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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:25 AM
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Florida Secretary of State Browning says long lines "a sign of healthy democracy"
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 12:19 PM by madfloridian
When the person in charge of Florida elections believes that...and the Florida Republican legislature passed laws in 2005 to agree with him...then there should be no surprise at long lines.

Here are several articles about why there are the problems. There are things that could have been changed to make things easier. Some of the hours and some of the reasons for limiting the places are certainly seeming unreasonable.

This article has one of the more weird reasons. A polling place that does not open on weekdays until 11:00 am? Gee, oh my, what about the working people?

From the Miami Herald:

Long lines continue for South Florida early voting

In Miami-Dade, Eugene Milton planned on showing up early to vote Monday morning.

He just didn't intend on getting in line this early. Milton was one of roughly 50 people waiting for the polls to open at North Dade Regional Library at 7 a.m. Unbeknown to them: Voting doesn't begin in Miami-Dade until 11 a.m. this week.

''I assumed today, it would be the same time as last week,'' said Milton of Miami Gardens. ``They should have kept the hours the same.''

On the county's website, the schedule is clear: This week, the polls are open from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m., Monday through Friday, then only for four hours Saturday and Sunday. That came as little consolation to those lined up in Miami Gardens. Of the 20 polling places in Miami-Dade, the North Dade Regional Library has been among the busiest. On Friday, 350 people were in line before dawn.

So when just a few dozen gathered in front of the locked building at 7 a.m. Monday, those in line knew something was amiss. If nothing else, said Linda Bestman of North Miami Beach, there should have been a sign in the window, letting the early risers know to come back later.


On the county website? What if they were not looking at election websites on a computer? Why change the hours from one week to the next?

Why limit hours so that people who must go to work are affected?


More on what GOP lawmakers did in setting the rules for early voting. It happened along party lines in 2005.

From McClatchy Newspapers via Common Dreams site:

Florida's GOP Lawmakers Blamed For Early-Voting Lines

Those revamped rules trimmed early voting from 12 hours per workday to eight.

During the first presidential election since Gov. Jeb Bush signed the bill in 2005, the new law's impact can be seen throughout South Florida: exhausting lines at polling sites in Miami-Dade and Broward that led voters to miss work, senior citizens to beg for chairs and voting advocates to question whether some are being disenfranchised.

..."From Miami City Hall to the Southwest Regional Library in Pembroke Pines, voters on Monday and Tuesday -- the first two days of early voting -- sweated out waits of two to five hours. Broward reported record turnout for early voting, which ends Nov. 2. Now, the debate over those achingly long lines has turned political. Some Democratic leaders contend the bill intentionally slowed down a process that has historically benefited the party.

"They were using their power, their majority, to make it harder for people to vote, to gain a political advantage," said House Minority Leader Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. "It was horrible.''

Republicans dispute any political motives, saying the new rules set much-needed uniform standards while saving government money by trimming polling times. The 82-36 House vote was largely along party lines, with Democrat motions to expand the hours all falling flat. House Bill 1567 took effect during the 2006 election cycle. Before its passage, early voting centers could remain open for up to 12 hours on weekdays, and for a total of eight hours over the weekend.


Today, early voting sites are limited to eight hours on weekdays and a total of eight aggregate hours on weekends. Local governments are now limited to using libraries, city halls and election headquarters as polling sites.


Seems like it is South Florida that suffers the most. At least that is where all the stories are coming from about the long lines.

May I quote our Republican Secretary of State who with one side of his mouth expresses concern, and with the other side spouts partisan stuff. This quote should go down in history.

"Lines are a sign of a healthy democracy, and certainly our democracy is healthy today," said Secretary of State Kurt Browning.
MSNBC


Here is more from the Orlando Sentinel on
why early voting has meant long lines.

Back in 2005, the Republican-led Florida Legislature pushed through a change limiting early-voting hours and locations, overriding protests from a few Democrats that the change would worsen wait times and potentially turn off voters.

Republicans said they were trying to treat all counties equally. Democrats said they were playing politics, given that Democrats have turned out in greater numbers for early voting.

Since then, the Legislature has resisted yearly requests by elections supervisors to expand early-voting hours and locations, despite growing public interest in avoiding the Election Day rush.

"There's no question they were trying to make early voting harder because it benefits Democrats," said House Minority Leader Dan Gelber, D- Miami Beach, who is running for the state Senate.

"I thought it was a naked power grab where they were running over people's right to vote."


Doggone those elections supervisors, always wanting to expand hours and increase the number of locations. :sarcasm:

The elections supervisors tried to change the system put in place in 2005 by Jeb's crew. Kurt Browning and Charlie Crist could step in and change things. But they are not planning to do so.

