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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:16 PM
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Have you guys considered that McCain's campaign is simply poorly run?
I mean, they didn't realize Wisconsin was a lost cause until recently. They didn't realize VA and NC were in trouble until a week ago. They spent money in Maine. They spent money in the Pacific Northwest. Who says they know what they are doing? They will lose PA and by more than 10 points.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:17 PM
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1. Absolutely! And what sort of an executive does that make John McCain? n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:18 PM
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2. If it's so poorly run, why was Sarah Palin nominated? That was a brilliant...
...oh, wait.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:18 PM
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3. Yes. n/t
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:19 PM
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4. The elaborate conspiracy theories are entertaining,
but as much as I hate to disappoint people, I have to agree with you. McCain is just a fuckup, and he's running a shitty campaign. Simple as that.
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:22 PM
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11. I personally love the conspiracy theories!
Everything is one! The Repigs are plotting to win! The Repigs are plotting to lose on purpose!

These guys have more plots than a cemetery!
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:42 PM
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27. I love them too, but after a while
you want to tell the people who spread them to get a hold of themselves.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:19 PM
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5. i'm wondering if PA is a strategy to get Obama to spend more there
instead of places like Missouri which McCain needs more than Obama.

but then again Obama has enough to spend everywhere.

i really don't get it. i think the blue states from 2004 are all solid blue for OBama this time around. wouldn't Florida be a better place since they actually did go red in 2004 and it was close in 2000 ? or maybe there are too many minorities there.

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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:21 PM
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9. Obama doesn't have a mone problem.
The rope-a-dope strategy won't work on Obama. lol
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:19 PM
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6. You are correct. They deserve to lose and Obama deserves to win. He's run a great campaign.
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:20 PM
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7. Yes
Cosider the source... how many jets did he destroy? He isn't too terribly intelligent. Does anyone knoe his IQ?
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:45 PM
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29. Was it six jets or five? Bottom of class, too.
Erratic.

Tin ear.

Over stayed his welcome, his time was 2000, he owes dumbya for that.

now, he shamefully gave over to the dark side, shrill fear mongering.

http://www.redpills.org/?p=782
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:47 PM
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30. His selection of the wolf killah from wassilah turned off cons!
That showed his desperation and lack of realistic managing crises, of course the wall street meltdown and his uneven reaction just magnifyed it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:21 PM
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8. over and over and over again.....
case in point ..... Charles Gibson moderated one of the Republican debates that McCain participated in.

The first question ....... lemme repeat that ... the FIRST QUESTION .... was "what do you think of the Bush Doctrine?" (this of course we all know is what prompted her "in what respect Charlie?" response.)

What kind of an IDIOT does it take to say, "hm, Gov. Palin is going to be interviewed by Gibson, let's see what he asked McCain in that debate so we can prepare for any possible question."

SERIOUSLY!!!! They aren't even using logic!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:21 PM
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10. He should have fired them weeks ago..
it's a mess.


All this "real America" crap is just like Buchanan speaking at the Rep convention all those years ago.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:22 PM
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12. I guess it's hard to imagine a campaign being this bad
seems almost like a trap at times.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:22 PM
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13. I'm thinking Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis can be rest assured...
They won't be asked to run another Republican Presidential campaign. Unless maybe it's vacuuming the campaign jet.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:23 PM
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14. That's a very diplomatic read of just how shitty McCain is running his campaign...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:24 PM
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15. There's a few things going on.
Less money than Obama, there have been some strategic mistakes, they have W's regime to deal with, etc. Lack of money may be their biggest problem the next two weeks. I haven't checked the latest polls the last few days.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:24 PM
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16. I think it may be one of the worst run campaigns I've experienced since 1972....
when I started seriously following politics. More than any other its similar to the McGovern campaign of 1972-discordant, undirected, running against the tide, and dragged down by a loser vice-president.
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:31 PM
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21. at least McGovern was inspiring
and stood for something.

The Dems did do quite well down ticket in '72, even if Nixon was a shoo-in. McCain ain't inspring anyone.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:37 PM
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24. And that is an excellent point. Thanks for the correction....
And you're very right-McGovern inspired, McCain inspires no one.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:25 PM
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17. Also, it seems now that Palin has pretty much branched out and is doing her own thing.
She's already contradicted McCain's stance and interjected her own multiple times this month.

It's almost as if they had separate campaign managers and speech writers.

