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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:09 PM
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What are the best documented Bush lies?
Are there any true lies that he can't get out of? For instance, with Iraq and WMDs, he can blame bad intelligence. With regard to Clinton telling him that Osama bin Laden was the biggest threat, he can deny Clinton said that. With broken campaign promises, he can blame things on 9/11. Are there any lies that he really can't weasel out of? Thanks.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:12 PM
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1. The 'OIL' will PAY for the war!
that's the one that get me the most........
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:12 PM
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2. Oath of Office
"I, George Walker Bush, do solemnly swear to uphold and support the Constitution of the United States, so help me God."

How more damning can it be?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:15 PM
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3. Go here>>>>>>
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:16 PM
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4. yes, he went to war with Iraq because he said that Iraq
had connections with 9/11 and then he said that he didn't say there was a connection.

Read this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:17 PM
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5. Their Nazi past - well hidden, called CT yet thoruoughly documented
Edited on Mon Sep-06-04 10:18 PM by seventhson
1940s: Business As Usual
Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation was located near the Polish town of Oswiecim, one of Poland's richest mineral regions. That was where Hitler set up the Auschwitz concentration camp. When the plan to work Soviet prisoners fell through, the Nazis transferred Jews, communists, gypsies and other minority populations to the camp. The prisoners of Auschwitz who were able to work were shipped to 30 different companies. One of the companies was the vast Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation. "Nobody's made the connection before between Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, Auschwitz and Prescott Bush," John Loftus told Clamor. "That was the reason why Auschwitz was built there. The coal deposits could be processed into either coal or additives for aviation gasoline."


Even though Thyssen and Flick's Consolidated Steel was in their possession, Hitler's invasions across Europe spooked them, bringing back memories of World War I. Thyssen and Flick sold Consolidated Steel to UBC. Under the complete control of Harriman and management of Bush, the company became Silesian American Corporation which became part of UBC and Harriman's portfolio of 15 corporations. Thyssen quickly moved to Switzerland and later France to hide from the terror about to be unleashed by the Nazi war machine he had helped build.

A portion of the slave labor force in Poland was "managed by Prescott Bush," according to a Dutch intelligence agent. In 1941, slave labor had become the lifeblood of the Nazi war machine. The resources of Poland's rich steel and coal field played an essential part in Hitler's invasion of Europe. According to Higham, Hitler and the Fraternity of American businessmen "not only sought a continuing alliance of interests for the duration of World War II, but supported the idea of a negotiated peace with Germany that would bar any reorganization of Europe along liberal lines. It would leave as its residue a police state that would place the Fraternity in postwar possession of financial, industrial, and political autonomy."

Six days after Pearl Harbor and the US declaration of war at the end of 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and US Attorney General Francis Biddle signed the Trading With the Enemy Act, which banned any business interests with US enemies of war. Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government had had enough of Prescott Bush and his Nazi business arrangements with Thyssen. Over the summer, The New York Tribune had exposed Bush and Thyssen, whom the Tribune dubbed "Hitler's Angel." When the US government saw UBC's books, they found out that Bush's bank and its shareholders "are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country." The list of seven UBC share holders was:
E. Roland Harriman - 3991 shares
Cornelis Lievense - 4 shares
Harold D.Pennington - 1 share
Ray Morris-- 1 share
Prescott S. Bush - 1 share
H.J. Kouwenhoven - 1 share
Johann G. Groeninger - 1 share.


From www.john-loftus.com (see Thyseen files)
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:28 PM
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6. The best has to be where . . .
Bush said he cannot win the "war on terror" – which is a statement he promptly flip-flopped as soon as Karl Rove took him back to the woodshed. It’s an amazing flip from the foreign policy flop who constantly accuses the other side of inconsistency. Here is a video clip
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/bushcantwin.html

But wait, you also like to hear Bush extol the virtues of Porter Goss, his nominee for head of the CIA, which can be nicely coupled with Mr. Goss’s own admission that he is not qualified for the job. Here is another video clip
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/portergoss.html

This is hopeless; there are just too many to choose from.

Here are my next 20 runners up (I stopped at 20 from sheer nausea, I could go on):

1) Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
2) Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
3) Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
4) Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
5) Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
6) Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
7) Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
8) Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
9) Bush is for states' right to decide on gay marriage; then he is for changing the constitution.
10) Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency); then he doesn't.
11) Bush says that 'help is on the way' to the military; then he cuts benefits.
12) Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden"; Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care."
13) Bush says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea; then he will.
14) Bush goes to Bob Jones University; then he says he shouldn't have.
15) Bush says he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq; then Bush announces he would not call for a vote.
16) Bush says the 'mission accomplished' banner was put up by the sailors; then he admits it was his advance team.
17) Bush is for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US; then he was against it.
18) Bush promised to lobby OPEC to lower oil prices; then he said he wouldn't.
19) Bush promises 'no child left behind'; then he doesn't fund it.
20) Bush campaigns as a uniter; then he governs as a divider.

