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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 09:18 AM
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A Thank You to Mario Savio
"There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"
--Mario Savio

The way that an individual functions within a larger group, and the way that those groups operate within the greater society, has long fascinated me. The 2008 presidential campaign contest, including both the two major party’s primaries, and the general election, will definitely be studied by both sociologists and historians as the most intense since 1968. Within those studies there will be a focus on "group dynamics."

In both 1968 and 2008, the elections were heavily influenced by the federal government being seen as a war machine, more intent upon inflicting its will on a foreign nation that posed no threat to it, than on responding to the needs of the American citizens. In both years, groups of people who had been becoming organized for years were presenting challenges to the machine. Those challenges were rooted in the Power of Ideas.

Older DUers tend to remember Mario Savio with great affection. He was the son of Sicilian Catholics, and as a teen, served as an alter boy while considering entering the priesthood. He was a highly intelligent high school and college student, and his belief in the social gospel that is known as "liberation theology" would lead him to become involved in groups that were politically active.

In 1963, he traveled to Taxco, Mexico, as part of a Catholic relief agency that assisted the poor in becoming self-sufficient. The following year, Savio took part in a protest against a segregated hotel chain in San Francisco; he was one of 167 people arrested. While in jail, an associate asked him to take part in the Freedom Summer activities in the south. While in Mississippi, he and two other volunteers were attacked by a group of thugs. The police refused to investigate the case, until civil rights leaders put pressure on President Johnson.

Upon returning to college at Berkeley, Savio faced a decision: should he be satisfied with his investment in the civil rights movement, or should he sacrifice his own comfortable position, and become active on a higher level? This led to his being a leader of the Free Speech Movement.

Savio would say that his primary interest was social justice, not "politics." More, he did not advocate breaking every law that he felt was unjust, but rather being selective. In many ways, he was a revolutionary priest who recognized that the power of the Constitution was not limited to a document in a glass case in a Washington, DC museum; rather, its power was in being a living document that needed to be exercised in every generation.

There was an incident on his campus, where Sevio would tell a crowd that was facing a potentially violent confrontation with police, "I ask you to rise quietly and with dignity, and go home." The crowd peacefully dispersed. This incident was similar to when Malcolm X dispersed a crowd in New York City, and when a high-ranking police officer said, "No man should have that much power." Historian John Henrik Clarke said, "I believe it was at this time and after, with some consistency, that they began to plan the death of Malcolm X. (Malcolm X: Make It Plain; Cheryll Greene; page 105) The implications are fascinating: a person who could keep a crowd from becoming involved in violence was considered "dangerous."

At this time, Savio became a target of the FBI. FOI documents released in 1999 showed that it was the crowd dispersal that caused J. Edgar Hoover distress. He was placed on the list of "key targets" by COINTELPRO, and Hoover literally placed him on the list of American citizens to be rounded up and held in detention without access to court review, in the case of a "national emergency." This was not because he advocated violence, or was a "communist." It was because he was an advocate of the Power of Ideas, specifically those found in the Constitution of the United States.

Now, back to group dynamics. Within every group that works for positive social change, there is always some degree of tension. This takes place on two levels: first, between the group leadership and the larger, often "grass roots" membership; and second, within the leadership. A perfect example of this is found in the civil rights movement. Many of the people at the grass roots level felt an increasing divide between their daily efforts and the leaders of the various groups, such as the NAACP and SCLC. Also, the older leaders of several groups were jealous of the international attention focused upon Martin Luther King, Jr. It’s fair to compare this to some of the tensions that have existed within groups during the democratic primaries, and with the mild friction between Jesse Jackson, Sr. And Barack Obama.

The institutional opposition to social/political activists who advocate "change" is an important area for us to focus our attention. The machine always seeks to identify areas of tension within the groups to exploit. There are, of course, numerous other tactics, but the attempt to fracture the group is the half of Hoover’s command to "disrupt and neutralize" that fits our study of group dynamics this morning.

