Biden didn't say anything wrong. Why are some here calling him names and saying he should shut up.

[phleshdef]

I'm calling out some people here. So far I've read people calling Biden an idiot, saying he stuck his foot in it, saying he should shut up from now until the election...

You people are awfully gullible. I hope most DUers are smarter than to allow the MSM and the McCain campaign dictate what is and isn't a gaffe.

ANY new president is going to be tested right away. The whole world is going to be watching to see how the new president handles things differently than Bush. And Obama DOES have a spine of steel.

Nothing is wrong with saying any of that. Nothing. Period. I hope Biden goes on national TV and repeats it a thousand times just to shove it in their faces that its not an invalid thing to say. Nor is it something that anyone should be offended over.

Stop falling for this shit and STOP TRASHING JOE BIDEN, he didn't say anything to deserve it. It wasn't a gaffe, it wasn't misspeaking and it was totally appropriate.

Barack Obama has proven that Democrats don't have to cower whenever the right wing machine tries to create non-issues like this. I suggest some of YOU start acting on that example and start acting like 2008 Democrats.

[deadparrot]

1. I don't get what was so bad about it either.

Our economy is nonexistent, we're in the middle of two wars, and people are almost unanimously livid at the direction this country is moving. Of course Obama would be tested. So would McCain. So would both VPs. So would ANY presidential candidate, regardless of experience. So what's the big goddamn deal?

[Connie_Corleone]

2. A bunch of chicken littles.

Biden said something true and now the rightwingers are going to hurt us. WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!

[yourguide]

3. As I just said in another thread.

It was a misspeak indeed. What he meant to articulate was not what came out of his mouth.

The Obama/Biden team knows the rules of the same and knows the media is on McCain's team. Their choices are blame the refs for making this an issue or simply being more careful in what you say.

The only thing Biden has any control over is the latter.

Sorry, love Biden but he just gave the media and mccain their talking points for today. He should be more thoughtful in his speaking.

[phleshdef]

7. No, it wasn't a misspeak. Explain to me whats wrong with the statement.

Any mistaken context they are spinning has zero merit. Even a person with below average intelligence can see that. This is the equivalent of Biden saying the sky appears to be blue and then the spin machine tries to say he was suggesting that Barack is going to change the color of sky, because well, you know Barack is all about change.

YES, it really IS that stupid and ridiculous.

[yourguide]

8. Sigh

he suggested again that, specific to Obama being elected, not both candidates, that there would be a manufactured crisis specifically to test him.

Makes it appear that this issue is specific to Obama instead of it being an issue for the either candidate elected. Makes it appear that just electing Obama could invite trouble.

How do you guys not get that this is not about truth, or above average intelligence, this is all about news cycles 2 weeks out from the elections. Our team needs to be more diciplined, and we dont need distractions like this.

Turn on the damn news and you'll understand exactly what I am talking about.

[endthewar]

12. You're reading a lot of things into Biden's statement

Pass the corporate MSM Kool-Aid please. :hi:

Oh, I didn't see you mention the "steel in his spine" that Biden said. Fair & balanced like FOX News, eh?

[phleshdef]

13. He didn't suggest that. And I did turn on the news, they aren't making any sense.

And to say they are making a very far reaching stretch to suggest he said that is an understatement. Its a total lie.

Biden should stand by his statement, repeat it a thousand times if needed... just to show them for the liars that they are.

[yourguide]

14. That is foolish

Why perpetuate a negative news cycle. Jesus.

You guys need to remember we are down to independents unsure of who to vote for. This is not about us, or committed dems now. This is about winning over the remaining undecideds.

I dont care if the media is lying, they lie all the time, this is how they play the game. We need to be smarter than that.

You guys can either stand by and blame the refs if we lose, or we can hope the campaign stays diciplined and we dont make ANY mistakes that create any further negative news cycles prior to the election.

[phleshdef]

18. Whats foolish is that you agree that this warrants the negativity...

It doesn't. I've seen the statement a billion times now. There is NOTHING about the statement that would have given Biden any reason to believe it would cause any kind of reaction whatsoever. You and others suggesting that Biden somehow said something wreckless here might as well be calling for Joe and Barack to never say anything again, ever... because to avoid media BS that is THIS ridiculous, that is exactly what they would have to do.

You have failed to make any convincing argument that Biden shouldn't have made the statement.

[yourguide]

22. No

Well, turn on the news. Negative news cycle, 14 days out, and we are now down to undecideds. If that doesnt convince you nothing will.

Keep your eye on the prize and think like the campaign thinks. I can assure you both Biden and Obama wish he had worded his statement more accurately.