Last night I was criticized for posting concerns about this issue. Well, actually called an ugly name. In that thread even people I respect were defending Crist and Browning and saying there really is not a problem.

If the legislature limited locations and hours....looks like they could have gone a step further and said polling locations should allow for working people, not open at 11 in the morning and close at 7 at night as is happening in a very large county in South Florida.

I believe that in our country there is no excuse for long lines for anyone. It could be fixed if the powers that be so desired. Our Democrats here could have made a huge difference in 2005 if they had spoken out against what the Republicans were doing to early voting. But they did not speak out much back then.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:28 AM
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1. Browning's bullhockey quote: lines are "a sign of a healthy democracy."
What an arrogant SOB.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:31 AM
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2. I don't get it. If NYC can vote without lines that are hours long
then why can't everyone else?

I live in the burbs in NJ and can't remember ever waiting more than 10 minutes in line to vote. Sure, if you go at the very end of the day the lines will be longer but certainly not "hours".

What are they doing in these states that they cannot accommodate crowds of voters. I can understand it in red states like Fla where they want to keep down the urban vote totals, but I hear this story about many areas of the country, even those that are Democratic.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:35 AM
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3. Cost too much money to open at 7 am. Must wait till 11 am this week.
The stupidity of that in a large population area boggles my mind.

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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:33 PM
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20. Same shit the freeps did in 2000, steal the elections for
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 07:43 PM by HillbillyBob
their chosen one. Change the rules , you abide by them, they change them again.
The only way it is going to change is we put enough pressure and get every damned incumbent out and elect all new educated folks that understand what the hell WE THE PEOPLE means.
I have voted in 4 southern states, it is alway something sneaky, ever damned election. I have been voting since 1980. I lived in Broward county where our ballots were never counted in 2000, they were just shredded.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:59 AM
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4. We must have a "healthy democracy."
:shrug:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:29 PM
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5. Up is down to these people. (nt)
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:32 PM
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32. And stupid is their *normal*
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 06:32 PM by peace frog
Same as it ever was.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:31 PM
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6. you've done a GREAT job of informing us about Florida
and all of the ups and downs there from a political sense. Thanks for all of the work. It is fascinating stuff in that banana republic my parents call home.
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iscooterliberally Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:34 PM
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7. I just voted on Saturday
I got in line at about 10:45 am. I finished voting and walked out of the building at 3:30pm. 4 years ago I did the same thing at the same library, but they let the line wind through the inside of the library. This time we had to wait outside. I was unpreppared for this and got a nice sunburn. I voted the straight Democratic ticket. If you vote early in South Florida, bring a folding chair, and umbrella, and pack a lunch. It's going to take all day.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:23 PM
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26. Welcome to DU!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:36 PM
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8. He'll be one of those prosecuted under RICO next year
Maybe some prison time will awaken these anti-american criminals.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:36 PM
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9. That's just vile. (Child labor is a sign there are plenty of jobs!)
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 01:37 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:00 PM
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10. That's what they used to say in the Soviet Union
Since everyone was equal, everyone had the privilege of waiting in line for hours, regardless of the occasion. Nice to know that Florida's Secretary of State has a similar frame of mind.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:37 PM
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11. Actually it's a sign of staggering incompetence and inefficiency. A sign of a healthy
democracy would be the removal of Florida Secretary of State Browning.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:25 PM
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27. You are too generous.
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 06:25 PM by Laelth
This isn't incompetence. It's working perfectly according to plan. It's Republicans disenfranchising Democrats. It's intentional, and it's evil.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--corrected sloppy punctuation.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 03:39 PM
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12. Florida's GOP Lawmakers should be blamed
Now Florida should hold them accountable and throw the bums out!

Hang in there Florida. You need change and the only way things are going to change is for you to stick it out and vote.

Sonia
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 03:57 PM
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13. Broward is posting the daily wait times.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/broward/blog/2008/10/2_pm_wait_times_for_early_voti.html

* African-American Research Library
2650 Sistrunk Boulevard, Fort Lauderdale
1.5 hours

* Davie/Cooper City Branch Library
4600 SW 82 Avenue, Davie
2 hours

* Fort Lauderdale Branch Library/Art Serve
1350 E. Sunrise Boulevard, Room 130, Fort Lauderdale
2.5 hours



* Hallandale Beach City Hall
400 S. Federal Highway, Hallandale Beach
1.75 hours

* Hollywood Branch Library
2600 Hollywood Blvd., Hollywood
2.25 hours

* Main Library
100 S. Andrews Ave., Fort Lauderdale
2 hours

* Miramar City Hall
2300 Civic Center Place, Miramar
2.5 hours

* North Regional Library
1100 Coconut Creek Blvd., Coconut Creek
1 hour

* North Regional Satelite Courthouse
1600 W. Hillsboro Blvd, Room 170, Deerfield Beach
2 hours