Those who were active in the 1960s and ‘70s know that it was while the enemies of social change infiltrated and spied upon all groups, they were most able to "disrupt" those groups that were associated with the potential for violence. The best examples of this were the infiltration of the Black Panther Party and the American Indian Movement. Two types of people were sent in to infiltrate these groups: informers and agent provocateurs.

"Informers," as we know from Michael Moore’s classic "Fahrenheit 9/11," infiltrate on spy on any "anti-war" group, even those who engage in peaceful, legal means of expressing free speech. The idea of an undercover officer reporting on meetings where group members eat cookies and drink milk would be funny, if it were not so anti-American. Far less humorous are the agent provocateurs, who try to gain positions near the leadership, and who advocate the most violent and illegal actions, in order to disrupt and neutralize the group.

When Martin Luther King, Jr., was leading non-violent demonstrations, the enemy was unable to do more within the group than plant informers. Because the group was non-violent, it was not possible to make use of agent provocateurs. However, in the last period of his life, his enemies hired people to participate in peaceful public assemblies and marches, and to create havoc by such behaviors as breaking windows and throwing rocks. This would disrupt the movement’s actions, and helped to discredit it in the national media. The classic example was King’s first march in Memphis.

Among those who attempt to infiltrate in order to spy on and disrupt groups are political operatives. They are not that different from the agent provocateurs who try to discredit politically active groups, except they tend to wear suits and ties. During the 1968 and ’72 elections, the Nixon campaign relied heavily upon them. They planted spies in the campaigns of every democratic candidate, from the primaries through the general elections. Many of their activities are documented in the Senate Watergate Report. Among these operatives were a number of toxins from the Republican College group.

This year, in the primary season, republican operatives attempted to create hostilities between the groups that backed Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. They have continued this effort in the general election campaign, with limited success.

We have also witnessed people attempting to fool us on the internet, including on DU. This weekend, for example, a person claimed to be a friend of the fellow who assisted Ashley Todd in reporting on her "assault." This person asked us to "trust" him, and assured us that the incident involved no group activity, but was rather the work of one mentally ill person. That attempt to encourage DUers to take a short-cut to rational thought didn’t work well, and thankfully the person was "tomb-stoned."

As we approach the election of Barack Obama and Joseph Biden, we see more of the republican machine becoming desperate. They fear the very idea of national leaders who can help bring about social progress by rational, peaceful means. Yet it is not just the "leaders" that they fear: they are upset by the concept of community organizers and grass roots activists working in an atmosphere where positive change can be instituted.

After Obama and Biden take office in January, our work will not be completed. Instead, we will be at a point where, like Mario Savio, we have to ask ourselves if we want to "retire" to our relative comforts, or if we instead are willing to step up to a higher level, which is needed in order to bring life to that Constitution in the towns and cities across America. And when we do this, we need to have an understanding and appreciation for the role of group dynamics.

Thank you for reading this. And thank you to Mario Savio and all the others who made this election possible.

Your friend,
H2O Man
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:38 AM
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1. "After Obama and Biden take office in January, our work will not be completed."
Excellent advice! So true! So true!

"After Obama and Biden take office in January, our work will not be completed. Instead, we will be at a point where, like Mario Savio, we have to ask ourselves if we want to 'retire' to our relative comforts, or if we instead are willing to step up to a higher level, which is needed in order to bring life to that Constitution in the towns and cities across America. And when we do this, we need to have an understanding and appreciation for the role of group dynamics."

To the "higher level" then, it is! And, Lordy, Lordy, do you put your finger right on it. If we want to avoid the fate of Hitler's Germany, wracked by the Great Depression, and by the fractiousness of the left, and the inability of the center-left to govern the country, which led to straight to Hitler's rise, we must pull together.

There will be many pent-up frustrations, and much anger, which we have put aside in an all-out effort to oust this junta, which could rip this country to pieces. First and foremost may be disappointment with Obama--which I have been trying to warn people about for some time. He is not a magician. And from what I can see, no FDR. A good man--very intelligent, heart in the right place--but severely hedged in by the Corpo/Fascists in our own party, not to mention by the ropes that have been tied on him, or will be tied on him, by the global corporate predators who rule over us, such as this financial 9/11 that the Bushwhacks have just pulled off, and Dieblod & brethren significantly shaving his mandate. And God knows what else thy may have planned. I think they intend a period of turmoil, a short troubled "liberal" regime, in which all this Bushite shite gets blamed on "the Democrats," then install someone worse than Bush and Cheney in 2012, via their 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting machines. Among other things, letting Obama win (but win small) may save their election theft machines for this future use.

