Why are some DU members helping the Freepers?

[Onlooker]

I just want to scream: Shut up! (Or Please be quiet!) When the Swift Boat Liars came out, did anyone see the right wing questionning them? No, the right wing lined up behind them 100%. The right-wing lines up behind Fox 100%, Rush 100%, Hannity 100%, and so on. The right-wing lies to win, and it seems to work.

We, on the other hand, start doing our own analysis of the memos, some of us even coming down on the same side as the right wing. Well, let the right wing do their own dirty work, but most importantly, don't turn the question of the memos into the issue. The issue is whether or not Bush fulfilled his NG service. That's the only issue we should be talking about, because it's clear he did not.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

1. Just curious, but did you ever think that the "DUers" coming down....

...on the side of the rightwing might actually be freepers hanging out on DU?

Think about it.

[Walt Starr]

2. Naaaaah, shit like that wouldn't happen!

A Freeper would never hang out on DU posing as a DUerr just to help Freepers.

/sarcasm (for the humor impaired).

[Wickerman]

3. What! Freepers at the DU?

Stunned! I am stunned.

:sigh: I wish.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

36. Round up the usual suspects!

[Onlooker]

4. I usually look at the number of posts

If someone says something suspicious and has under 25 posts, I wonder, but if someone has several hundred posts either their true DUers, I think, or they have an unhealthy obsession with that which they don't like.

[lunarboy13]

17. I don't know...

I have heard of Freepers here with over 1000 posts...so it is possible...How about looking for the golden star after their name? Freepers are conservative by nature. I don't think they'd give a penny to any liberal cause...

That's not to say it hasn't happened, but I presume it to be a much more rare event than a Freeper with 1000 posts!

[Catherine Vincent]

19. They could still have stars.

During DU's fundraising week, some DUers will contribute money to a fellow DUer that can't contribute at the time. That could be how the freeper gets a star.

[Walt Starr]

23. Yeah, and there could beFreepers who kicked in $5 a year, too

:shrug:

It would be enough to get them a star.

Post counts and gold stars mean nothing here.

The posted words are what matters.

When in doubt, hit alert. That's the rule I live by. Let the mods sort it out.

[dweller]

33. let's ask the admins!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x21629

they'll know.

;)

dp

[Kathy in Cambridge]

9. I'm Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you

How funny that some freepers are longtime DU posters. I would have NEVER noticed! /sarcasm on/

[senseandsensibility]

5. I agree

It's ridiculous to call the memos fake when there is no proof. If we had any balls, we wouldn't admit they were fake even if someone else proved it. But trying to help them prove it? I thought it was time for hardball. I'm just a prissy elementary school teacher, and I know this isn't even close.;(

[Kathy in Cambridge]

6. Well, there are reasons some always take the contrarian point of vue

and it's pretty obvious sometimes what their agenda is.

If the documents aren't real (I personally think they are), then I think it's a trick by Rove to discredit the Kerry campaign. It's his modus operandi.

[Walt Starr]

8. That theory simply does not fit

Kerry's hands are squeaky clean here. Hell, he hasn't touched this story and probably never will!

In fact, if Rove forged the documnets then the story becomes even WORSE for Bush!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

20. Rove has a history of dirty deeds

He bugged his own office and blamed his opponent. He sent out forged campaign leters on stolen letterhead to discredit his opponent. He had the Debate notes mailed to Gore campaign to accuse them of thievery. Don't you think he will come up with a convenient fall guy for the TANG info and connect that person to Kerry?

:tinfoilhat:

Maybe I'm being too paranoid...

[Pobeka]

10. And, if forged, the sooner we know it the better!

Not saying they are or aren't, but I sure like to know the truth first!

[Protected]

7. It's not helping the Freepers, it's trying to get to the truth

I think the documents do look strange for 1970s era documents given the proportional font and superscripts used. That said, I highly doubt that CBS News and Dan Rather would have used these documents if they weren't completely convinced that they're real.

[gospelized]

16. .

johnathan, darling, proportional spacing was invented in 1941 and was widely used by the 1960s on IBM typewriters, which is what was used. they also had levers to allow you to do superscript.

[Protected]

18. Yes, I've read that in other threads

There are also posts like this one which are interesting:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

(Check out the "superimposed" image)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. Trusting Little green footballs and FR to show anything of relevance

is like putting lipstick on a pig. Kind of useless.

[dennis4868]

11. thats the best post.....

i have read all day...thanks....dems like to shoot themsleves in the foot.....repubs dont have to do it for us....

