Has anyone seriously looked into relocating?

[grace0418]

Firstly, has anyone relocated to a swing state to try to change the vote (you are my heroes)?

Secondly, has anyone starting looking into relocating to another country should Bush cheat his way into office again? I would be curious to know what people have learned about the process. What countries would be the most viable and accepting? Where could American ex-pats find jobs?

I can't live in a military dictatorship, and as much as I love this country I will leave it if Bush continues to run it into the ground.

[daveskilt]

1. i WAS relocating to ohio from georgia

took a job there instead of elsewhere (because it was a swing state) but the total bastards at DPL reneged on the deal after I had started packing - so I'm in illinois but interviewing on monday for a job in california where all I can do is piss off a few orange county folks.

[democratreformed]

4. What do you do for DPL?

Do you mean Delta and Pineland?

[daveskilt]

9. dayton power and light - and they screwed me nt

[cheshire]

11. Hey don't dispair we have the boobiegrabber to out and polls show we

aren't as strong Dem as we use to be so Welcome we need you.

[Norquist Nemesis]

34. Yes, Illinois' a strange dog...

I've lived in Coles County (central Illinois) and now DuPage County (Chicago suburbia). Both are heavy Republican. It's a miracle I turned out to be a Liberal...of course, I grew up with my parents telling me I had "headbone problems". LOL They weren't too happy when I acted like a brat because they refused to support a school referendum (for example).

I do get tired of the uphill struggle sometimes though. *sigh* I haven't thought about moving to another state, unless you consider Australia or New Zealand another state. :) Unfortunately, I'd have to go it alone and leave my husband behind though.

[charlie105]

2. I heard some caller on the Franken show claim that he's moving from

CA to Ohio in time to be able to register to vote there. He said there were more like him traveling in trailers. This was about a couple of months ago.


One of the best places to move to, and this is no joke, is the Middle East. Specifically, a more cosmopolitan region like the UAE (United Arab Emirates). The business center of the whole Middle East is Dubai, located in the UAE. Nice place. And Americans can find great jobs with some great pay. If you are serious, you may want to look into that.

[gospelized]

3. canada

i plan to live in Toronto by the end of the year, if bush "wins."

we picked there because it won't be culture shock; they're basically americans. and gay marriage is legal.

[maine_raptor]

5. Staying here in Maine if Bush wins

House has own well, an orchard, garden, and cleared field of fire all around property.

I'll wait'em out.

[DaveSZ]

6. I would move to Canada

if we became a fascist dictatorship.

However I'm staying to fight first.

I'll be in New Mexico in another week (from Texas).

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

38. I desperately want to move back to Maine.

I'm a native and I know I belong there. It is such a great place to live. I hope to be able to move back there in a few years. I would like for my son to grow up in Maine too.

[wadestock]

7. I sympathize....

I have a son that would be eligible for a draft if Bush got in a second term....so that makes it 100% a sure deal for me if it comes to that.

I realize your comments are not tongue in cheek and you're serious. This is indeed serious schit because what we're looking at in all probability is the likelihood that terrorism will strike in that term.

People have confused "no terrorist attacks since 911" with the Iraq war initiative. They don't realize the plain logic that Al Queda got 1000 times more than they ever realized in 911....so they're still basically laying low for now. Let's face it....no need to follow up with 911 for years since it was so terrible devastating....1 Trillion in damage....and led to the Iraq war and all sorts of other problems to boot that we've brought upon ourselves....so terrorism in general has to be thinking they have the upper hand at this point.

But since we have not grown up and actually continue to feed the fire that much more....you HAVE to expect another 911 in the future. With our eyes off the ball there are too many horrible scenarios to consider. Day by day you'll be hearing more and more about how easy it is for them to attack us....geeze it pisses me off we continue to give them ideas.

You just have to look at these plain facts and conclude that there would be a significant risk in living in the US at that point.

