Conflicting bumper stickers on car. WTF????

[arbusto_baboso]

I'm in California, and on my way to work this morning, I saw an older model VW convertible with 2 bumper stickers on it.

The first said "Stop Prop H8". Well and good. The second was a McCain - Palin sticker.

Okayyyyyyyy.

So, the driver isn't homophobic, but is a bigoted, ignorant racist? How does one explain something like this?

Unfortunately, I never caught up with the car enough to get a look at the driver...

[Hepburn]

1. Conservative gay person?

Ummmmmm....if such a thing exists in the LA area! :shrug:

[Marrah_G]

12. Here is one for you:

My gay legally-married Republican mayor.

Attleboro, MA.

[Hepburn]

23. Whoa....!!!

So what bumper stickers does he have on his community property car?? :hi:

[Marrah_G]

28. Oh.......

He is also the FIRST legally married gay mayor in the United States.......yeah it's hard to wrap my brain around the fact that he is a Repuke. I've voted for him twice.

In my defense I will say Mass Reukes are generally a bit different then the rest of them. More fiscal conservatives and social liberals.

Hmmmm, now I have to go check out the bumper stickers!

[Hepburn]

34. Yeah, I can understand that....

...I have a best male friend and pal who is straight, but is a Reagan Repubbie on fiscal issues, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay liberal on social issues. LOL, last weekend, he had a YES on PROP 8 asshole at his door asking for a donation and my friend could not understand why he was the only one in his neighborhood that was contacted. When I explained to him that he was a registered Pubbie in a wealthy, liberal section of West LA ~~ very few of those ~~ he suddenly got the picture of why the YES asshole had come to his door!

LOL...!!

[grace0418]

37. Confused gay person?

Self-loathing? It's a mystery.

[kwolf68]

2. I dont know much about Cali's Prop8

But I do know that it is funny as hell that a car have those two stickers. Is it possible the driver doesn't understand what Prop8 is...or maybe they saw Faux News listing McCain as a Democrat?

[Phredicles]

3. Win some, lose some I guess.

:shrug:

[ThatsMyBarack]

4. Hubby & Wifey's shared car?

Polar opposites!

[rucky]

59. Or Hubby & Hubby

:shrug:

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Log-cabin fascist?

[trof]

6. I've seen signs for opposing candidates in same yard.

Local race, not presidential.

[Occam Bandage]

7. You know, it's possible to support McCain and *not* be a bigot, ignorant, or a racist.

You just have to be a conservative. And, you know, being a conservative does not require homophobia. Crazy, I know.

Also, I imagine "Homophobix" as a dumb jock Gaul in the Asterix comics.

[arbusto_baboso]

15. I fixed the typo. Also....

Yes, I know it's possible to support McCain and not be a racist or a bigot. I have yet to meet a McCain supporter who is *not* those things, though.

[Hepburn]

36. Same here.....

....IMO, one MUST be a homophobic bigot to support ANY ticket that has that POS Palin on it.

JMHO

[WhollyHeretic]

16. Maybe if you take ignorant out of that list. If someone supports McCain at this point

they are either ignorant of the racism and homophobia in the campaign or they are racist and homophobic themselves.

[Occam Bandage]

18. I disagree. You can believe one candidate would make a better President than another,

and at the same time disapprove of some of the tactics used by that candidate's campaign.

[WhollyHeretic]

20. No. If a person can so easily overlook the hatred and suppression of rights on many levels

then that person is a bigot.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Hey, crazy. That's exactly what

some of the further-out Hillary supporters said about Obama supporters during the primaries. History does, indeed, repeat itself.

[WhollyHeretic]

29. Give me a break. Nice attack since you can't defend your position.

Do you deny that McCain has been stirring up hatred of blacks, Muslims, and arabs?

Do you deny the tactics they use to suppress minority voters?

Do you deny the Republican party's homophobia?

How was my statement wrong? Please tell me.

