I promised myself I wouldn't go there, but you know what makes me mad about Joe the Plumber?

[Wetzelbill]

See I can handle him disagreeing with Obama and all, viable policy differences are viable policy differences. His difference of opinion isn't really a valid one, but I can let that slide. I know people who have gotten pissed about the Estate Tax, who in no way would ever have to pay it, so I have tried to stay cool about people being boneheads about policy.

I also don't care that he's got an agent and is trying to get a book and recording deal out of it. I can live with that, Obama Girl is trying to get famous off of her 15 minutes too. I think it's all phony, but hey, people do whatever they have to do when the opportunity arises.

Here's what pisses me off.

Obama was considerate to the guy. He answered his bullshit loaded question like a gentleman and in an impressive fashion. Obama didn't try to lie to him, he didn't ignore his question or get angry at getting challenged, he answered him and put forth a good case for his tax policy. He even answered the guy's flat tax question and explained that out to him.

So what does Joe the Plumber do? He goes out and hits the campaign trail with McCain. Not only that, he takes policy questions and allows people to look at him as an authority while he misrepresents Obama's positions or just says something stupid like the whole Israel thing. And even when Shephard Smith challenged him on it he went back into the "everyman role" and said that he was sick of politicians only saying words. Ok, well if he was sick of just talk and no backing it up, then he'd stay as far away from McCain or any Republican as possible.

See, he isn't who he really says he is, he's not really a plumber and he wasn't looking to buy a plumbing business. He's a guy who would benefit more from Barack Obama's policies than he would under John McCain's. And McCain has used him as a willing tool for his floundering and amateurish campaign.

So Obama was nice to the guy, answered his questions and his policies are better for him. Meanwhile, McCain uses him as a prop. Yet he still goes out on the campaign trail and hangs with McCain while misrepresenting Obama's positions.

It takes a truly low person to do that to somebody who treated them fairly and with respect.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Joe is caught up in his 15mins of fame...

... while I agree with you, we wont be talking about him a week from now. Don't get too aggravated over him, he's not worth it.

[Wetzelbill]

2. oh I'm not

but it's just the nerve of the guy. What a sleazy thing to do to somebody who treated him with respect.

[iceman66]

8. If he wasn't an asshole to begin with,

he probably wouldn't be a Republican.

[Clio the Leo]

12. Make no mistake, Plumber was LOOKING for a fight...

.... when he went over to Barack in the first place. I dont mean a LITERAL fight, but he had no desire to hear what Barack had to say. Hid body language made that clear.

It was a matter of him trying to prove himself a man by standing up against someone whom he no doubt already despised.

[Joe Chi Minh]

29. Fortunately, Obama won't be any the worse off. He will. Obama knows

that virtue i its own reward. But I take your point, just the same.

[mtnsnake]

3. K&R

Well said and you make a great point.

[The Magistrate]

4. Exactly, Sir: The Man Is A Mook And A Mope, And A Low Grade Of Either Sort To Boot

[mtnsnake]

6. Perfect description of him!

And I don't even know what a mook is, but it sounds fitting. :evilgrin:

[The Magistrate]

13. It Means, Sir, A Low-Life Of Particularly Un=Prepossessing Aspect

'Jamoke' was the original form, a 'hard-boiled' slang in the thirties and forties. It shortened and got a simpler pronunciation in time, as slang will. My first encounter with it in the modern form was in reference to attendees at concerts by surviving heavy metal bands in the nineties.

[mtnsnake]

30. Thanks for the definition. Joe is certainly a fitting example of a mook!

[ShortnFiery]

7. What's even more amazing to me is that IF this guy would have listened to Obama

he may not have had "as much fame" as if he had supported John McCain, but I do believe his life would have been much more enriched as others within the Democratic party would have reached out to him. No, I don't think we would have "pimped him out" like McCain/Palin, but I do believe that life is much more enjoyable when you work WITH and FOR a goal rather ... than AGAINST your own best interests in order to maintain an ideology.

p.s. sorry for the run on sentences. hope I'm not as bad as Palin. :blush:

[The Magistrate]

14. True, Ma'am, But He Is A Sort Incapable Of Listening

He wanted to beard his betters, to put an 'uppity Negro' back in his place, and probably did not actually hear a word Sen. Obama said, but only listened for pauses that would allow him room to open his yap and say what he meant to say in starting the encounter.