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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:32 PM
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7. Wait! How could I forget this one
This isn't the biggest lie, but it may be the creepiest. And it is meticulously well documented.

Witnessing the 9-11 tragedy unfold is an experience that binds us as Americans. Everyone in America remembers exactly how he or she learned of the 9-11 disaster -- everyone except President Bush.

Bush has said, "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident." This is the official White House report of Bush's comments. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html. This wasn't some one-time misstatement; Bush has repeated the same story on other occasions. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html.

Bush's story about how he learned of the 9-11 disaster is demonstrably false. American flight 11, the first plane, crashed into the north towers of the World Trade Center at 8:46, and the initial media reports began airing at 8:48. See http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html. However, the film footage of the first plane crashing into the tower was not located and aired until September 12, 2001, so Bush could not have seen the first plane hit the tower before going into the classroom at the Emma E Booker Elementary School on the morning of September 11. See http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/bostonherald102202.html. From 9:03 to 9:12, Bush gormlessly sat in the classroom reading The Pet Goat. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F12%2F16%2Fwbush16.xml; http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html. Shortly after Bush sat down in the classroom, United flight 175 hit the south tower. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F12%2F16%2Fwbush16.xml. Bush did not know of the second plane crash until Andy Card told him at 9:05 during the classroom presentation. See http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/sfchronicle091102.html; http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/nyt091601b.html.

Bush could not have seen the fist plane crash into the towers before he sat down to read The Pet Goat because that film footage was not yet available, and he could not have seen the second plane hit the tower because he learned of that crash from Card after he was already sitting in the classroom. When Bush said "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower," Bush was clearly wrong. When Bush elaborated and said "I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident," he was not merely wrong, he was deliberately adding fabricated details to a false statement. Nobody in America has such a faulty memory of their own personal experience watching the 9-11 tragedy unfold -- nobody except Bush.


This is not the first time the Bush-Cheney team casually lied about deeply personal experience with America's great losses. Upon accepting the Republican nomination for vice president, Dick Cheney gave the following speech with great emotion: "Time and again when I was in my former job, as secretary of defense, I traveled a lot . . . and when I came home, my plane would land at Andrews air force base, and I'd return to the Pentagon by helicopter. When you make that trip from Andrews to the Pentagon, and you look down on the city of Washington, . . . but just before you settle down on the landing pad, you look upon Arlington national cemetery - its gentle slopes and crosses row on row. I never once made that trip without being reminded how enormously fortunate we all are to be Americans, and what a terrible price thousands have paid so that all of us - and millions more around the world - might live in freedom." See http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/08/02/politics/main221310.shtml. Cheney's stirring recollection of "crosses row on row" was just something he made up rather than a true experience, of course, because the grave markers at Arlington national cemetery are rectangular slabs with rounded tops, not crosses. See . If you made this trip as often as Cheney and you never once made that trip without looking at those grave markers and thinking what a terrible price thousands of Americans have paid, you'd think you would remember the shape of those grave markers.

Cheney's fake memory of Arlington national cemetery, like Bush's false story about how he learned of the 9-11 national tragedy, isn't a big lie, but it is a lie so personal and so unnecessary it calls the integrity of the liar into question and implies a great disrespect for the audience. Why would Bush-Cheney tell such lies? Because they are different from you and me.

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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 10:48 PM
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8. I can't stop!
How about Bush's lies to support his illegitimate claim to membership in the American Legion?

How does a person become a member of The Legion? Here are the qualifications, according to The Legion’s web site:

"I certify by forwarding this application that ...

<1> I served at least one day of active military duty
<2> during the dates marked below and
<3> was honorably discharged or am still serving honorably."

https://join.legion.org/be_a_member/bm_applyonline.php

The terms "active duty," "active duty for training," "veteran" are defined by law. Title 38, United States Code, Part I, Chapter 1
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/38/101.html

"Veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. "Active duty" means - (A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other than active duty for training. "Active duty for training" means - (A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces performed by Reserves for training purposes.

The Legion also requires a person’s "active duty" must be on Federal Orders. In contrast, State Orders, such as the Texas Air National Guard (TANG) don’t qualify a person for Legion membership.