[grace0418]

8. Thanks

I am completely serious. I'm not even sure my husband would come with me but I will not be a party to a regime like Bush. And, since I'm such a rabid anti-Bush advocate, I'm sure I would be on a master list somewhere for extermination should he decide to suspend the Constitution and declare martial law.

And jeez, the thought of having a draft-age son would make the notion of moving absolutely certain in my mind.

[Slit Skirt]

10. I am moving too

anywhere...anybody with information please reply...
there will be a draft...heard a guy on the radio that said he was an officer of a activated reserve unit....says he was in charge of all the draft boards...they are all active now...."every county in the United States" has become active......just no one is talking about it till after the election.

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[napi21]

12. I'm thinking about moving to Sicily, or Mexico.

I know, they're both so different! My son works in Sicily, and at least I wouldn't have to put up with ShrubCO. Problem is, it's really tough to get a job there.

I found this location in Mexico that seems really great. I've already contacted the relocators and got a lot of information. It sounds good and doable for me.

I think moving to another state to have an effect on this election is a futile effort. Heck, you'd have to move GM operations from Mich to somewhere else to have enough votes to make a difference.

[saracat]

13. I have.

Outside Toronto, it is muuuuch cheaper in the outlying districts.I am torn between trying to fight and moving somewhere I don't have to be ashamed to live.My husband is reluctant but we have no decent jobs anymore. We have no health insurnace and we might as well sellout while we can if it comes to that. I will stay and fight if it looks like the rest of the Americans are willing too, but if they appear to have drunk the cool aid, I can't align myself with them. But in the meantime, my house just became the Kerry phone bank center so I will be doing my best to prevail!

[abrock]

14. It all depends.

If Bush does win, and they do indeed put in the draft, and I'm eligible for it (I'll be 25 before June 15 when its supposed to start under the current proposal) I will certainly try to leave. Probably not Canada, as they've signed an agreement to kick back draft dodgers. I'll head for Sweden, Germany, or maybe even France.

Heh, won't that be funny? Help, France, ASYLUM!

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

15. Repatriation to France

I read somewhere in a news report during 2000 that France has an interesting law. If you were born in any former French Territory (e.g., the Louisiana Purchase), you can apply for emergency repatriation to France and be fast-tracked to French citizenship.

It would be so great for me if that turns out to be true...

[Shopaholic]

17. Well, damn!

I was born in South Carolina. Guess that rules me out of the fast-track in France--besides which, my french just sucks. I wonder if the Dutch will take me--I've been thinking about relocating to St. Maarten/St. Martin. Half the island is French, the other half is Dutch. Just in case, you know. . .

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

25. Nice Cultural Stereotypes there, Bob

Soap is not widely used in France because body wahses (gel douche) are. We have them here in the US too.

The French have been tough on fighting terrorism. Perpetuating the RW myth that the French are cowards flies in the face that the French resistance was a serious pain in the ass to their Nazi occupiers. Any more BS you want to spout about the French?

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[abrock]

27. The USA only helped out when it was in their own interests to do so.

Read up on your history, we never helped anyone because we wanted to be friendly. We only jumped into europe because Hitler declared war on us, and we only jumped into the pacific because japan attacked first. Now, we're in Iraq because either we're afraid of WMD capable terrorists or we want more control of the oil market, depending who you ask. We sure didn't do it to free the people of Iraq, though thats a 'nice bonus'.

[Bob Hannah]

37. Not so fast.....

Why did we go to Korea and Viet Nam? It wasn't for real estate and riches.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

45. Well tell us WHY then

to fight the commies?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

31. They have troops in Afghanistan RIGHT NOW

They had troops in the first Iraq war. They contribute more troops to NATO and UN forces than any other country. They are active in humanitarian organizations that deliver food into combat zones. We'd be speaking with a British accent if they hadn't helped us during the Revolutionary War.