This was a gaffe, misworded, innocent, but anything but diciplined.

[seabeyond]

4. agreed. this is NOT on biden. ALL on media. are people really gonna be suckered into the

media game. pathetic.

[1corona4u]

15. Even people ON THIS BOARD....

how repulsive.

[seabeyond]

24. OFTEN.... people on this board. as i say, pathetic that they can so easily be lead

i watched in 2004 repugs tell us dems how we were suppose to think, what we were suppose to say and would listen to people on du repeat. they did it with kerry all the friggin time. like they did just yesterday with the cute joke kerry made.

how are people lead by the nose so easily really make me wonder

wink

[REP]

5. Two weeks to fill; Biden is today's bright shiny object

[cadmium]

6. because a lot of people need something

to whine about. Probably would rather lose and get to whine more

[1corona4u]

9. It's just all bullshit.

Dems like to eat their own.

[bugisbug]

10. Agreed. Here's a link to his speech:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

Before judging Biden on a couple of statements taken out of
context, please read all of what he said. 

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. FWIW, I didn't know what you were talking about

When I turn on the computer, I first go to yahoo and check the headlines, just to see what the MSM is up to. There was nothing about a Biden statement that I saw. Didn't know about it until I came here--but from what I've pieced together about his remarks, I don't see how anything can really be made of it. In fact, a "newly minted Democrat" (her words-she was a life-long Republican) said basically the same thing when asked why she had switched.

[Versailles]

16. My thoughts on the Biden comment

It seems to me that Biden was pointing out how the rest of the world feels about us right now. We are not at the highest levels of respect amongst the rest of the world...in fact some of our staunchest allies are not wanting to associate with us. This creates a power vacuum at the top. Unless we can re-achieve our supremacy as a world power, numerous others are going to clamor to fill that void at the top. What I believe Biden was pointing out is that we are perceived as weak at the moment. We are losing our hold and direction. We aren't the model country of the world anymore. And whoever the new president is will be put to the test immediately to see where we are headed. If that president fails, we are in serious trouble. If that president succeeds, we can begin to rebuild our influence among the world.

It seems to me that Biden, without being totally clear, was pointing out that Obama, who favors diplomacy, would be the better choice to handle that test over McCain and his policy of shoot first ask questions later. Were his comments clear, not really, but we as intelligent voters should be able to discern the meaning behind the rhetoric.

[Jennicut]

17. Not to mention I have heard him say it in speeches several time before

and the MSM is just picking up on it now? Desperation, shilling to help McLame any way they can.

[DainBramaged]

19. They don't belong here if they are saying that, how rude

[uponit7771]

20. RIGHT thing to say, WRONG time to say it especially when media an McAnus campaign are LOOKING for

...something to hang on to

[seabeyond]

25. like our candidates have a little crystal ball to know what media will jump on at any given minute

what biden said was NOTHING. this moment media decided to make a deal of it. i guess our candidates could say NOTHING to be safew, but then THEY would get their ass reemed on that.

it is a no win with dems and media

but blame certainly isnt on joe

[book_worm]

21. Yet another media inspired "controversy" to try and make the election closer. Biden did nothing

wrong with his comments. People here should just drop it and not make it seem worse than it is.

[MarkBinPA]

23. What the Obama camp should do

Is use the Biden comment to turn on Mccain. This can turn the subject back to steady hand, tested leadership. Run ads with the comment in it, followed up with Mccain's test on Iraq and the economic crisis and the fact he failed both. Close the ad with Colin Powell's statements on Obama being tested and a steady hand. Simple.

Mark
http://www.3bluedudes.com

[AngryAmish]

26. I, for the most part, have stopped trashing Joe Biden

The man is still a buffoon on wheels, but I am holding my pixels until after the election when we can quietly replace him with someone who won't say the first thing that comes into his head and get us in a war.

[medicswife]

27. The polls ARE NOT tightening the way that the media thought

they would have by this point, and so they've jumped all over something that is a non-story to try to get their horse race back. It's just desperation on the part of the McCain campaign. They thought maybe they could make a little hay out of the comments and so they jumped on them. Because they're broke, they're trying to stay in the news as much as possible for free media. That's the point behind the ridiculous socialism charge as well. It reeks of desperation, and it won't give them a big enough edge to win. Maybe a few people will bite this bait and swallow it hook, line and sinker, but I think that for the most part, American's will see through it, just like they saw through his "suspending" his campaign. Ayers didn't work, Acorn didn't work, now it's time to try something new. More chaotic messaging won't help McCain.

[demokatgurrl]

28. and why are we even discussing something that was

first dropped here yesterday by some low-posting possible Freeper???