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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:52 AM
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If Someone Owns a Business Making More Than $250,000 a Year,
Is that business still considered a "small business"? I have heard that 95% of "small businesses" make less than that, so wouldn't a business making more than that be at least a "medium business", or a "bigger business"?

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:59 AM
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1. I think it depends on the number of employees.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:03 AM
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2. Is this $250,000 a year personal income or business gross, profits or what?
It seems to me there are Horse Apples mixed in with the Oranges and Pears.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:05 AM
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4. I'm almost certain it's personal income from the business...
... and not business gross.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:44 AM
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9. In that case, what does "Business" have to do with anything?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:05 AM
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3. And remember that under the Obama plan...
If you're creating jobs, you're getting tax breaks for it.

So there are going to be offsets.

Most small businesses are sole proprietorships -- owner/operator with no employees -- and these will almost all get a tax cut.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:06 AM
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5. size is relative
So really, it depends on the intent of the speaker.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:16 AM
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6. Generally it is the number of employees not gross income.
"A small business is a business that is independently owned and operated, with a small number of employees and relatively low volume of sales. The legal definition of "small" often varies by country and industry, but is generally under 100 employees in the United States and under 50 employees in the European Union. In comparison, the definition of mid-sized business by the number of employees is generally under 500 in the U.S. and 250 for the European Union. Small businesses are normally privately owned corporations, partnerships, or sole proprietorships. In Australia, small business is defined as 1-19 employees and medium businesses have 20-200 employees."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_business

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:47 AM
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11. OK, that helps.
So, that is how a business can be considered small, even if it makes more than $250,000 a year. It could have 20 or 30 employees and make over that. But, only 5% of those businesses with less than 100 employees reach that.

I know I am over-simplifying, but that is a helpful point of reference.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:24 PM
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13. The vast majority are micro-businesses.
One or two 'employees' who are generally the owners as well, with pre-tax profits of (far) less than 250000. Most are LLC corporations or simple partnerships so the profits are taxed simply as income. This whole non-issue is an endless fabrication from the habitual liars over on the Republican side. The ongoing fantasy narrative they provide for a voting population they depend on to be stupid enough to buy into every election cycle.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:20 AM
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7. If a small business owner is paying taxes on $250,000 as net income,
it's highly unlikely he's operating a "small" business unless his small business doesn't include employees or any significant expenses.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:26 PM
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14. See above. You'd be surprised at the definition of small business.
100 employees is a small business. However the vast majority of small businesses are one or two person operations that net far less than 250K.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:44 AM
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8. I'm selling pencils, $50,000 each ...
I haven't sold any, but all I need is that one customer ...
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:46 AM
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10. I suggest you become a contractor for the US Army
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:48 AM
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12. please ...
I HAVE standards ...
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