* Northwest Regional Library
3151 University Drive, Coral Springs
1 hour

* Parkland Library
6600 N. University Drive, Parkland
30 minutes

* Pompano Beach Library
1213 E. Atlantic Blvd., Pompano Beach
1.5 hours

* Southwest Regional Library
16835 Sheridan Street, Pembroke Pines
1.5 hours

* Supervisor of Elections at Lauderhill Mall
1501 N.W. 40 Ave., Lauderhill
2.75 hours

* Tamarac Branch Library
8701 W. Commercial Blvd., Tamarac
4 hours

* West Regional Library
8601 W. Broward Blvd., Plantation
2 hours

* Weston Branch Library
4205 Bonaventure Blvd., Weston
2 hours


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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:54 PM
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14. i heard about these long lines to early vote in florida.
imagine what election day will look like. i early voted in nj. they didn't really advertise it. this is the first time it has been offered. early voting began on 10/6/08. i got the mailer with the information on 10/7/08. mad, i guess this means turnout is good. that is a good sign for obama. thanks for keeping us updated.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:05 PM
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15. I'm really glad you posted this, madflo, but I'm getting a headache from reading all the
inane bullshit that is going down with the election. Machines flipping votes, two machines per precinct no matter how many voters there are, bankers' hours for early voting places. And to boot, in my state of North Carolina we have the dimwits who do not read their ballot and vote the straight party ticket, thereby NOT VOTING FOR PRESIDENT. That really sucks because it is clearly stated on the ballot that you must vote for President separately. I don't know why they did it that way, but it's going to cost quite a few votes--probably some for Obama and McCain.

And we're just seeing the beginning of this.

Excedrin-city.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:13 PM
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16. Damn right long voting lines are a problem
Like so much else in our society, they very disproportionately affect the poor, thereby swinging our elections to the right. And poor people can much less afford to miss work than other people.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:28 AM
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21. Exactly...the poor can't miss work to vote. Exactly.
Opening at 11 in the morning and closing at 7 that night.

Exactly because poor people can't get off work to vote.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:34 AM
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24. poor people cant afford to miss out on voting...
nothing is more important than voting.

that must be the message right now.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:32 AM
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23. people staying home IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM...
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 10:34 AM by Essene
criticism about some of the polling stations not being ready is perfectly legitimate.

but let's be clear... the risk here is allowing folks to feel paralyzed.

we're so used to whining, crying, being victimized... that we're going to shoot ourselves in the damn foot on this issue.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:31 PM
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17. There were long lines over the weekend over here in Central Florida
I live in the 'burbs and most people are here over the weekend. My hubby decided not to vote because he couldn't wait an hour or more to stand in line. Will have to try again during the week. I got lucky going to the main branch around 10:30 last week towards the end of the week. Just had to wait about 20 minutes.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:50 PM
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18. A Secretary of State that removed from reality is a sign of a dying democracy. n/t
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:55 PM
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19. And the vote-flipping electronic machines?
What are those a sign of, Mr. Browning?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:32 AM
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22. Dems need to relax... and focus on a POSITIVE GOTV message
We cannot let frustrations with long early voting lines turn into a shrill cry of victimization.

The only response should be "long lines are ok, we're going to vote."

I'm honestly very nervous of all the cries about how this is voter suppression and other nonsense. Folks are going to scare people away from voting with that crap.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:26 PM
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28. Voter suppression is not nonsense, as you say.
It's very real, and it's very wrong.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:36 AM
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25. Long lines are a sign of a shitty SOS/State Legislature.
Imho.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:28 PM
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30. Yeah SOS of Florida is POS
Browning is a repuke POS. A terrible SOS.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:28 PM
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29. Or a sign of poor planning and management.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:30 PM
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31. Thank you, again, madfloridian, for the truth.
You are a tireless champion.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:34 PM
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33. And Once Again... Sarasota County Has Found Some Early Problems From
none other than KATHY DENT! I'm flip-flopping between absentee or machine! Still don't trust her running elections no matter what!!!

It has NEVER made sense to start early voting at such a late hour!!
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votetastic Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:38 PM
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34. I early voted in Cincinnati at 8 AM Saturday
There were over 40 people in front of me in line.. but the line moved amazingly fast. Within 5 minutes, I was voting!
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:39 PM
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35. Didn't Crist just order all the early voting places in the state open for 12 hours every day until
the election?

Wouldn't that mean say, 8:00am to 8:00pm or whatever?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:48 PM
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36. Yes, 7 to 7 he said.
It was a good move.
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