France lost half of the adult males between 18 and 40 in WWI. Many came back without limbs or with nerve damage. They did not have the MANPOWER to fight in WWII, nor the technology. I wonder if you've EVER read any history that wasn't recommended by Fox News. Enjoy your brief stay. :hi:

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

41. The French had left a power void in Vietnam

and then we went in and lost there too. We should have listened to them when a French general told us we'd be bogged down in a quagmire.

You really should see the Documentary "Fog of War" to brush up on Vietnam War history.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

33. As a footnote, my ex-boyfriend was French. His grandfather was a POW

in WWII. The Nazis cut off his pinkies on both hands. The French have suffered during two wars. You have no fucking idea, obviously.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

42. How funny. My grandfather fought in France in WWII.

My dad fought in Korea. Three uncles fought in 'Nam and one came home in a body bag.

My story was to illustrate that the French faced unimagined brutality by the Nazis. Again, reading history often helps widen perspective.

[Reciprocity]

16. Yes New Zealand.

Work and live permanently in New Zealand as a skilled migrant
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/Migrant/Stream/Work/WorkAndLivePermanently

I fell in love with this area.
WELCOME TO HAWKES BAY, NEW ZEALAND
http://www.hawkesbaynz.com/

[gauguin57]

44. New Zealand is the place my friends and I have been talking about

too

[grace0418]

47. I've heard that it's very difficult to get citizenship in NZ

Because I would LOVE to move there. Being a Finn fan (FinnFan will understand this I imagine), I have a sense that I would love living in NZ, but I've heard that it's very difficult. I have friends who tried and were not successful. You had to prove that you would be an asset to their country and provide a skill, service or talent that is lacking. I could be wrong though, this is just what I heard. Maybe I should check into it more. It seems like somewhere that wouldn't interest Dubya very much in his quest for worldwide domination. That's what scares me about Canada. It's too close for comfort.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Ireland looks good for my family if Nana has dual citizenship

(her dad was born there.)

[qwertyMike]

51. Then Nana is Irish

It only takes one of your 4 grandparents

[AmerDem]

19. I'm supposed to relocating to Florida from Pa.

It will defiantly be after the election though. I hope Florida isn't too tore up by time I get there. We are looking at Tampa area.

[bitchkitty]

20. Here I stay -

this is my home.

[LimpingLib]

21. If about 150,000 progressives moved to Wyoming .....

..... then we could have 2 Senators and a congressperson just like the late Wellstone or Feingold or Nader.


Ill go if the other 149,000 agree.

And the second somebody starts saying something like "YEEESS now we can nominate somebody like Dean or Hillary from Wyoming" then count me OUT lol.

I will only make the move if it actualy makes a difference not just different window dressing.

[RichardRay]

52. I'm already here!!!! It's not THAT cold, really....

It would only take a couple of thousand to wrap up Teton County tight. We almost had it a couple of years ago and the state lege redrew the districts to disconnect Wilson from Jackson and connect Wilson (strongest liberal constituency in the state) to Afton (a hundred miles away and very conservative). That said, we could get the whole darn state for probably less than the noted 150,000 - total state population is under 450,000, kids included.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
(Ted Ladd for US Congress, send Barbara Cubin home)

[LynnTheDem]

22. Yes.

I hold dual citizenship US-Canadian. The minute soldier-hubby is allowed his retirement from the military, we're moving to Canada.

[Gregorian]

28. Yes. Not as easy as you think.

I recently tried to buy property in Canada, to move to.
First, you can only stay for 6 months without immigrant status.
Without going into details, it's a 1 1/2 year process.
And if you are over 49, they deduct points from your immigration exam.
Now if you are rich, anything goes. You can buy your way into any country.
So, it's not something that one can "just do".
I gave up. How could I buy property, and not be certain I could get a green card.

[chum]

29. Vancouver - New Zealand - Australia

is my short list.

[Hailtothechimp]

30. Any potential Wisconsin landlords out there???

The closer to the Illinois line, the better. I'd love to vote for Obama, but there are bigger races to consider.

[grace0418]

48. Obama's a virtual lock anyway

Every time Keyes opens his mouth Obama gets a vote.

