in regards to the relevance of *'s service..

[michigandem2]

woudlnt' it be RELEVANT to a new voter who never paid attention to politics? all these media asses are acting as if this doesn't matter but to someone who knows nothing about Bush's prior lies and deciet..this might be an issue for them...why do they discredit this as being "old news" its showing he is a LIAR...once again..how much proof do we need that Bush is a fucking liar...they wanted the world to believe Clinton was this broken person and a liar for what he did...why is this different?

[wurzel]

1. Media is acting as if it don't matter because they know it does matter.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. A lot of kids in Iraq are "new voters"

yes, it's very relevant.

[Carolinian]

3. EXACTLY what I have been saying. We need to keep this

out front. Young voters need to know the facts about our Commander in Chief.

[annabanana]

4. It demonstrates a complete lack of respect

for the Military. He didn't listen to the commanders then...he didn't listen to the commanders who told him how many troops would be needed........he didn't listen to the commanders that told him not to abandon the unfinished work in Afganistan for the detour into Iraq

The list is endless... and it all started BACK THERE.

[bluedog]

5. Hers who dies......when AWOL was f"ing around!!

Here's the list of Midland, Texas boys who died in Nam in place of AWOL




Here are the young men from Midland, Texas, (Bush's hometown) who died in Vietnam in place of George W. Bush, as he stayed in Texas afraid to go to war:

(1) LASTNAME: CUTBIRTH FIRSTNAME: KENDELL DWAYNE IDNO: 1912851 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: SSG GRADE: E6 MOS: 0369 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670225 CAS1: A1 CAS2: G CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 01 LSVC: 06 BIRDATE: 19430429 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: ------ PANL: 15E LINE: 089 REFNO: 2287 PDATE: 6702

(2) LASTNAME: DYER FIRSTNAME: IRBY III IDNO: 458709452 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SGT GRADE: E5 MOS: 91B40 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19661202 CAS1: A3 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: BNR CTRY: LA PROV: LZ LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19430612 RACE: C REL: 99 MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 661202 PANL: 13E LINE: 004 REFNO: 133 PDATE: 6701

(3) LASTNAME: GUERRERO FIRSTNAME: ANDREW CASTRO IDNO: 449984505 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: CPL PP: + GRADE: E3 MOS: 11B10 AGE: 19 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19701217 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19510516 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 700619 PANL: 06W LINE: 127 REFNO: 28717 PDATE: 7012

(4) LASTNAME: HALL FIRSTNAME: BRUCE IDNO: 18742754 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B2P AGE: 19 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19671227 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 09 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19480516 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 671003 PANL: 32E LINE: 072 REFNO: 9539 PDATE: 6712

(5) LASTNAME: HODGES FIRSTNAME: RUFUS WELDON IDNO: 54388226 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 67V20 AGE: 21 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690117 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 26 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19471017 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680518 PANL: 34W LINE: 024 REFNO: 3232 PDATE: 6901

(6) LASTNAME: HOLLEY FIRSTNAME: GLYNN BYRON IDNO: 566821922 SVC: F COMP: R RANK: A1C GRADE: E3 MOS: ----- AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19691226 CAS1: C2 CAS2: L CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 11 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19490527 RACE: C REL: CC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 691206 PANL: 15W LINE: 093 REFNO: 427 PDATE: 6912

(7) LASTNAME: LOPEZ FIRSTNAME: PAULINO GUTIERREZ IDNO: 54382708 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: PFC GRADE: E3 MOS: 11B10 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670722 CAS1: A2 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 25 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19440622 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670501 PANL: 23E LINE: 106 REFNO: 7260 PDATE: 6707

(8) LASTNAME: MC KINNEY FIRSTNAME: CECIL CURTIS IDNO: 18728047 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP5 GRADE: E5 MOS: 91B2P AGE: 22 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19681005 CAS1: A1 CAS2: I CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19460926 RACE: C REL: BO MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670520 PANL: 41W LINE: 014 REFNO: 17621 PDATE: 6810

(9) LASTNAME: NIEDECKEN FIRSTNAME: RAYMOND ALVIS IDNO: 2353821 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: PFC GRADE: E2 MOS: 0311 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19671228 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 03 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19470812 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 671117 PANL: 32E LINE: 088 REFNO: 5441 PDATE: 6712

(10) LASTNAME: SATTERFIELD FIRSTNAME: HOWARD EUGENE IDNO: 525660321 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: SP5 GRADE: E5 MOS: 94B20 AGE: 37 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19700829 CAS1: C2 CAS2: U CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 02 LSVC: ** BIRDATE: 19320909 RACE: C REL: 99 MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 700219 PANL: 07W LINE: 023 REFNO: 5556 PDATE: 7008

(11) LASTNAME: SEGOVIA FIRSTNAME: RAUL LERMA IDNO: 54388602 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B20 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690130 CAS1: C1 CAS2: V CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 07 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19480330 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680909 PANL: 33W LINE: 022 REFNO: 3271 PDATE: 6901

(12) LASTNAME: SIMMONS FIRSTNAME: TRAVIS A JR IDNO: 7715206 SVC: N COMP: V RANK: HM3 GRADE: E4 MOS: HM3 AGE: 23 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19670316 CAS1: A1 CAS2: D CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 05 LSVC: 02 BIRDATE: 19430827 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: ------ PANL: 16E LINE: 098 REFNO: 240 PDATE: 6703

(13) LASTNAME: STALL FIRSTNAME: WILLIAM ROBB IDNO: 2303522 SVC: M COMP: R RANK: LCPL GRADE: E3 MOS: 0846 AGE: 20 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19680118 CAS1: A1 CAS2: G CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 01 LSVC: 00 BIRDATE: 19470214 RACE: C REL: PN MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670922 PANL: 34E LINE: 071 REFNO: 5613 PDATE: 6801

(14) LASTNAME: TAYLOR FIRSTNAME: SELVWYN RISHER IDNO: W3161245 SVC: A COMP: V RANK: WO GRADE: W1 MOS: 061B AGE: 31 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19690316 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 1 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 30 LSVC: 12 BIRDATE: 19371218 RACE: C REL: RC MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 680819 PANL: 29W LINE: 056 REFNO: 3435 PDATE: 6903

(15) LASTNAME: WATSON FIRSTNAME: GARY EUGENE IDNO: 54387872 SVC: A COMP: Y RANK: SP4 GRADE: E4 MOS: 11B20 AGE: 24 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19680403 CAS1: A1 CAS2: H CAS3: 7 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 06 LSVC: 01 BIRDATE: 19440318 RACE: C REL: CC MAR: S SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 670725 PANL: 47E LINE: 057 REFNO: 12830 PDATE: 6804

(16) LASTNAME: ZONNE FIRSTNAME: ROBERT JOHN JR IDNO: 462620728 SVC: A COMP: R RANK: CPT GRADE: O3 MOS: 0200 AGE: 27 HOME: MIDLAND ST: TX CASDATE: 19700420 CAS1: C1 CAS2: B CAS3: 6 BODY: --- CTRY: VS PROV: 25 LSVC: 04 BIRDATE: 19420528 RACE: C REL: EP MAR: M SEX: M CIT: 1 TOURD: 690718 PANL: 11W LINE: 029 REFNO: 5085 PDATE: 7004

[annabanana]

6. heartbreaking..........

And the evidence is clear..........he doesn't care any more about the boys in Iraq and Afganistan than he did about these boys who went in his place.