There's a McCain campaign and a Palin campaign.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:26 PM
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18. McCain can't manage anything. He already bankrupted his campaign once. He would be
terrible as President. He has no executive skills - none.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:27 PM
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19. Absolutely. No question about it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:30 PM
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20. McCain sucks at running a campaign while Obama is great at it.
First major test before the presidency is how well you run your campaign and Obama and co have done a brilliant job. McInsane picked a nobody Alaskan unqualified ditzy woman for VP, suspended his campaign for no reason, messed up the bailout plan the first time around, spent money in states where it made no sense (Maine) and is going for broke in a state that he is very far behind in (PA). Add on all the anti Obama pals around with terrorists crap and this is one of the sh*ttiest campaigns for national office I have seen in a long time. Bob Dole ran a better campaign and picked a better VP too. Sad, just sad.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:37 PM
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25. I saw something impressive from Obama's campaign tonight
He ran two commercials during The Big Break on The Golf Channel, one anti-McCain and one a positive spot. That may be a relatively obscure show but it's the highest rated prime time show they have and tonight was a new episode. I watch Golf Channel every day and this is the first time I remember seeing political commercials during one of their exclusive programs.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:33 PM
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22. he's a publican. What can you expect? n/t
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:33 PM
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23. McCain is running of the worst campaigns in memory
And I tend to hesitate about saying that about campaigns -- most election results are about the fundamentals. People always claim that a losing candidate lost because s/he ran a "terrible" campaign, citing infighting and Monday-morning quarterbacking. But losing campaigns ALWAYS have some infighting -- because they're losing!

And yet, this campaign really is poorly run. It's simply baffling. It's erratic, it's immature, it's completely off the wall. They have no ground game. They have no message. They have nothing.

It's true that it'd be very hard for ANY Republican to win this year. McCain always seemed to stand the best chance because of his high favorability ratings. The economic crises would have still made that difficult for him. But he's doing VERY poorly right now, moreso than John McCain should be doing on paper, and I think that can be traced to how awful his campaign is.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:39 PM
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26. I truly think Republicans just got lazy.
Just terribly fucking lazy. They figured they'd win this one, too. They've become accustomed to running things. With McCain, people early on probably figured he'd just soar to popularity, that Obama would fizzle out or they'd find some huge damning thing on him, or something.

Sheer laziness. Cocky. Presumptuous. Look where it got them.

Not only that but they were up against one of the BEST campaigns in recent history.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:44 PM
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28. He's been on tilt for months.
McCain let Obama and other political figures get under his skin, lost his cool, and made a bunch of bad judgments, like, say, picking Palin.

That caused him to lose his cool even further as those bad judgments bit him in the ass, thus causing him to make more rash judgments.

McCain's campaign is swirling around the toilet - the only thing he has left is cheating.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:10 AM
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31. If they spent any money in Oregon or WA, it was money wasted.
Tonight on the local news, latest poll in Washington says McCain has 39%, Obama has 55% and the rest are undecided.

Oregon is about the same, or possibly even wider lead for Obama.

Maybe they are confused and they think we are just like Idaho?
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:24 AM
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32. Obama has one ad running in western WA.
Western WA went for Ron Paul in the Primary.
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:33 AM
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33. McCain's campaign is wrong on nearly every level...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:36 AM
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34. The McCain campaign, this picture sums it up nicely...
Edited on Wed Oct-22-08 12:36 AM by Solon
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:46 AM
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35. Kinda reminds me of Hillary's
Outclassed on the grand strategic/moral level of political warfare.

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:47 AM
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36. I don't think it matters that much. McCain is a HORRIBLE candidate. How the
Republicans couldn't see that is beyond me. Guess they were blinded by their good ole boys' loyalty.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:51 AM
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37. There have been quite a few poorly run campaigns this year
McCain's campaign had serious problems last year and almost imploded. Their hands are tied because of the decision to take public financing in the GE.

Giuliani's campaign was poorly planned and so was "Dead" Fred Thompson's campaign. I won't go into the D opponents campaigns since that is rehashing the primaries, but there could be some interesting behind the scenes stories there as well.

Here's a salute to all three:





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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 12:52 AM
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38. The campaign is so bad that
1) Neither Rick Davis nor Steve Schmidt will ever work again.

2) The entire Republican Party is going to split into three pieces (the Christian wackos, the war hawks, and the small government people), one of which Obama will likely sweep up in the 2012 re-election run (the small government people).
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 01:03 AM
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39. Poorly run is an understatement.
This campaign is quite possibly the worst run campaign I've ever seen. They are disorganized, focusing on issues nobody cares about, and don't have a consistent campaign message. Combine that with Caribou Barbie and it's a monumental trainwreck.

McCain isn't a great candidate, but he would've fared better with a decently run campaign and competent running mate.

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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 01:11 AM
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40. GOP a shell of what it once was
It's because all the brains in the GOP drifted away with the rest of the Moderates and Center. All that's left over there is the far right. They aren't too proficient at perceiving reality.
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