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. I personally don't believe that Dems are doing the shooting....

...they may post on DU, but that doesn't necessarily make them Dems.

[Mick Knox]

12. Guilty as charged on the memo issue

Sorry about that. You make real good points.

Maybe we are too damn honest for our own good.

I think they are fake but what you say rings very true. I'm no freeper but I was just looking at it honestly.

Its a character flaw of good people I guess.

[aquart]

30. I believe the documents are genuine BUT questions have been raised

And the point of allowing opposition viewpoints is to hone our own.

If that means becoming conversant with fonts and typewriters from the early 70s, big deal. Is that beyond us? I think not.

BTW, the signatures are genuine. They have the variation, idiosyncracy, and confidence of real signatures.

As to the CYA, someone has already posted that CYA memos were common.

[Demi_Babe]

13. the dems natural desire to seek truth and balance

we get it honest!

[Tom Kitten]

14. Umm, freepers registered as DU members maybe?

Remember, they claim to have infiltrated this place and if they win in November to expose themselves so they can gloat!
I cannot back this up, I only remember reading it in a thread...

Lots of Machiavellians out there in this Orwellian world so be cautious or grow callouses...

And yes I've heard plenty about how negative a person I am!

[LoZoccolo]

24. Some of us just like to tell the fucken truth maybe.

That way, they can't dismiss our controversial points as outright lies.

[Doohickie]

28. You know, we get all over the freepers

For accepting Bush's lies as truth and accepting them without question. Then, when some of our number try to dig into the truth of the memos, we get all over their cases too.

So..... what do you guys want? You want Dems to act like freepers and check our brains at the door?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[LoZoccolo]

29. You make a good point.

Also, remember that FReepers are a lot about themselves politically. Their position has that advantage that satisfies certain greeds. Now if they can find little places where we lie or obviously cover up shit, well, they're just dying to use all that to dismiss us as full of shit so they can go back to satisfying those greeds.

[Tom Kitten]

32. Nobody intimidates me here anymore...

I only post here because I feel passionate, period... and can only express it the best way I know how, which I admit is naive at best..To that I say So what? I do also happen to live in a real world where I see a lot of pain...
I started a thread in this forum a few days ago expressing my disgust at all this negativity and how we have to support Kerry and I was immediately branded negative myself and to my chagrin I apologized ...well fuck that! As far as I still know I can still express myself here on this forum I contribute money to...
I just do not see any reason for this stupid hotheaded infighting bullshit, even now I am not sure (but no longer care) if people agree or disagree with me or think of me as an insignaficant gnat not worthy of listening to...that's what 's the Republicans are for after all? Huh? Maybe?

[0rganism]

21. Maybe because PETER FUCKING JENNINGS is helping the freepers?

"Typewriters with a 'th' superscript were very rare..."

Well, gee, I guess that automagically makes it all bullshit, right?

[Spiffarino]

25. I think this settles it for good.

Good luck trying to disprove it now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x780217

[LoZoccolo]

26. Why are some DU members spreading McCartheyesque paranoia?

I think the FReepers would love a witchhunt and it's subsequent fucked-up lack of reason it would promote hmmmm?

[Gyre]

27. I'm sure some think I'm a freeper

when I've ranted about Kerry's stated position on Iraq. It's not like I'm not pulling hard for Kerry. It is that I believe that I have the right to criticize people when they act stupid, that nobody's perfect, and I totally hate it when we make something harder for ourselves when it is so unnecessary.

I'm so misunderstood. Snif. :cry:

Gyre

[Gold Metal Flake]

31. The memos are like a gift.

Question any and all gifts in an election year.

If we disect this thing, and in the end it is real and true, then we will be better prepared to counter the claims to the contrary.

Or, we could all just stick our heads up our asses and go "lalalalalalalalalala" any time something might not fit our rosy opinion and allow others to control the debate.

There are Trillions of dollars at stake here. Who would ever think of pulling a dirty trick for some of that? Nah, couldn't happen. To suggest that it could is, oh, TREASON!!!! Yeah, sure. Nice try.

[Slit Skirt]

34. Carville's advise to all dems

........don't give them an inch and never back down.

[Blue_Roses]

35. Yep I agree

giving them an inch is like spending an eternity in hell

[qanda]

37. I know of one DUer in particular...

That comes to piss on every single thread. Why that person has yet to be banned is beyond my ability to understand.

[dweller]

38. use the alert n/t