[arbusto_baboso]

32. Don't expect any kind of coherent reply...

with "facts" or anything annoying like that. All you'll get is mock moral outrage and PC hand-wringing.

[Occam Bandage]

38. That is a defense, and a consistent one. People tend to believe that the flaws

of opposing candidates' campaigns are utter deal-breakers that no sane person would support, and that the flaws in the campaigns of the candidates they support are meaningless aberrations performed by bad apples. The reference to the primary was of the same sort; God knows I heard the exact same thing you're spouting by Hillary supporters who were outraged that I would support a candidate who had such brutal sexists and homophobes popping up left and right around him. I still supported Obama, though, because I was not voting for Donnie McClurkin; I was voting for Barack Obama. I could separate "people who support Obama" and "Obama" into two different groups.

McCain himself hasn't been stirring up hatred of anyone. The people responsible for that are campaign jockeys who will likely not have a job in the White House. It is not ignorant per se to rationalize, "Well, I certainly don't like what I'm hearing at Palin rallies, but I'm not electing those crowds or the crazy local folks who stir them up; I'm electing a President, and I think McCain will do a better job in the White House."

You and I might disagree with that person's reasons for believing McCain will do a better job in the White House, but political differences by no means require somebody to be ignorant.

[WhollyHeretic]

43. Civil rights are not "political differences" They are a question of fundamental human decency.

"McCain himself hasn't been stirring up hatred of anyone" That is absolutely false. You have your head in the sand(that's stating it nicely) if you believe that. He and his campaign have been fostering hatred without a doubt. They admit higher turnout is bad for them and their agents have scrubbed voter rolls. McCain and Palin use code that any moron can see through.

If a person does not believe suppression of minority rights and bigotry is a deal breaker then they are a bigot. There is no denying that.

[Occam Bandage]

44. Ah, but see what you just said there?

"He and his campaign." The campaign is not the man, nor is it the potential President. Campaigns are by their nature deals with the devil; people are often willing to forgive bits of political brutality done by surrogates here and there.

Now, onto that statement: "If a person not believe suppression of rights and bigotry is a deal breaker then they are a bigot. There is no denying that."

Well, but see, if charges of "suppression of rights" and "bigotry" were deal breakers, then I couldn't support Obama. Hillary supporters claimed that Obama's focus on caucuses was undemocratic and suppressed voter rights, since caucuses require a time investment that many working-class voters cannot afford to make. They claimed that Obama's sharing the stage with the notorious homophobic bigot Donnie McClurkin was offensive and a deal breaker.

I agree that Donnie McClurkin is an offensive bigot, and I agree that the Obama campaign used that bigotry for political purposes in the South Carolina primary. I do not agree, however, that it is a deal-breaker. Campaigns do stupid things, and Obama has, I believe, redeemed himself through his actions, and hopefully will continue to do so.

Tell me: if you believe that bigotry-by-proxy is a "deal breaker," why do you support Obama, in light of his campaign's cynical use of Donnie McClurkin?

[WhollyHeretic]

46. Way to focus one one little thing and try and divert the main point.

McCain has been stirring up hatred himself and he also runs his campaign. Voter suppression has been a republican tactic for many years and I have seen no repudiation of it from McCain. You really are denying that he has been stirring up hatred?

I don't give a crap what Hillary voters were alleging. I'm dealing with what is plain and obvious to anyone with half a brain. Not some convoluted political argument. Obama apologized for Donnie McClurkin. I see no apologies for the hatred and suppression that McCain and republicans use.

[Occam Bandage]

49. No, Obama did not apologize for Donnie McClurkin.

He issued a statement stating that he disagreed with McClurkin's homophobia, but that it's valuable to listen to all sides. "I don't agree with what the person I just had speak for me says" is exactly the sort of press-release non-apology that McCain trots out every time some dumbshit embarrasses America at a rally.