Bush’s DD214 (Report of Separation from Active Duty) lists only "AD for TNG (which is "active duty for training"). Bush’s DD214 contains no entries for "active duty" for purposes other than training. There is no evidence of Federal Orders (often referred to as Title 10 Federal Orders) for "active duty" because the paperwork released by the White House contains only State Orders (often referred to as Title 32 State Orders). If Bush’s only orders are under Title 32, then Bush’s isn’t a veteran, and Bush isn’t eligible to be a Legionnaire. Likewise, Bush’s discharge from the Air Force Reserve, a form called an NGB 22, came from the TANG through the Air Reserve Personnel Center, not from the U.S. Air Force (USAF), where people serve on active duty. Under Line 30 on Bush’s NGB 22, only ANG training is listed. There are no periods of Federal Orders for active duty listed on Bush’s NGB 22.

http://www.glcq.com/docs/arf_discharge.htm


The issue of Bush’s veteran status was brought up at the very start of the last presidential campaign season, but the press dropped it after one story. The Associated Press (AP) reported Bush’s non-veteran status in 1999, even going so far as to cite the USAF. The AP article confirms Bush was never on active duty. The AP reporter who wrote the story should double-check their sources and quotes. And the AP should be asked to explain why this story was dropped five years ago.

The USAF said Bush was only in training status. Bush served only in the TANG, not in the USAF. The AP article below shows Bush’s spokeswoman Karen Hughes blurring the lines and saying training was equal to active duty.

Bush defends 1978 ad citing Air Force service

July 17, 1999

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — In 1978 campaign literature, George W. Bush said he served in the Air Force, a statement his Presidential campaign says is legitimate based on time he spent training and on alert while a member of the Texas Air National Guard.

The Air Force says once a guardsman, always a guardsman, even if called to active duty for training or another temporary assignment (emphasis added).

The Republican Presidential front-runner already had faced questions about whether he received preferential treatment when he joined the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

A pullout ad from The Lubbock Avalanche-Journal on May 4, 1978, shows a huge picture of Bush with a "Bush for Congress" logo on the front. On the back, a synopsis of his career says he served "in the U.S. Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard, where he piloted the F-102 aircraft."

Asked about the statement that the Texas governor served in the Air Force, spokeswoman Karen Hughes said yesterday that it was all accurate. She said that while Bush was attending flight school from November 1968 to November 1969, he was considered to be on active duty for the U.S. Air Force. Also, at several times when he was serving in the Guard, he was placed on alert and considered to be on active duty as well, she said.

The Air Force says that Air National Guard members are considered "guardsmen on active duty" while receiving pilot training. They are not, however, counted as members of the overall active-duty Air Force (emphasis added).

Union Leader (New Hampshire), July 17, 1999.

Bush has not provided any evidence he is a veteran, and Bush appears ineligible to be a Legionnaire.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 11:02 PM
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9. Send the flip flops to the Kerry campaign.....priceless
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 11:23 PM
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11. The independents who are for Bush mistakenly think he's
mush-brained but at least he's consistent. They are right that he is mush-brained but he's far from consistent (he slips up every time he tries to open his mouth without consulting Karl Rove beforehand). What is more, I think the Bush campaign knows this is Bush's secret weakness. Look at how they campaign. Rover sees Bush's failure to fulfill even his paltry daddy-got-me-this-light-duty-stateside national service falling short as stacked up against Kerry's heroic Purple Hearts and Silver and Bronze Stars so what does he do? Rover attacks where he knows his guy is weakest. You look at what a huge promise-breaker Bush has been and what does Rover prescribe for an ailing candidate with can't-govern-as-I-campaigned-itis? Call the other guy a flip-flopper (don't mind that we have already tried to paint him as the number 1 liberal and if he's the number 1 liberal out of 100 Senators AT LEAST you should have to acknowledge that he must be a fairly consistent person who votes based on his conscience and principles -- no let's ignore that for now because God knows the anti-liberal media will).

Most importantly, you shouldn't expect the Kerry campaign to carry this message (they have their own issues and they need to roll out a positive domestic agenda to fill the canyon-sized hole in Bush's acceptance speech). Take the baton yourself. Email everyone you know. Post on non-partisan message boards. Write letters to your newspaper. Sit your friends and family down and tell them what's on your mind. That's what grassroots are all about. You are the messenger. Tell your message early, often, and at the top of your lungs. Tell your message like your future depends on it BECAUSE IT DOES.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 11:12 PM
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10. "I'm a uniter, not a divider" /nt
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 11:29 PM
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12. "We never had an inkling that the intelligence was wrong"
That is a specific lie: many had warned them, to such a degree that they had to goosestep over to Langley and then set up OSP at the Pentagon.

"The SEC exonerated me." The letter informing him of the end of the investigation in the Harken affair specifically says in the closing that "this is not to be considered an exoneration". If he didn't know what the specific wording of the letter was, than his emphatic statement of "fact" is itself a lie.

Saddam wasn't cooperating with the inspections in '03.

And on and on and on.
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