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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:57 AM
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OUR Congressional representatives who have not endorsed Obama
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 01:00 AM by DainBramaged
No endorsement:

Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.)
Rep. Travis Childers (D-Miss.)
Rep. Bud Cramer (D-Ala.)
Rep. Lincoln Davis (D-Tenn.)
Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.)
Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.)

No Comment


Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.) *(NOW On board)
Rep. Tim Holden (D-Pa.)
Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.)
Rep. Ciro Rodriguez (D-Texas)


Haven't endorsed, but support the nominee:

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.)
Rep. Dan Boren (D-Okla.)
Rep. Chris Carney (D-Pa.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas)
Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.)
Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.)
Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.)

WOW :wow:


http://thehill.com/endorsements-2008.html
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:59 AM
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1. Ellsworth lead a rally for Obama in Indiana
So he's on board now.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:01 AM
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2. Fixed!!!
:hi:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:02 AM
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3. I don't know why that word "endorse" is so important to media elites
And what is the difference between "endorse" and "support"? What a bunch of semantic bullshit.

Altmire showed up at some campaign event with Obama a few months ago, btw.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:03 AM
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4. Ohhhhh there's no difference between north and south
how dare you even suggest that by posting details!

/sarcasm
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:03 AM
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5. They're running the campaign they have to run
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 01:05 AM by dmesg
Having lived there I have some sympathy for Childers and Taylor; I'd rather keep MS's House delegation half-blue than have those two fall on their swords.

Let me add: I don't know Childers, but Taylor is a pretty decent guy, for a blue dog. If he hasn't endorsed it's really just a tactical move for his own re-election.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:07 AM
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8. We keep doing that, that's why nothing changes
I know I know, its easy for me to tell another guy he ought to jeopardize his career. But if we can somehow get past this "running the campaign they have to run" stuff, we can actually make some progress. Otherwise, we are running in circles.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:10 AM
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9. Shit. Try being a Democrat in Texas
There are lots of areas that are so conservative that Dems are still running as stealth candidates without party affiliations. That is where we have Dems at all. Try telling the poor SOB who's putting a substantial chunk of their life and their dough into their race that they need to stand up and be a flaming liberal Dem in some of those seats. They'd get laughed out of the park.

Not that I'm putting Ciro and Cuellar in that boat, mind you. They have fairly safe seats. They're just DINOs.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:10 AM
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17. That's a tough situation.
There has to be an answer. I dunno what it is. Yet. :)
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:19 AM
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11. I see your point, but take Taylor as an example...
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 01:20 AM by dmesg
I think Obama's going to do a lot better in the South than a lot of people on here are willing to predict. I think Mississippi was a remote possibility at best, and the campaign more or less conceded it anyways. It could have been done, but there were more vote-rich, lower-hanging fruit out there. But here's the thing: in the 20th century there was only 1 Congress where Mississippi's House delegation had more Republicans than Democrats (1996-1998). Taylor's endorsement wouldn't have done a thing for Obama in the state, but it would have moved his challenger that much closer to gaining a seat for the GOP.

We may get irritated at blue dogs. We wish they would lead their constituents into a more progressive mindset. But the fact is, guys like Gene Taylor have kept a foothold for our party in the South for a generation now. Yes, they do it by keeping their heads down and voting on a lot of issues like Republicans. But with very few exceptions (which I tend not to care about) they do follow party discipline if the whip puts it on the line that it's a loyalty vote.

I haven't kept up with MS districting since it lost its 5th district after 2002. There used to be, to be blunt, 1 black district and 4 white districts, and it looks like the black district got parcelled out to the other 4 (surprise, surprise); that cost our party 1 seat, and broke MS's House delegation's majority Democratic status (yes, in 2002 MS had 3 Democrats and 2 Republicans in the House; currently it's back to 3 Democrats out of the 4, a higher percentage than a lot of "progressive" states).

I agree with you that we need to get out of the "running in place" mindset: but I think in *some* districts, notably the kinds of districts these guys represent, running in place is better than the alternative.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:18 AM
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18. Alas, my idealism meets reality
Maybe 4 yrs from now, things will be different.

If Obama is smart, he will make that a priority.
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ROh70 Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:04 AM
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6. Looks mostly like Blue Dog democrats
With one exception, all of them are in the south or in Pennsylvania.

One Californian - Loretta Sanchez. Wonder if she's a dead-ender.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:24 AM
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12. She's from Orange County
And a particularly conservative district also. She beat out the long time incumbent about 8 years ago and has been running well. But she still has to place to the middle or to the right to get re elected. Not endorsing Obama probably has something to dow tih that
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:33 AM
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13. Oh yes, Loretta Sanchez. I remember her and the stupid demands she made of Obama.
She worries about women and how they are portrayed by the media yet she never fails to rush to the Playboy Mansion to get a campaign contribution from Hef. A walking contradiction, that one.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:37 AM
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14.  Her Immigration-Reduction Report Card
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 01:39 AM by DainBramaged
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=CA&VIPID=126

Career F

Sanchez Accuses Democrat of Calling Her a 'Whore,' Resigns from Hispanic Group

Rep. Loretta Sanchez has quit the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, accusing the chairman, Rep. Joe Baca, of telling people she's a "whore."

Baca denied the charge.

In an interview with The Politico Wednesday, Sanchez, a California Democrat as is Baca, also cited concerns about whether Baca was properly elected Hispanic Caucus chairman in November and about his general attitude toward female lawmakers. The caucus represents 21 Hispanic Democrats in Congress.

"I'm not going to be a part of the CHC as long as Mr. Baca illegally holds the chair … I told them no. There's a big rift here," Sanchez said. "You treat the women like shit. I have no use for him."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2572.html



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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:05 AM
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7. I would love to see Loretta Sanchez lose her seat
I don't live in her district or even her state, but she is an embarrassment to the party in my opinion. She was a Hillary supporter who didn't move to support Obama after Hillary conceded and still talked garbage about him. I've seen her asking questions during Congressional hearings and she comes across as completely incompetent and uninformed on the issue at hand. She's an idiot, we shouldn't tolerate people like her even if it means having another Democrat in the House. I'd rather have a thoughtful and intelligent Republican (which is rare) representing me than someone like Sanchez.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:15 AM
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10. Dan Boren was a huge asshole about his non-endorsement too
It was especially a dick move given that he has no serious GOP opposition and therefore his re-election is safe. But now that Obama is almost a sure bet I'm sure he's regretting that decision. Don't think he will be particularly high on President Obama's Christmas Card list.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 07:44 AM
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15. Once an oscillating dildo, always an oscillating dildo.
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 07:44 AM by DainBramaged
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 07:46 AM
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16. Have you compared them to the known bush Democrats?
I bet you'll find some overlap.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:21 AM
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19. I'm not sure Obama wants Mahoney's endorsement at this point
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:26 AM
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20. The List is Incorrect
Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) has endorsed Obama and voted for him as a superdelegate at the convention.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:33 AM
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22. II didn't create it only posted it and as per the Hill it is correct, so.........
The Hill
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Washington, DC 20006
202-628-8500 tel | 202-628-8503 fax
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:05 PM
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23. I know. Just sayin.
Don't want people to read this list here and think it's 100% correct. The one representative that I'm familiar with locally listed there is incorrect, which to me draws the whole list into question.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:30 AM
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21. Didn't Sanchez want personal apology from Obama before she could support him?
I know she was a Clinton supporter. She felt she deserved one before she could trust him.
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