We may well see a Draft. (Obama has promised to move the Forever War to Afghanistan--a compromise he likely had to make with the war profiteers. Karzai, the Saudis and the Taliban may head that off with a peace treaty--but we don't know yet.) We may see a war on Venezuela--something I'm very worried about, and that I think there is considerable evidence that the Bushwhacks intend. We may yet see breadlines, and many protests--and civil disturbances on scores of issues--as people grow impatient with Obama's promises of "change." And there will be agents provocateur aplenty, as well as sabotage of Obama within the government, the military and intel agencies, which the Bushwhacks have had eight long years to prepare.

It is not going to be an easy time. I think our first priority must be the voting system. We need: a) a paper ballot for every vote, and b) a 100% handcount as a check on machine fraud, at least through the next couple of election cycles. (10% to 50% might be adequate after that. Venezuela does 55%, in an OPEN SOURCE CODE system--five times the minimum needed to detect fraud. We should be doing at least that in this 'TRADE SECRET' CODE system.) We may not be able to pry these election theft machines from the claws of our corrupt election officials, but we can, and we must, achieve the ability to verify the vote.

And we should not be put off by an Obama win, thinking everything is okay. IT IS NOT OKAY. As long as the Corpo/Fascists who own and control this SECRET CODE have that power, we are in great peril, and, I guarantee you, we will not see serious reform.

Another thing we have to watch out for is the Diebold III Congress making things worse. If they move to federalize, centralize and/or standardize the voting system, look out! A national requirement to use electronic voting, and NO requirements for the audit, may well be the result. Then we will have lost the opportunity to reform this at the state/local level. (Electronic voting is not now required; the coup of fasttracking these non-transparent voting systems all over the country was accomplished by means of corruption--a $3.9 billion e-voting boondoggle.)

Really, I think we ought to ignore everything else until this is done. Some will want investigations and criminal actions against the Bushites. Yes, it should be done. No, it won't likely be possible. The Democrats already threw away impeachment--maybe in a bargain to get this coup out, we don't know. If so, I suspect continued immunity was part of it. In any case, I think it's useless to pursue it until we have restored vote counting to the PUBLIC VENUE. 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting causes all kinds of weirdness in our leaders--fear induced by blackmail, incomprehensible compromises, lame policy, re-endorsing and re-funding an illegal war, failure to close Guantanamo Bay, failure to ban domestic spying, failure to ban torture, and on and on. We have to understand what they are dealing with--not just yell at them--and act to give real, structural support to our best leaders, and transparent vote counting is one of the best and most important supports we can give. If we can guarantee them election, when they act in the public interest, we will see a lot more strength in Congress and in the White House.

I think maybe Mario Savio's invocation may be a little off point. What we have to do is not "put our bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus" of the "machine" that oppresses us, and "make it stop!" Instead, we need to put oil in the machinery of our government and make it work for us again. We need to put our bodies and minds into harmonious effort to pull this rig off the shoals and correct its course, as democracy is designed to do, and has been prevented from doing. This ship of state is sinking; its mast is down, it sails are torn; this is not a time to argue with the new captain, unless you have something relevant to say about the practical matter at hand, not drowning in the hurricane.

It is a time to patch the sails. It is a time to hew a new mast and hold the ropes that pull it up. It is a time to bail the water. We can argue about everything else later.

This is not to say that we should not protest renewed war, or a Draft, or anything else that will put our ship of state in further danger. But unless we repair the nuts and bolts of our democracy, it won't matter what we say, just as it hasn't mattered to our leaders for eight years now. Once again, Obama is not a magician. And his policies are not adequate to the reform needed. The ship needs rebuilding--every plank of it is rotten. With Obama, we may make it to dry land. That's all he can do, until we, the people, recreate our democracy, starting with vote counting that everyone can see and understand.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:39 PM
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2. Very interesting.
Thank you for a really great response.