[Fed Up]

32. leaving America = vulnerable to US foreign policy.

I don't think that's a good idea. We can do better here.

[TedsGarage]

53. You Can't Run From Uncle Sam

The U.S. is not like Belgium or Paraguay. You can't turn your back on this country and forget about it. As the world's superpower, what we do affects everyone. If we have a bad leader, it's not just our problem, it's the whole world's problem. The best thing you can do is stay here and see that the country's run well.

[not fooled]

35. just remember, it's not just chimp; there's jeb too...no end in sight?

just remember, if * gets back in for another term, or even if not, in '08 the 'pukes likely will pump up the equally corrupt brother. And, if people are stupid enough to cut their own throats by voting for chimp, they are stupid enough to vote for his brother, So, another 8 yrs of this lunacy...then they will have the next gen of the BFEE ready to run.

NZ or Canada are starting to look mighty good right about now

[GaryL]

39. If the shithead wins...

I'm going to Canada. Been researching it for the last 6 months. I may go anyway.

[Virginian]

43. Can Americans get jobs in India the way Indians get jobs in the US?

That may be my only hope for employment if the Chimp returns.

[mr_binklesworth]

46. I had considered becoming an expat, but...

I had considered becoming an expat, but...
I've decided that if Shrub gets re-elected, I'll dedicate my life to making sure those ass-clown repugnicans don't go near the WhiteHouse without an all-out fight.

This is my country, too, and, as much as I like the idea of living in a foreign land for a while, I really love this country, and I can't let the freaks drive me from it.

As much as I feel Bush has ruined the word "Resolve" for me, I feel that his getting re-elected would strengthen my resolve to fight for a better US.

Stand tough and don't wuss out!!!
Cheers,
Mike

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

49. No.

I can't relocate within the country, and I would never leave it. Never. I will stay and fight.

[jsw_81]

50. No

Only a coward would abandon the greatest nation in the world. I'm staying put even if Bush wins a landslide.

[grace0418]

54. Ouch

That's harsh. I respect your opinion but I don't think weighing my relocation options makes me a coward. Besides, I think of myself as a human first, and my first allegiance is to the human race. I don't think Americans are better than anyone else, just luckier. And because of this I feel I owe it to this world to stop Bush however I can. Because of my outspoken opinions, I may be able to fight Bush more from the outside than from inside, especially if he starts throwing everyone in Guantanamo Bay.

[Panda1]

57. I'm no coward!

I just happen to have two sons who will be drafted in a second coup term. One is already registered with Selective Service, required by law, and the other is due to register in a year. Don't you dare tell me I'm a coward. Do you have children?
I'm legally entitled to Irish citizenship and I'm getting it. My sons are too. They will NOT be used as cannon fodder by the BFEE. They will have EU passports and residential citizenship status in Ireland, a non-warmongering country.
I also have UK citizenship rights if I wanted them but Poodle is still WITH Chimpy.
I have fought against this regime all along, fairly, and in hopes that decency would prevail, but if they steal 2004 the way they stole 2000 all bets are off and MY SONS ARE NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION! They didn't invade Iraq. They didn't blow up innocent civilians. I won't allow them to be used the way my peers were during Vietnam.

My sons are not about to be used to increase the wealth of the WARMONGERING BFEE WAR PROFITEERS! It takes more guts to do what I'm doing than to sit around and wait for the draft.

Coward? How dare you. Please think about what you just said. As for the "greatest nation in the world".....that USED to be true but not anymore. What makes a nation great is the way it treats its young, its elderly and its impoverished. Still think we're so GREAT?

[Scorpious_Maximus]

55. Considering Europe - Perhaps UK

[kaitykaity]

56. We thought about it, but decided not to leave the country.

we're going to try to find some Kyzinski property
in Northern Idaho or Western Montana.

Or maybe deep in the Mount Hood National Forest.

Something outside of a city with it's own power, it's
own root cellar, it's own water supply.

You know?