Do you "personally know" anybody who is "undecided or changes" daily?

[cthrumatrix]

These polls are pure corruption. How they are positioned and used by the media to help "the idiot" should be illegal.


Do you really think in this "polarized environment" that people still don't know or change every week like the media suggests they do?

[michigandem2]

1. my husband says he is...

but I really think he finds it hard to believe * is as corrupt as he is...he is sick of me being "obsessed" with this and wanting to research things...I tell all the * supporters I know if you watch the news..you aren't getting the news..I said research and you will easily find what is really going on out there...there are people that are too lazy to KNOW and want to be told who to vote for and why...like "imus" changing his tune because he thinks Kerry will lose...there are several people out there like that...but I don't know how it can be that way...it seems crsytal clear to me...

[cthrumatrix]

2. the IMUS thing is a class A "act" for the GE corporation who pays his

salary...be for Kerry ...then change..badmouth him the whole way...but say you support him...have GOP guests on everyday outnumberoing dems 4:1....it's soo transparent and BS.

[Wwagsthedog]

3. Yes, I personally know an undecided.

And tomorrow is my day to work on him. Despite his claim to have voted for pubbies in the past, he is a VN vet who is non-violent and a fiscal conservative. Sure hope we can have lunch and discuss election alternatives in a civil manner.

[Sparkle]

4. People who do that are idiots.

If they can't see that * is dangerous, then they are mindless idiots.

[Blue_Roses]

14. I don't get it either

what could one possibly not know about Bush to make one undecided:yes:

:shrug:

[barb162]

5. yes, an in law

who doesn't like Bush or Kerry. she wants to vote for, are you sitting down, POWELL. I think anyone who is undecided just hasn't paid attention to the news or just can't stand either candidate. There are a fair amount of people who don't watch or read the news. I also know some people who are so turned off by politics in general, they won't vote at all. One of them is a doctorate in physics.

[lapislzi]

6. Point taken, cthru, but...

I have co-worker (former Marine) who's gone from not-voting to Kerry and back to not-voting. It takes all of my energy to continually feed him trustworthy links to refute the garbage on TV--and he doesn't even watch Fox. I wouldn't be heartbroken if he didn't vote (he says he'd never vote for bush), but it's become a kind of personal goal to persuade him to do what he ought to know is in his own interest.

[cthrumatrix]

8. do they want "attention" ..do they want to be sold? The data is there

and after that it's up to their values.

I juts think the issue is very strange

[lapislzi]

10. Can't sell him. He is very stubborn.

Believes what he wants to believe, and is very selective about it. I tried arguing the "stop loss" issue with him and he simply refuses to discuss it. Says it's right there in the reserve contract. He's totally against the Iraq war, but don't criticize the military in any way, shape or form.

Same with jobs. He says you can manipulate the data any way you want. He doesn't believe anything anybody says. Actually, my ex-husband is the same way. He refuses to vote because he says nobody tells the truth.

Since I'm in NY, it's no big loss if he doesn't vote...but I'm sure he's not one of a kind.

Now...if you wanna talk about the freeper in my office...we can at least have some laughs.

[michigandem2]

11. my husband tries to be devil's advocate..

he doesnt' really think I know what I am talking about...but he is onto it..he will watch some news and come over to me and say "is abc a bush basher" I said "do you understand how rediculous this is...we aren't SUPPOSED to have to think like that about our media--this is a HUGE problem..."
I think he will vote for Kerry but likes to make me crazy so he acts like he doesn't know...I told him what Jason Alexander said on bill maher last friday "who are these fucking people?" (speaking about the undecideds) I think undecideds are really so misinformed...I am telling them all bush supporters and undecideds...to read and research if they have questions..do not take the media at face value...they are hiding the truth from us...

[lapislzi]

12. These folks are L-A-Z-Y

They expect me to do their research for them because they can't be bothered. (Except for my jarhead co-worker, who actually does read, but doesn't believe anything he reads). Then I give them the facts and they tell me I'm biased. Then they go right back to the idiot box and whine that they can't trust the media.

If my ex-husband votes for Nader I may have to call a meeting with him and Mr. 2x4.

[cthrumatrix]

13. some issues are "in your face wrong" ... like raising min. wage

How bush can get away with being against it is incoceivable when the rate has not been changed since 1995.

He messes with overtime calculation and get's away with it.


His moves are all about the "corporations" not individuals.

