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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:49 PM
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Taking Senators out for the Cabinet and diminishing the Dem lead seems selfish, pull
a couple of moderate GOP such as both US Senators from Maine.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:51 PM
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1. relax. they know what they are doing.
nobody is going to be pulled from a state where the seat will flip to R.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:52 PM
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2. what senators are you referring to?
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:05 PM
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10. Collins and Snowe
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:52 PM
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3. Or Pull Wes Clark
oops
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:52 PM
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4. If the Senator in question comes from a state with a Democratic
Gov. I highly doubt they would replace them with a Republican. Plus, some states have rules that state the replacement must come from the same political party. I highly doubt the majority will be diminished.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:58 PM
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6. Right now the Mass Gov doesn't appoint they are trying to change. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:02 PM
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9. Not going to happen. They cannot change the way senators are chosen
depending of the political affiliation of the governor. People will not go for that.

This said, assuming we have to vote again (for whichever seat it is, and I hope it is not Kennedy), a Democratic Senator will be elected. It is just that it may not be the one the political mafia in MA would chose.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:20 PM
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12. It was changed just 3 or 4 yrs ago to bypass the Gov. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:26 AM
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14. Which is why it will not change again....\nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:24 PM
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13. True, but a Democrat will win
as there are many strong Democrats and no strong Republicans.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:28 AM
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15. so what? no repuke stands a chance in MA of getting elected to the Senate
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:54 PM
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5. Considering what he just accomplished, I believe Barack Obama likely
will make excellent picks for the Cabinet.


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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:58 PM
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7. Not just fiendishly clever
but they are among the few anyone can trust anyway. Getting Hagel away from the regroupers and into DC should defang his presidential ambitions nicely and actually redeem him too. I'm all for redemption. Lugar seems honestly concerned about real foreign policy issues. Anyone one can conceive of as having retained any usefulness or integrity in THAT party are indeed worthy of consideration and some trust.

Meanwhile I think the shiny faces of Thune, Pawlenty, Jindahl, et. al. are the soft core GOP inheritors of the mess and are neither revolutionary nor able continuers of anything. They have picked themselves apart. Real trolls like Mitch and Inhofe I wish could be appointed to something, but I can't think of anything safe enough to attract them.

This shouldn't be too hard. Bush has pretty well exhausted the list of the worst and dumbest GOP goons.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:01 PM
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8. Your concern is duly noted
:eyes:
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Morpheal Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:07 PM
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11. Bringing Change Ought to Mean Changing Who is Chosen
If President Elect Barack Obama is to really bring the change he promises to America, then he will also have to change the criteria as to who gets chosen for key posts in his administration.

What Mr. Obama needs is to break with historical trends. Barack Obama should not follow in the footsteps of his predecssors in choosing the already privileged, coming from sheltered lives, who have neither studied the realities (despite some having academic degrees) nor have they really lived the struggles faced by the majority of "we the people".

Instead he should choose those who know.

Imagine a nation where health is led by someone who knows how tough it is for the poor to get good care. Someone who knows what a profit motive does when it comes to placing a price on human life and quality of life. Housing led by someone who knows the slum and ghetto realities. Someone who knows how hard it is in much of America to get and keep a decent roof over a family's head. Someone who knows about the never ending conflict of landlords and tenants. Education by someone who knows how prejudiced, tainted and unprogressive education in America often is. Someone who has read and understands Thoreau. Someone who has taught underprivileged, poor, children in America. Someone who has educated in today's decaying urban inner city schools. Environment by someone who knows how short sighted much of modern commerce with Nature really is, and who knows not only the horrors hidden behind the hyperbole and propaganda of environmental responsibility, but who knows the hidden solutions that remain suppressed because it isn't competitive enough and it isn't good business, and it isn't cost effective enough. Someone who knows how to listen to the many oppressed scientists and engineers who have answers to offer but who have been silenced, like political prisoners in a totalitarian regime. Silenced by stigmatization. Silenced by lost funding. Silenced by threat.

We could go on mentionning every major department in the government that needs the appointment of new leadership. It is the principle that needs changing. Barack Obama, please choose men and women who are good, wise, and true. Break with the trend, and bring real change to America and the world that it endeavours to lead. In that way reassert that lagging leadership with what is right, not what is most expedient, popular, or easy to do. Traditional choices have always failed because they are inherently conservative and aimed at reducing or thwarting change. Traditional choices, methods of selection, were never meant to be catalysts of real change.

Barack Obama the risks you have already taken are larger than most men have ever endured, and in a world of international strife among various irrational and passionately fought for extremes, you continue to take an even greater risk. That already given fact allows you, Barack Obama, to choose differently. You are the first who has won the opportunity to take greater risks than any who came before you. Risks to faciliate positive change in America and the world.

Robert Morpheal


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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:36 AM
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16. I think right now we maybe need to trust Obama to do the right thing?
He has done things spot on so far, why do we think we need to worry about what he will do now? If he chooses a senator for something it will be because he thinks that person is the right person for the job. Same with anyone else inside or outside of government, Democrat or Republican.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:44 AM
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17. I think you are forgetting a couple of things: talent and resource
One.

If you are looking for the kind of change that you are talking about, the backbench (liberal talent) and the canaries in the mine (liberal bloggers and reporters) need to take the initiative to find the kinds of people you are talking about.

Kerry found Obama for that speech in 2004. He couldn't get in the convention by himself in 2000. How did he find Obama?


This brutha (intentional spelling) cannot, CANNOT, know and do everything. If you have someone in mind, by all means TELL US WHO THESE NONTRADIONAL PICKS ARE.


Two.

I have no problem with idealism. I enjoy it on OCCASION. But Barack Obama ran in two directions at once: idealism and practical calculation.

If you were watching the idealism of a Barack Obama, you missed the practical consideration: BYE BYE TRINITY UCC, see ya Sammantha Powers, don't let the door hit you Civil Rights establishment and if Michelle is getting untold scrutiny...well we will put her in venues where she won't be front page news.


Barack Obama was never empty vessel. He had a point of view. Hope and change will be balanced by what is practical in this environment.

Two wars = experience REQUIRED

Economic collapse = Who knows what works to get this situation in hand? EXPERIENCE


Former healthcare debacle? = Where can we find someone who has already been dogged out in a healthcare skirmish. More Washington experience.




No one can transform government without working within the existing structure to get there.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:48 AM
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18. WTF?
A trademarked post. And #6 at that.
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