'McCain staffer' repeats Downey's error uses mirror to write B backwards

[grantcart]

In 1984 Morton Downey staged an attack on himself ---- but he drew the swastika on backwards because he was using a mirror

The 'victim' made the same mistake

http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2008/10/mccain-staffer-claims-b-was-carved-into.html




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Downey_Jr.

In 1989, as fascination with Downey's TV show began to wane, he was involved in an incident in a San Francisco International Airport restroom in which he claimed to have been attacked by neo-Nazis who painted a swastika on his face and attempted to shave his head. Some inconsistencies in Downey's account (e.g., the swastika was painted in reverse, suggesting that Downey had drawn it himself in a mirror), and the failure of the police to find supportive evidence, led many to suspect that the incident was a hoax and a plea for attention.

later, during an appearance on The Howard Stern Show, Downey admitted that he had orchestrated the entire "attack" -- even shaving the front of his own head in the desperate effort to save his show from cancellation

[endarkenment]

1. What is the source for the picture (other than the link, which went down)?

If that is legit, this STUNT is about to

BLOW THE FUCK UP

[fed_up_mother]

6. It's either fake, or he was holding her down in some fashion to write from the

top of her head...if that makes sense.

You gotta' hit yourself pretty hard to give yourself black eyes like that, though.

:ouch:

Article says she was pushed to the ground, and then he marked her.

[SweetieD]

18. or use Halloween makeup, whichever is easier.

[Sparkly]

76. I'm tellin' ya, with bad mascara I can look like that at the end of a day.

:shrug:

[JohnWxy]

64. very carefully done abrasion requiring more time than a thief would want to take.

probably why she didn't want medical attention. THey would have recognised it a self inflicted.

[Matariki]

68. As someone pointed out in another thread - no swelling, white of eye shows no redness

probably makeup

[fed_up_mother]

71. I agree it looks like makeup

But it also depends on how she got the black eyes.

I once banged into a wall really hard, and I had bruising under my eyes from hitting my nose! (And yeah, it was self inflicted, but not on purpose!) What was really interesting is that I had a little swelling on one side of my nose, but no bruise on my nose. I never understood that.

[progressivebydesign]

84. there is no physical way to immobilize someone from the top of their head..

I've gone thru this in my mind. He would have been totally unable to control her arms.. AND her head.. with one hand, while carving with the other. The only way someone could have achieved PERFECT "B" on her face, would be to be face to face with her.. .and use his knees to immobilize her hands, and the free hand to hold her head still. I still cannot believe that anyone could carve a perfect "B" on someone's face, who was actually awake at the time.

[jsmirman]

7. Seriously, it that is it, wtf

I'm tired, so there's no way it looks like this if she took the picture in the mirror, right? And why would that be the photo put out there if it's a mirror shot, anyway...

If that's what it looks like, name me the mugger who can write anything backwards!

[TheBigotBasher]

78. Dubya?

She is caught by her own twitter site, which is almost my signature now. This bigot was looking for a way to get off a second driving offence.

[nc4bo]

13. Yes it should! Stop the madness immediately before Mccain/Palin rally

attendees start taking this crap out on anyone who looks like a "potential mugger".

This woman belongs in jail.

[WillParkinson]

2. Morton Downey...

Not Robert. :-)

[Kaleko]

43. Yeah, don't get Robert Downey Jr. involved in this nonsense.

He's been dragged through the mud enough already.

[WinkyDink]

50. I corrected him in another thread. Didn't he bother to read the ARTICLE??

[grantcart]

55. half heimers not yet reaching Alzheimers

thinking Morton and typing Robert

[grantcart]

53. lol thanks

[DJ13]

3. That backwards B looks like she used a fingernail, not a weapon

Didnt even break the skin.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. I've had shaving cuts worse than that.

[merh]

16. or an eraser

she got the black eye somewhere else and rather than answer to how, she marked herself to blame OBAMA.

An "O" would have been so much easier, it wouldn't have been a backwards/forwards thing.

[Howardx]

4. that was quick

whats the penalty for false reporting i wonder?

[GrizzlyMan]

8. Wonder how much she was paid

10 thousand? Maybe a shopping spree at Nieman Marcus?

[grantcart]

9. probably beat up by her bf and had to come up with a story

[rateyes]

10. You know, it's not backwards if she was lying on the ground and he

was above her head. There are some sick fucks in this world, and they're not all Republicans.

Think of it like this:

All Republicans are sick fucks, but not all sick fucks are Republicans.

[Schema Thing]

17. True. But this didn't happen.

[yardwork]

20. I don't believe it would be possible to scratch so lightly if someone were struggling.

If she were asleep or knocked unconscious, it might be possible to scratch that initial with a knife so delicately that it didn't break the skin. I don't believe it would be possible if the victim were struggling, from any angle. Instead, the knife would gouge holes. There would be cuts. It would be a terrible wound.

That initial looks like it was scratched into her face with a fingernail or a pin. Not a knife.

[onenote]

22. if she was lying on the ground and he was above her head

how did he keep her from squirming around? You'd have to immobilize someone to scratch a "B" on their face and how could he do that from above her head?

[merh]

23. Ask them why a "B" and not and "O"

[grantcart]

24. yeah after he robbed her off camera saw the bumper sticker beat her then refused medical treatment

it is possible that her bf is a Democrat because he is the one that gave her the black eye

[rateyes]

72. And, I thought people would get a laugh out of the

"sick fuck" line.

I didn't read the whole article. Just thought maybe he knocked her out. She does have a black eye.

[Lex]

26. So he's not holding her body down? He's on the 'non body' side of her?

She just lies there and lets him fingernail a B into her face?

[renie408]

39. Yeah...that doesn't sound quite right to me.. n/t

[Richard Steele]

91. According to HER statement to police, he was kneeling on her chest.

So, he should be easy to find: a violent, 6'4" dyslexic black male political junkie carrying the world's dullest knife.

And the ONLY HUMAN IN PITTSBURGH WEARING A TANK TOP IN 38-DEGREE WEATHER
last night at 8:45!

:banghead:

[writes3000]

27. But for argument's sake, the mugger wouldn't have any hold of her.

So she'd have to be passed out. And the mugger would have carved upside down with a passed out woman, just because he's "creative"?

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[Parker CA]

44. And if this was the case, would the "victim" not have been flailing her body around trying to free

herself from the grip and the knife against her face? If she had been flailing, how then, did the "mugger" create such a perfectly symetrical "B" without the knife leaving extending cuts beyond normal strokes needed to create a perfect "B?" This story is such BS. My guess is that this woman may have been attacked, but that after, she went to her car, looked in the rearview mirror, stenciled a "B" onto her cheek and waited for the cops to arrive. The other scenario is that she gave herself black eyes, "carved" the "B" into her skin in a mirror, and then went to the ATM.

A good investigator would have the truth from this story after about five mins. This woman is full of hot, steaming BS.

[endarkenment]

45. You go think about the body dynamics of that.

Here I'll help. He is holding her head with one hand and carving with his other while her hands and feet are unrestrained? Oh really?

[gkhouston]

56. And she reported what he said to her right before (or just as) he was

making the B, which would indicate that she was conscious. It's not like he knocked her out and did it while she was unconscious.

[Erin Elizabeth]

79. Thanks for saving me the keystrokes AND making me giggle.

Shyeah, THAT'S gonna work!

[progressivebydesign]

85. People keep saying that. NO you cannot hold someone down from above her head.

I've seen that posted over and over here, and someone posted a Freerepublic conversation where they kept saying that.

Try to imagine that the perp had the usual number of arms. TWO. Picture yourself with two arms, you are kneeling above the top of someone's head, who is lying on the ground. Now.. tell me how you are going to hold that person's two arms down, and hold that head steady, so that you could create a perfect "B" on the face.

You can't do it. So the idea that it was upside down is bogus. If it happened, and I don't believe it happened the way she said, then would HAVE to be from the face to face position, because he could use his knees to hold down her arms.. and one hand to steady her face while he penned that most perfect letter on her cheek.

[JuniperLea]

11. That's a mighty fine looking backward B there considering

There surely must have been a struggle going on!

:rofl:

[HeraldSquare212]

69. That's a great peace symbol. Did you make that?

[yardwork]

12. That's a nasty black eye. I wonder what really happened to her.

I hope that the police investigate this. She looks like she might have been beaten up by somebody she wants to protect. Maybe she scratched the initial into her cheek and made up the mugging story to deflect blame from whoever hit her.

[fed_up_mother]

14. Maybe so, but it doesn't look like she did that to herself, imo.

[yardwork]

28. It takes very little to give oneself a black eye. You could do it in a minute.

However, it takes a couple of days for the bruising to get that large. When did she say this happened? It looks to me like it probably happened this past weekend.

[Lex]

37. Yeah, there is no swelling left or redness.

Looks a few days old, doesn't it?

[fed_up_mother]

40. It happened a few days ago.

[yardwork]

42. The only published news report I've seen said it happened last night at 9 pm.

You seem to know a lot about this case. Where are you getting your info?

[fed_up_mother]

65. Actually, I'm wrong about this one.

I got my news from sources linked on this site, and from MSNBC. I misunderstood that it happened a couple of nights ago.

ETA - I'm nursing a knee injury so I've been reading and posting for the last few days way too much. :)

[Lex]

46. Last night at 9pm is how many days ago?

Do tell.

[Mabus]

58. I noticed that too

No swelling, the eye isn't red or bloodshot and the overall coloration of the bruising is pretty even. It doesn't look real.

[BrklynLiberal]

19. It sounds too much like the "Tawana Brawley" incident. I agree with your assessment.

She is looking to protect whoever gave her the black eye...or herself for being with whoever gave her the black eye.

[yardwork]

34. That's what I'm thinking. Domestic violence, and it probably happened last Sunday or Monday.

Those bruises didn't appear overnight. It takes time for bruises like that to spread. Someone hit her in the face. She could have done it herself, or somebody else could have done it. Maybe she really was mugged.

But no way did somebody scratch that initial in her face with a knife while she was struggling. That did NOT happen the way she says.

[Avalux]

21. That's NOT a black eye.

There would be swelling and redness to the area and the "black" part would be more of a purple color because it would be engorged with blood.

All that is is black make-up.

[Lex]

32. If it is a black-eye, it seems like it wasn't recent.

As you said, no redness or swelling.

[yardwork]

38. It takes several days for the bruising to come up like that.

Whatever happened to her did not happen last night.

[Avalux]

47. If it happened last night, her eye would look like this:

[SweetieD]

49. Exactly!

[anneboleyn]

54. Yes, exactly! her "black eye" barely qualifies as a bruise.

[Avalux]

57. It's just black eye make-up.

She smeared it around and put some yellow shadow on the lid. She's a liar and I hope she's exposed.

[Ian David]

70. Not if she's a vampire. n/t

[uppityperson]

88. But if she was a vampire, she couldn't have seen herself in a mirror for the backwards B. nt

[Ian David]

90. Ahh... very good point. n/t

[catlady]

35. That's what I was thinking too. I've had a black eye and it was swollen badly for days.

And had lots of different colors too. (Caused by my spoiled rotten horse, who never apologized lol)

[grantcart]

48. thats not a natsy black eye - a nasty black eye has swelling and is purple before it goes black

[blogslut]

15. The WTAE story said she refused medical treatment

I find that odd.

[Avalux]

29. The whole thing is FAKE.

I know what facial trauma looks like - that scratch on her cheek is just that - a superficial scratch. That black eye is fake. Nothing but black make-up.

That's why she refused medical treatment - nothing wrong with the dumbass.

[David__77]

25. The candidates should continue to condemn violence.

But I don't see this as terribly germane to the campaign. Nor do I see isolated acts against Obama supporters, including tire slashing, as evidence of conspiracy. In other countries, there is always violence at election time...

[Abacus]

30. To pre-empt a "Someone flipped that photo!" comment, I found another with her hair parted the same

[mcg]

83. and her mole is on the same side, it is not flipped. nt

[truthisfreedom]

86. And her nostril stud is in the same nostril.

[Abacus]

92. Okay, you two are clearly more observant than I am

I didn't even notice those.

[crankychatter]

33. If this is real, the assailant had nice penmanship - but this photo needs provenance please -NT

[WCGreen]

36. It looks as if she was shoved in the bridge of her nose...

Because there is discoloration on her right side as well...

Also, the B could very well be an M with a line underneath...

It also looks as if the "attacker" was very carefull as the depth of the scratch is pretty consistent...

[Lex]

41. No struggle if he was able to be 'careful' with the backwards B.

[anneboleyn]

51. Clearly self-inflicted "B" and self-inflicted black eye. A real black eye from a real punch

by a man of that size would be VERY substantial, even if he hit her lightly (for him) Black eyes are extremely easy to get and the tissue swells substantially. This story is so fake it is pathetic. The fact that MSNBC would run with this is just beyond pathetic.

[Abacus]

52. Who gives a twitter play-by-play looking for an ATM on the "wrong side of pittsburgh"

http://twitter.com/atodd

Oh the blog I will be making soon... Its been a rough night #litf08 about 18 hours ago from TwitterBerry

Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of pittsburgh about 21 hours ago from TwitterBerry

Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees. about 21 hours ago from TwitterBerry

Also, she noticed the color of his shoes? At 9pm?

[Lex]

60. Someone staging some bullshit?

:shrug:

[SurfingAtWork]

59. The dastardly Backward Bandit strikes again.

[kestrel91316]

61. It's another Susan Smith/Tawana Brawley case.

[eShirl]

62. she got a little of the "black eye" smudged under her other eye

and another little smudge on the other cheek

[JohnWxy]

63. that's not a cut, it's an abrasion caused by many light repeated strokes. no thief

would take the time to do that.

HOw do you get a black eye without some bruising about the brow or cheek-bone?

[hootinholler]

66. I've never seen a black eye like that that didn't have red in the whites.

:shrug: Looks hoax-ish.

-Hoot

[workinclasszero]

67. How much did McCain and Palin pay this girl?

Thats what I want to know!:grr:

[Twist_U_Up]

73. Probably the fakest black eye I have ever seen before.

and I wrestled my whole life.
No swelling,no redness in the white of her eyes.
I have seen better black eyes on the Halloweeners that frequent my home every year.
Too bad people aren't as skeptical with Obama's birth ceritifcate, or 9/11.

[Dr Fate]

74. I still dont get it-What is "B" supposed to stand for?

???

'bama?

Black guy unning for Prez?

I dont get it.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

75. "Busted."

[sohndrsmith]

87. According to CNN, there was no indication as to what the "B" indicated:

"Before he left, the woman said, he carved the letter "B" into her face with a knife, according to Richard. There was no indication what the "B" indicated."

Other articles say that the police stated that the woman didn't indicate the mugger noticed her bumper sticker (I know, it's lame w/o a link or quote - I'll take care of that).

Why there is an assumption that this is somehow related to the election is concerning.

[shaniqua6392]

77. You should put an "ugly pic warning" on that one!!

Scared the shit out of me when I saw it. Yikes. BTW...Those "black eyes" were done with Halloween make up or eyeliner smeared around. I don't believe the story at all.

[johnnyrocket]

80. If she had only incribed an 'O'...she would have gotten away with it.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

81. B is for BUSTED!

[Erin Elizabeth]

82. This is a fresh black eye:

[FM Arouet666]

89. Black smudges on the other sider of her face?

Just above the B there is a little smudge and just lateral toward her ear. Also, the little smudge under her right eye. Looks like makeup to me. Seen a lot of black eyes and knife attacks in my time, work in the ER, and this just doesn't look real.

Ashley Todd will go down as the dumbest right wing zealot of all time. Hello, Earth to Ashley. Instead of a back wards ass B, why didn't you just gently scrape an O on your face.