I can only speculate, but I believe it is likely that were he alive today, Mario Savio would say something very similar to what you said here. Being older and wiser, he might say that our tactics should not be physically throwing ourselves upon the gears of the machine, for that risks our being shredded. Rather, to lear from the 1960s and '70s, and to make those adjustments to fit today's circumstances. Oil the machine -- I like that. I'd say we need an oil change.

The topic of the conflict in Afghanistan is going to be one where we will have to take action. That should not be limited to the same types of rallies that were once effective, but have lost their impact. I am friends with the folks who participated in the "St. Patrick's Four" activity at the beginning of the Iraq war, and while I have nothing but the utmost respect for them, I think that their tactics should be employed by relatively smaller groups. I think our best bet is to look to the young folks, suggest that they consider the essence of Gandhi-King philosophy, and update it for today. The answers to Afghanistan will not come by way of bullets and bombs. The only "answers" are respect, compassion, and aid. We should lose the Bush arrogance that we can "remake" others into what our nation wants them to be. I do believe that Barack Obama understands this, and that he will listen to us if we are determined in advocating a sane policy.

Regarding election fraud: I view it as very serious. Four years ago, I told one of my closest friends (who I frequently lobby to become a member of DU, which she reads daily) that I was confident Kerry would win, but suspected the republicans would steal the election. I think that in 2008, the majority of the fraud will be aimed at changing the outcome of Congressional and state elections. I do not think it is as likely that they will steal the presidential election. Of course, anything is possible.

Again, I thank you for your response. Made my day.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 01:42 PM
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3. K&R !!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:17 PM
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12. Love that sig line cliffordu! ;)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:21 PM
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13. A trollquote from another website.....I like the act that you got called out, too....
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:23 PM
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4. Perhaps this is the beginning of a mature America.
I just wsnt to say how valuable you have been for my understanding of where we stand today with respect to where we have stood in previous elections. Your writing is elegant in it's simplicity. But it's full and rich. Stan Getz comes to mind.

I see you as a lighthouse. Many of us feel it's over now. We can go back to our lives. Now I see that what was still is. And I'm worried. It's not just the small time freeper types, but the big "officials".

My replies never do justice. But I'm compelled to because every one of your posts agitates my senses. In a good way.

So perhaps we're mature enough to recognize our opponents now. I just hope we can finally get a chance to bring to life our dreams. I fear it will be stolen again. Either before or after the election.

And thank you for sharing your knowledge. It fosters growth. It passes on that seed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:30 PM
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14. Many thanks.
There are a lot of good minds on this forum, with a wealth of information to share with others. As a result of the combination of my experiences and my studies, I like to think that I have a few important contributions to make to the group process here. And so I appreciate knowing that some people read what I post, and consider it of some value.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:25 PM
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5. For Mario!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:34 PM
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15. Photos like that
remind me of times past. You can see the energy there.

When I was young and starting out in public speaking, he and Malcolm X were my role models.

This election has been a long time in coming. Glad to have the opportunity to be able to discuss things on this forum with you, as I think that you have an appreciation for the same things from that era as do I. What happened then made today possible.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:26 PM
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6. Video of Savio speaking on the steps of Sproul Hall,
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 02:26 PM by bleever

December 2, 1964:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw

Recommended! Thank you for sharing these thoughts.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 03:04 PM
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10. I was there during that speech
These past few weeks, so much of the sixties has haunted my memory: the unjust war, the corruption in high places, but most of all the hope we young people had that we could change things for the better. I started out knocking on doors for Eugene McCarthy - now I'm making calls on my cell phone and knocking on doors for Barack Obama.

