out a role.

As for Democratic policies not working - conservatives, how are those Republican policies working out for you these days?

[ecstatic]

30. "You can’t fix stupid" omg... the irony is SOOO rich! LMAO nt

[Captain Lance Bass]

33. agreed lol n/t

[Engineer4Obama]

31. That don't think Joe the Plumber or spreading the wealth were important?

Joe the Fictional Plumber who was on Welfare and would have gotten a tax cut from Obama? What Ohians were supposed to love him cause he wore a Buckeyes hoodie?

Brain Exploding attempting to understand Freeper Logic

[D23MIURG23]

38. Don't think about it too hard...

Just say no to elective brain damage.

:crazy:

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. Did these idiot really take Samuel Joseph Weaselfucker the illegal plumber seriously??

Oh wait..... they took McCain and Moosealini as serious candidates. Guess that's a silly question. :rofl:

[ObamaDaMan]

34. Their Numbers Will Drop

Plenty of Republicans are ashamed. They now consider themselves libertarian. The question isn't whether we are shifting left, it's a question of how do we outlaw war and corporate greed. Let's hope Obama is a historical figure. We need a lot more than good vibes. Let's hope the truth emerges and people can put together sincerely what Obama is doing right and what he isn't.

I've never even considered voting Republican. Democrats are simply the more humane party. We should be completely out of Iraq. How long has it been since the Murtha push? I hope Obama picks some solid lefties and doesn't reach out too far over the aisle. Screw them and their politics of war. Maybe Reich for Secretary of Labour? He seems honest. Wasn't Feingold against the Patriot Act? I want to see major changes asap.

[BeyondGeography]

35. The funny part is they actually think the Republicans still deserve to be in charge

Check that, they believe some mythical version of "pure" conservatism is still best for the country. And they thnk Palin as a standard-bearer will turn it all around for them.

They're lost.

[Raine]

39. Bwahahahahaha WE won, YOU LOST ...

GET OVER IT!!!!! :rofl:

[yellowcanine]

41. "Guliani, Romney, Huckabee would have shown Obama up for the empty head he is

Especially Rudy Guliani with his biting sarcasm"
:rofl:

[Captain Lance Bass]

44. Insanity is a freeper virtue n/t

[elshiva]

42. Fucking racist assholes!

"The left spent 50 years paying blacks to breed and not work. The left spent twenty years paying illegals to breed and not work." FUCK YOU! :grr: :mad:

Freeps are so fucking racist.

[Number23]

47. What the...?? Did you see "river rat's" signature line??

"river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.) "

LOLOL Was he masturbating when he came up with that foolishness?? He probably squeals like a, well... RAT every time a dustbunny gets too close to his bunions.... those people take idiocy to a whole new level....

The same people with the most braggadocious sig lines and who talk the most crap about their precious, precious guns are the ones scared sh*tless when a black person casually looks in their direction. Chicken sh*t and cowards, the whole lot of them....

[camera obscura]

52. Ten bucks says he has no idea where "turn the other cheek" comes from

They're openly challenging Jesus's commandments now. Love it!

[Number23]

61. Oh, I have no doubt he hasn't a clue where that phrase comes from

And even if he did, his desire to "stare into the dead vacant eyes of his enemy" would still trump anything as wishy-washy as Christian love.... :eyes:

[Captain Lance Bass]

55. "dustbunny gets too close to his bunions..." ROTFLMAO! n/t

[Danger Mouse]

48. This is far too much concentrated stupid to be handled safely by human hands.

:scared:

[CitizenLeft]

50. they will never, ever learn

The left spent 50 years paying blacks to breed and not work. The left spent twenty years paying illegals to breed and not work. And we spent most of that time electing RINOs too afraid to say that both were wrong. Why are we surprised that they finally got their moneys worth?

No, you racist moron, THIS is why your dumb asses lost the election, and God willing, the next ten.

[Cali_Democrat]

53. Racist Bastards!!!

:grr:

[truthisfreedom]

60. The strangest thing of all? They have no idea the gift we've given them by electing Obama!

Obama is going to help all of us thru a bush-created crisis of biblical proportions.

[jerryster]

62. Thanks for the post.

I'm at work so I don't have time to read the whole thing right now. Funny how the freepers think people are stupid NOW. They just haven't paid attention for the last 8 years, have they?

Anyway, help me out. I admit I don't know what RINO stands for.

[comtec]

64. like dino "In Name Only"

D = dem, r - rethug.

[renie408]

65. You know what I don't understand? Why WOULD anybody care about Joe the Plumber?

He wasn't a plumber, he wasn't in danger of the thing he was protesting...hell, his name isn't even Joe.

[Captain Lance Bass]

66. because Joe 6 pak was voting for Obama! n/t

[zulchzulu]

68. Reading these twits' adoration for low-grade filth like Palin and Joe The Plumber is amusing

One common thread with Palin and PlumberNot is that they are both phony and ill-prepared for being accepted by humans with a thought process.

[Captain Lance Bass]

69. Saint Sarah of Moosburg