McCain's hold on the Confederacy tells the whole sordid story

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

We are so high-handed about areas like Iraq and the Balkans where people have been warring against themselves for centuries.

But it's not like our Civil War ever ended!

A top indicator of whether McCain will win a given state is, "Was this state in the Confederacy?"

It will be nice to win Virginia to break up the Confederate block some, but even winning Virginia is fraught with irony.

Obama will win VA on the strength of Northern Virginia, which was not really part of the Confederacy in any practical sense. The blue northern DC suburb counties where Obama will gain the winning margin in VA are pretty much exactly the territory that was held by the Union throughout the war; where the Army of the Potomac operated keeping the Confederates out of DC.

So even in winning the capital of the Confederacy the election map of VA will show ancient battle-lines drawn in red and blue.

[Lex]

1. IDAHO, WYOMING, UTAH

:shrug:

[kick-ass-bob]

2. Thanks for nothing.

And shut the hell up.

Love,
NC

[ncgrits]

10. What Bob said. eom

[speedoo]

3. Yeah, but what about Richmond, and Atlanta, and

North Carolina and Florida?

[Lex]

4. NEBRASKA, KANSAS, OKLAHOMA

:shrug:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. I know you thik you have a point, but you don't.

[Lex]

7. LOL.

Maybe you think I don't. I could totally believe that.

[kick-ass-bob]

9. And nor do you.

what about the 40% of New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc etc etc that will vote for McCain?

And you compare that to the maybe 50-55% that will vote for him in the deep south (Alabama, Miss, etc)?

What-the-fuck-ever.

[ingac70]

13. Kentucky was part of the Union as well. n/t

[CTD]

5. What about NC and GA - both are likely to go blue this year?

Kind of blows this theory.

[Lex]

8. Yeah, the OP is a real genius.

:rofl:

[Cosmic Charlie]

15. so you do not believe that racism exists in higher ratios in former Confederate States?

not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya?

[Lex]

16. Um, show me where I said that?

Nice strawman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Cosmic Charlie]

17. that is the OP's point. Confederate States back McCain.

You were trying to somehow discredit this hypothesis with your obscure posts.
But you did not achieve your goal.

And when it comes to Strawmen, what do you think naming off states that weren't even states during the Civil War is?
Your saying, "Hey look, these states like McCain and they weren't Confederate!"
But your argument is total straw because those states didn't exist in the 1860s.

[Lex]

18. The subject line "McCain's hold on the Confederacy tells the whole sordid story"

NO it doesn't. The "whole sordid story?" It just . . . doesn't. That was my point naming the other very red states not involved in the Civil War, not in the Confederacy.

The OP also said, "A top indicator of whether McCain will win a given state is,'"Was this state in the Confederacy?'" How's that work with the very red states I named? It doesn't.

[nini]

11. "But it's not like our Civil War ever ended!"

I see you are doing your part to keep it going too.



:eyes:

[ingac70]

12. My home state screws up your theory...

Tennessee was divided during the Civil War. The West and Middle parts of the state were with the Confederacy, and the Eastern part was with the Union.

Right now Obama is polling almost even with McCain in Middle and West Tennessee, but McCain is blowing him away in the Eastern part. That is why McCain will win the state.

The Eastern part of TN is where those Unitarians got shot by that right wing radio listener. Folks in East Tennessee love them some of the Confederate battle flag, too, when that part of the state wasn't even part of it.

[grantcart]

14. There were also union counties in other states including Mississippi

North Carolina was reluctant and even Gen Lee was against both slavery and succession.


Just shows how a few asses can escalate through fear.