Did you know that companies were "booking fictious profits in 2003" when the medicare reform bill was passed. Their costs in the future would be reduced and GAP allowed them to book profits 2-3 yrs in advance...for many companies it was several million dollars. What benefit was passed to the citizen? Zero

[faithnotgreed]

15. about the media and what information we are given. my mom is a bush

supporter. she is not political and she isnt dumb but she said she saw an interview with him and she believes he is a Christian because of that (dont get me started!)
but the main problem is that she deliberately doesnt pay too much attention - i think its all too overwhelming to her - so since bush does all these crazy very anti-Christian things she either doesnt know about it or doesnt want to put 2 & 2 together. she comes from the ww2 generation and she just cant abide that the govt (esp with someone who says hes a Christian) would lie and do harm. thats too much for her to absorb because it would be immensely painful and she doesnt let emotions in or out very well.

so i try to come in through the back door.
a few weeks ago she was here visiting me and saw this article about the many thousands of chemicals in our "health" products like deodorant, shampoo, toothpaste etc
and how 60% of breast cancer tumors are located specifically underarm where deodorants are placed...
this got her thinking (we always talk about organics and supplements etc as we both have some health issues)

so one day she asks me: why dont we hear about things like this? why arent we told? i was shocked. i thanked her for saying that and pointed out to her that there is a great deal that we arent told from our govt and media.

she now has a concrete and non threatening example for herself that she brought up (which is highly unusual for her) so that i can take off from that to let her know in subtle ways that we are not told things in all areas of life and that there is a lot she doesnt know about

oh yeah - this also just came up because of the fla hurricanes. she brought up that they play an endless loop of the stories that things arent so bad but she knows from some source that things arent so great. again i am shocked that she even acknowledges this. so i again am able to say that she doesnt know the half of it!

anyway sorry for the long story but i know that no matter how much one tries to say they dont know whats going on, or they say that the govt isnt that bad, then i know there are other ways in which to drive the point home on their terms...

[cthrumatrix]

21. I see alot of people questioning the media ...and how it used and not

covering important issues ...while plugging Lacy Petersen. And when it goes on longer and longer ...they get pissed.

The media is a tool and many more are seeing that.

[faithnotgreed]

22. thats right. when my mom has a question you know

somethings going down because she doesnt question anything.....

[cthrumatrix]

24. to vote bush at this point...requires a "closed mind" and not to look

at facts (or watch Fox news only)

[a new day]

7. I don't believe them when they say so

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040904/OPINION04/409040317/1038

[CBHagman]

9. Friend from high school.

She told me earlier this year that she would not be voting for Bush. Now she says that she probably will wait until the last minute to decide. I am putting together arguments in the hope of helping her see that four more years of Bush will be bad in the long run for her and for the people she loves. I think the quagmire in Iraq might be one of the most compelling points, as one of the members of her family is a teenager eager to get in the military. I feel sick at the possibility of the boy being sent off to Iraq.

[JohnKleeb]

16. I now know an undecided

My government teacher says he's a moderate but leans conservative, he's in the army reserves, seems like an open minded guy because he said fox wasn't fair and balanced today.

[coalition_unwilling]

23. There's actually a school of thought on the left

That says that what America most needs is another four years of W, in order to bring the contradictions in his policies home to the vast majority of people. Only after another 4 years of Bush will the rottenness and corruption be so manifest as to allow for a real change and not the pseudo-change(s) provided by Kerry.

That this will mean immense amounts of suffering seems to mean nothing to this particular school of thought, nor does it stop to examine whether one can ever move two steps forward by taking one step backward.

I'd be interested in the DU spin on this way of thinking, as I have to counter it every once in awhile.

[Nederland]

17. Yes

A co-worker of his mind flips back and forth between Kerry and Bush fairly regularly--not "daily", but fairly often.

A classic undecided.

[Meshuga]

18. Yes but I think he is full of it...

I can't believe anybody is undecided...

[noonwitch]

19. I have a coworker who hates them both

She is more inclined to vote republican, as she thinks abortion and homosexuality should be illegal. Yet she voted for Gore in 2000 because she is a union member. She liked Bush after 9-11 and until the Iraq invasion.

Currently, she states that she hates both Bush and Kerry. I think she will end up voting for Kerry, but probably won't make up her mind until close to the election.

[stevedeshazer]

20. I know one guy who is undecided

[nomaco-10]

25. No, there is literally a miniscule number of UNDECIDEDS, but there is a...

relatively large number of APATHETICS and UNINSPIREDS. And at this point in time, I think thay are lost... what a pity.

[cthrumatrix]

27. bingo...many are just trying to survive month-to month, busy as hell

with famil and/or responsibilities. I can totally see your point.

[West Coast Democrat]

26. All of the undecideds I know are republicans or conservatives...

I don't know any Democrats who are undecided.