"I don't give a crap" seems to be your argument of the day. "This is obvious to anyone with half a brain" is the rallying cry of partisans of all flavors who have checked the other half of their brain at the door. You've got your perceptions of the Other Guy's supporters, you won't entertain any arguments that would shed some light on your shadowy boogeymen, so damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Also, I think I broke my own record for machinegunning bad metaphors.

[WhollyHeretic]

50. I see you still will not address my point that McCain is inciting hatred

and supports voter suppression. Nice try captain evasion.

[Occam Bandage]

52. I already did. That's what this entire chain of posts was about. I'm accustomed

to the sort of internet argument where both parties insist that the other is ignoring their brilliant points, but it would make it much easier for you to uphold your end of such a claim if you were to at least bother reading my posts.

[WhollyHeretic]

53. So you're saying that McCain is not inciting hatred? And that he is not

supporting voter suppression? Forget the ignorance of McCain supporters...

You do know that McCain hired some of the worst voter suppression culprits to work on his campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

54. Nope. Already addressed that. You're talking to yourself.

[Marrah_G]

56. Well said

I was called every nasty name in the book for my primary pick, just because other people couldn't understand how anyone could think differently then them and not be evil.

I'm sorry nasty things were said to you from the Hillary side. It was an awful few months.

[Occam Bandage]

57. Well, I certainly wasn't innocent of nastiness myself. That was a brutal primary all around.

Still, I think it's a very good sign how well we've all healed. We had a bitter civil war, and yet we united tighter than the Republicans managed to with their comparatively genteel, quick primary. We've got a healthy party right now.

[Marrah_G]

62. I agree.

There may still be some hurt feeling on both sides, but we've been able to pull together for a cause we know is vital to ourselves and our families. When the chips are down we are all on the same side.

[ecstatic]

35. Or it could be a selfish prick who makes over 250,000 a year

By the way, doesn't the republican party promote homophobia? :shrug:

[Occam Bandage]

40. It could indeed.

Supporting a political candidate does not require you to support absolutely everything in their platform. I disagree with more than a few things in the Democratic platform, but I'm not going to take the Naderite route of saying "I will not vote for anyone who says anything I disagree with." Neither will many right-wingers. Most people vote for the better or the less bad of two candidates; it's comparatively rare that a given voter will agree with a given candidate 100% of the time.

[Arkansas Granny]

47. Yes, it is possible. I know many people who are Republicans and they

are voting McCain/Palin because they agree with his stance on the war, the economy, taxes, etc. They are not racist nor are they homophobes. They just don't put as much emphasis on the social issues as they do others.

[apnu]

8. Could be a GOP prank there.

Have a guy in my office who took a swamp of McCain-Palin stickers and is applying them over Obama-Biden stickers where he finds them. The other Rethuglians in my office think its the most clever thing they've ever heard of.

I told him he's vile, and if I see his car, I'm putting a MoveOn.Org sticker on it.

[musicblind]

14. If you find his car I hope you DO put a moveon.org sticker on it

him doing something like that is total bullshit and destruction of property. He would deserve it.

[AspenRose]

9. Divided househhold

[musicblind]

10. Not everyone voting for McCain is racist or even close to it. Geesh.

Some people just are not informed. I have realized this while doing all I can to promote Obama. Some people just don't even have a clue. OR they don't believe me when I tell them. They're like... "Well IF that were true then yes I would vote for Obama but it's not true."

However, people who vote without all the information piss me off ALMOST as much as racism but not quite.

[Marrah_G]

11. It is easily explained when you stop assuming every McCain supporter is a racist bigot.

[arbusto_baboso]

17. Have you met any who are not?

I haven't. I know some FORMER McCain supporters who are not racists or bigots. That's why they are FORMER McCain supporters; they're put off by the tone of his campaign. So, don't lecture me.

[Occam Bandage]

19. I have. nt

[arbusto_baboso]

22. So, what's your point?

Okay, so maybe they're not bigots or racists, but to support McCain still makes them woefully uninformed and/or ignorant, and not worthy of our respect.

If you have any info that suggests otherwise, I'd like you to present it to me.

[Marrah_G]

27. Wow..........................

[EstimatedProphet]

41. God knows all the diviseness and lumping people together as "bad people" comes from their side

Seriously.

[Marrah_G]

25. Yes- I absolutely have and more then one.

I am not lecturing you.

You wanted an explanation and I gave you one.

Since you did not want an answer or any sort of discussion I'll leave you alone to rant.

[arbusto_baboso]

30. Are you feeling lightheaded?

I figured you must, since you are wayyyyyyyy up there on your high horse.

[DangerousRhythm]

13. Heh. Not quite the same, but I was checking out bulletins on Myspace...

A fairly young adult member of my extended family had taken some of the usual quizzes and posted her answers. So, from what I gathered she's VERY pro-same sex marriage, pro-stem cells, pro-choice, possibly pro-pot but she's anti-illegals and pro-death penalty. She supports a deadline for withdrawal in Iraq but is pro-war, thinks Bush is sexy (:() and thinks we should pull out of Iraq when the "generals in command" say it's best. I briefly tried to reconcile all of this, but I stopped trying when I saw her answer to "Does religion play a role in who you vote for?" She's wild about Palin and her answer was "YES IT DOES 100%".

:puke:

I give up. :rofl:

[LynneSin]

21. I remember seeing a Kerry-Edwards sticker on the back of a Hummer

I had to take a deep breath there to keep my head from exploding

[KingFlorez]

24. That's no really all that odd

People don't always agree with everything their candidates support. I've heard there is a percentage of Obama voters that support Prop. 8.

[zanne]

31. Don't knock it.

Even a small victory is better than none at all.

[seabeyond]

33. there use to be many many, but now there are conservatives that are social liberals

they dont have interest in woman reproductive, or what gays do in bedroom, .... they want govt run like corp, save money and effecient

i say there use to be many, now there are just... cause many of these conservatives see just how fucked up repug and corp is and not gonna do the job

[bullwinkle428]

39. Saw "Obama '08" and "Enough" bumper stickers on a car with a Christian fish

with the small cross inside. I think it was the first time that I'd ever seen a fish on a vehicle that displayed stickers for a Democratic candidate of any kind! Makes me feel like a genuine change is coming in this country...

Edit to add that the car was being driven by an older white woman (in case anyone had a demographic question)...

[DangerDave921]

42. McCain does not equal bigoted racist

Come on. My mom is a committed republican. My sister too. Neither is a bigoted racist. There can be differences of political views without sinking to personal attacks.

[slampoet]

45. This car has two owners.

[stray cat]

48. Clearly not a single issue voter

[Vektor]

51. I saw the opposite in the Bay Area. Yes on 8 + Obama/Biden

Totally odd.

[goletian]

55. delusional, liberal repub. they exist.

[RoadRage]

58. Stop painting with a Broad Brush...

Not all McCain/Palin supporters are racist biggots. I have several friends that are voting for them. I don't agree with their decisions, but those friends are most certainly NOT racist or biggoted. In fact one is an actress - and many of her friends are gay, AA, less wealthy.

She votes Republican because she's very much for less government and low taxes. I've argued those points with her.. to no avail.

I don't agree with her stance on issues, but I would never call her a racist bigot.

And if she lived in CA - this is EXACTLY what the back of her car would look like.. she's fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. She'd vote for McCain, and against Prop 8.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. If Your Mind Wasn't So Closed, The Answer Would Be Obvious.

Nothing dumber than a claim that anyone who supports McCain is a bigoted and ignorant racist.

Nothing conflicting about those bumper stickers at all.

[julialnyc]

61. I live in CT and see many lawns that have both Obama/Biden and Christopher Shays lawn signs

I'm just happy they are voting for Obama