Sadly, Mario is no longer with us, but the hope is making a comeback. I'm so glad my son's generation is getting its chance to change things for the better. And this former campus radical is getting her chance to remember what it was like to be young and hopeful again.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:39 PM
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17. I think that the
young people in the 1960s had a premonition of a just society. People like Sevio understood that with the awesome power of ideas comes the limitless possibilities available to us. And it wasn't that the leaders then were "ahead of their time" -- they were alive at exactly the right time. Together with the grass roots, their efforts were the investment that made today possible. And while we will not fully complete the work needed for a just society in the next 4 or 8 years, we can continue to build on the foundation that was built 40 years ago.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:35 PM
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7. Thanks for a great post.
As much as I would like to "retire" after the election if we are fortunate enough to win, it is just the beginning. Thanks for mentioning Savio. Recommended.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:43 PM
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18. Democracy requires
constant struggle. We are on the eve of an important victory, but we have a heck of a long way to go. But I can't help but get a great deal of satisfaction from the presidential contest. I hope that you are enjoying it, too.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:45 PM
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8. Ahh. Yes. I remember Mario Savio... I was in college...
Wow. Thanks so much for this post!!!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:46 PM
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19. Thank you.
I think that anyone who was exposed to him then, remembers him now. There were a lot of really inspirational people from that era, who deserve a great deal of credit for the advances we are making today. It's important to remember their contributions.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:48 PM
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9. Always a treat


The post Nov 5th world at DU will be confusing in many ways.


We have some very radical views here and I think that there will be a group that will try and drive us into an anti-Obama mode very quickly - reacting angrily to his cabinet picks - for example.


I count my self on the much more conservative side of DU generally but I think that the image of 'bodies of upon the gears' is useful and that our first job should be on ensuring the 'gears' of expressing the people's will should be among the first order of business:

1) Taking Joe Lieberman firmly by the wrist and escort him outside of the Senate Caucus.

The whole idea of electing 60 for a 'filibuster' proof Senate is a little silly. We aren't going to get every Democrat on every issue and we will be able to get a few Republicans on almost any issue - especially in the begining when the fresh smell of mandate is still in the wind. I don't mind compromising with Republicans or even Joe Lieberman - identifying a traitor and kicking him out however will help show that discipline is important.

2) Electoral Reform.

I don't really buy the conspiracy of mass voter fixing but there really shouldn't be any question at all. We should go to scanning ballots and keeping ballots so that bipartisan groups can get their hands on a ballot by ballot inventory if needed.

Also North Carolina has an excellent one stop register and vote. Democracy should be easy.

3) Immigration reform

Take our workers out of the shadows and get them on the way to legal status. Enforce border patrol and employer sanctions and let people who work and live the American dream live in the daylight.


These latter two points will help ensure that we obtain a true democratic voice.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:56 PM
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20. Very important points.
I tend to think of myself as a progressive democrat. I define "progressive" in terms of values held, and actions taken. Those two things combine to make progress. Some progress happens in high places, but most of it comes from the grass roots. In every case, progress takes time.

A fascinating group dynamic, proven time and again, is that when people's expectations are raised, but not met, they feel frustrated. So I agree with you that it is likely that some DUers will be disappointed that this election is only the starting point in the process of change, rather than "the answer" to all problems.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:12 PM
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11. As a Berkeley alumnus
I cannot tell you how many times I read that quote in the Free Speech Movement Cafe, or gazed with admiration at the plaque on the Mario Savio Steps in Sproul Plaza, contemplating the meaning of what had happened there decades before. Thanks for this, H2OMan.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 09:03 PM
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22. Thank you
for sharing that.

When my oldest son was graduating from high school, his principal told him that he should attend Berkeley. I liked that idea.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:35 PM
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16. I love Savio.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 09:04 PM
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23. Then I hope that
you think my OP did justice to him.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:56 PM
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21. k&r -- I wish I could make a comment that would do your post justice, and maybe one will come to me
tomorrow.

For now, I'm half asleep and ready to log off DU. I just wanted to make sure to acknowledge your exquisite post.

Many thanks, you are a light bearer.

sw

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 09:06 PM
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24. Thank you.
I think that you have done it justice already, though I certainly look forward to further discussion tomorrow.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 02:12 AM
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25. Excellent k*R
There's a lot of wisdom and compassion in this post, not just from Savio.

Thanks so much for this context. Hadn't quite thought of that but you're right.

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