[immoderate]

25. Nailed it. The guy is a racist. Can't stand that a black man is smarter than he is.

Good read, your honor.

--IMM

[Patiod]

21. He's also a mug

and McCain shill is truly a mug's game...

[blackballed_2000]

5. to the tune of..

"take them skinheads bowling, take them bowling"

is stuck in my mind to this topic

[Armstead]

9. If McCain had any integrity, he'd have ditched that guy

Perhaps the "Joe the Plumber" strategy might actually be feasible if the focus had actually been a decent member of the working class.

But Joe has back taxes, believes that Social Security should be abolished and is filled with wrongheaded and ignorant opinions, such as Obama being an "enemy of Israel."

Once it became clear what kind of guy Joe is, McCain should have never uttered his name again.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

10. When McCain loses, he'll dump Joe like he did with his first wife.

Maybe then Joe will get it through his thick skull that voting Republican won't make you rich down the line.

[Wetzelbill]

11. times will get ugly fast

for Joe the Plumber. Life under the bus isn't a fun one. The good news for Joe is the GOP will probably throw McCain under it too.

[surrealAmerican]

15. I wonder if this guy will wake up in a few months, ...

... after the spotlight is off him, and realize that McCain was cynically using him.

[totodeinhere]

16. Look for a Palin/Joe the Plummer GOP ticket in 2012. LOL. n/t

[EFerrari]

17. Vendido. He's hurting working people while pretending to represent them

and he's doing it for personal gain.

[Chrisnreno]

18. I totally agree!

That's why I call this guy a scumbag. Obama couldn't have been more polite, or have given a more thorough answer to the guy, and he goes and does this BS. I can't stand this JTP character at all, personally.

[Dutch]

19. The man is a total fraud- but fortunately he's increasingly revealing himself as such.

He would have been much more useful to McCain if he hadn't joined him on the campaign trail. Now people can clearly see that he's just a partisan totem- rather than the pseudo-everyman Team Palin-McCain tried to pass him off as.

It takes a truly low person to do that to somebody who treated them fairly and with respect.

It certainly does.

[dave29]

20. Joe's a tool.

period

[Celebration]

22. non-factor

He hasn't even been around that long, and I sense even the wingnuts are sick of hearing about him. All it shows is how low the McCain campaign had to scrape to garner some attention.

[Froward69]

23. Joe does not know the first rule of

plumbing...


Shit flows down hill. He would most likely plumb a drain line UPHILL.

yes I DO indeed have a Plumbing license. I am more qualified than he is.

Joe is nothing but a journeyman...

[immoderate]

27. I think calling him a journeyman honors him unnecessarily.

Don't you have to have some credential to be a journeyman? I'm pretty sure that's true for electricians.

--IMM

[Froward69]

31. fair enough

he is a gopher at best.

gopher some pipe... dope
GOPher those really dumb voters
gopher my gloves.

[hvn_nbr_2]

24. Joe T.P. is really Jeff Gannon.

And yes, I chose "T.P." because I use that same expression when writing my grocery list.

[Blue_Roses]

26. this guy is a real jerk...

he's a liar and a wife beater. Oh, and a plant.
What a creep:mad:

[MelSC]

28. You are much nicer than me...

I just don't like him because I think he's an idiot.

[rasputin1952]

32. He's a RW shill...

what else did you expect?

Good thing those "Socialist" R's paid off his tax bill and paid for the Plumbing licensure...x(


BTW...JtP could afford a nice Ram truck, but couldn't pay the tax on his house...:wtf: