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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:58 PM
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Pollsters, Nate Silver would like a word with you about good science....
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/some-likely-voter-models-are-suspect.html

Frankly, I find polls showing a 4-6 point gap between likely and registered voters to be utterly ridiculous. Why?

1. Among people who have already voted, Democrats lead overwhelmingly. Zogby pegs Barack Obama's advantage at 27 points among people who have already voted. The New York Times details how Democrats are overperforming, sometimes dramatically, in states where early voting is underway. (By the way, the New York Times' data on Florida is wrong, as it includes absentee ballot requests as well as early voters. According to an Open Left diarist, Democrats have a 24-point advantage among those who have actually voted early in Florida).

Pollsters ought to make certain that they're asking people whether they've already voted. Moreover, they ought to be putting these early voters through their likely voter models as a sanity check. That is, they should be testing to see whether a substantial number of people who have actually voted would in fact have been excluded by their likely voter screens. If the answer to this question is yes, they ought to be asking themselves whether their likely voter models have any basis in reality.

2. Enthusiasm is much higher among Democrats than among Republicans. The latest Diageo/Hotline numbers show that 72 percent of Democrats are enthusiastic about voting for their candidate, as opposed to 55 percent of Republicans.

3. Most likely voter models are unlikely to distinguish newly registered voters from what I would call lapsed registered voters. If someone is registered, and has been registered for a long while, but has not cast a ballot since they pulled the lever for Ross Perot in 1992, there is good reason to be skeptical about their intentions. On the other hand, voters who are newly registered have quite literally demonstrated their interest in the 2008 campaign; they are in fact quite likely to vote. Barack Obama's advantages are principally from among the newly-registered voter group.

4. There is an enormous discrepancy in the strength of the Republican and Democratic turnout operations. In past elections, such as 2004, this advantage favored the Republicans; in this one, it favors the Democrats. Barack Obama has somewhere between a 2:1 and a 4:1 advantage in field offices in most battleground states. He is relying almost exclusively on volunteers (the exception are a couple of cities like Philadelphia and Detroit, where Obama will most likely pay 'street money' to canvassers on Election Day). McCain, meanwhile, has already had to hire paid canvassers in Florida, and perhaps he will also in several other states.

5. Turnout among 'unlikely' voter blocks was substantially up during the Democratic primaries. Youth voters (18-29 year olds) increased their share of the Democratic electorate by 52 percent. Latino voters increased their share by 42 percent. Black voters increased their share by 8 percent.

I would like to issue a challenge to those pollsters like Franklin & Marshall and GfK which in spite of all the facts above, are showing a substantial shift toward the Republicans when they apply their likely voter models. E-mail me -- my contact information is at the top of the page -- and tell me why you think what you're doing is good science.


Go read the rest - its good.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:04 PM
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1. Nate's my hero -- although the poor guy looked like he was falling asleep sitting up on Keith's show
He should go and get eight hours of shut-eye, like, immediately.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:18 PM
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3. he is my hero this year.
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darius15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:05 PM
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2. I agree with all 5 of his points. The question before voting started was, can Obama actually make
those registered voters go vote? I think the answer is yes, because polls show Obama has over 25 point lead over McCain among voters who already voted. Because of that, the registered voters model is the one I trust, not likely voters.
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