I've had it PUMAs make me sick.. they are all @%$%@ crazy...seriously...

[mckeown1128]

I like to prowl sites like the puma blogs to get my daily update of smears... I like to know what crap the other side is flinging...

well... the PUMA sites are getting pretty bad... They have recently thrown Hillary under the bus, argued over sending Obama supporters human excrement in the mail, some talk about stalking up on guns for what they call the coming war...with Obama supporters after Obama wins. The hate is overflowing...

Tonight they really have sent me over the edge... Half are making jokes about Obama's grandmother being sick..(saying Obama will lay hand on her to heal her) and the other half of them think this is a plot for Obama to go to Hawaii to create a fake birth certificate.. I mean WTF they are all crazy. Seriously... I am only sharing this because I need to vent... what lunitics... I'm glad we don't' tolerate pumas here... DU is my refuge :hug: Thanks for letting me vent.

[politicasista]

1. Yep. There is one at a non-political message board

Gloating about Palin's SNL appearance and bringing up Michelle's "I'm proud of my country" comment. It was disgusting. :puke:

[SoonerPride]

2. I fear stupidity and hate is contagious

So I limit my exposure to each as much as possible.

[Thrill]

3. They are Republicans. What do you expect?

[TheKentuckian]

4. I'd avoid any dealings with the Freeper's Woman's Auxiliary post# 666

They ain't talking about nothing but a spell checked version of the same nonsense you can catch at Freeperland without the hint of thought that those zombies used to be people.

[mckeown1128]

8. PUMAs are worse than freepers...

PUMAs are freepers with ego problems... Freepers share the hate...but are much less delusional about it. Freepers don't think they are some mighty force of 18 Million that will single handedly give McCain the election.. Freepers see the writing on the wall about this election. PUMAs are full of themselves.

Dear..GOD... it takes alot for me to put freepers on the less evil side of an issue... For the record...I hate freepers too...

[Faygo Kid]

48. Yup, and some actually posted here.

I can name more than a few.

They were haters then, and they are haters now.

And they are going down. Hard.

[pnwmom]

5. Here's your insta cure: stop prowling those blogs.

But why would we ever have tolerated PUMAs here? They never had anything to do with Hillary or her supporters -- it was just a way to attack the Dem candidate.

[Starry Messenger]

6. PUMAs have morphed into Freepers.

I see those blogs quoted on FR as often as the right wing ones like Town Hall. I've stopped looking.

[yourout]

7. They were Freepers before they were PUMAs.

[Starry Messenger]

10. In some greater philosophical sense, then yes.

I concede the point.

[pnwmom]

22. They were Freepers ORIGINALLY.

They only supported Hillary as a way to disrupt the Democratic primary. Limbaugh, among others, was urging Rethugs to do so.

[ClarkUSA]

51. No, many of them are/were DUers/Kossacks/MyDDers who rabidly supported Hillary during the primaries.

They are soulmates to Lady Forrester de Rothschild. I know many of them from the 2003-2004 primary. Fortunately,
the general population of Clinton supporters do not suffer from the same mental illnesses that seem to dominate
the PUMA websites.

[RoadRage]

58. Na.. not totally true

The mod at hillaryclintonforums.net is a lesbian, and very pro-choice, pro-gay. Frankly, it makes her stance even more horrible IMO. To see her say how much she "respects" Palin even though they disagree on policy makes me :puke:

Palin DOESN'T LIKE YOU SISTER.. in fact, she thinks you have a moral defect, and would like to make sure you never have any rights at all. But, stump & vote away everything you believe in idiot..

Sometimes, stupidity is beyond comprehendable.

But, there really are democrats out there who are happy to shoot themselves in the face rather then vote for Obama. Luckily it's not gonna matter.. and there are very few of them.

Also, I agree - many of them ARE Republicans in wolf clothing. ;)

[ddeclue]

9. What will it take to get Lynn Samuels off of Sirius Left?

She purely annoys the hell out of me bashing on Obama 3 hours a day or talking about meaningles non-political crap.

I went and got the XM radio out of my other car today so I could listen to AAR INSTEAD of Sirius Left. during her show time.

Doug D.

[TriMetFan]

11. Who is or what is PUMA?

Just asking.:shrug: Are they like a crazy group? I went to check out the site and I didn't like what I saw.

[Peacetrain]

16. ~rofl~

okay, it is a big old cat..

[firedupdem]

17. they are some nutcase people who were hillary supporters and

totally jumped ship and went crazy when she didn't win the nomination. I didn't know myself until just recently. PUMA=party unity my ass

[pnwmom]

23. Not exactly. The vast majority were Rethugs who voted

for HRC merely to disrupt the Democratic primary -- at Limbaugh's urging. Naturally, when it was over they went back to supporting the Rethug.

[DRoseDARs]

26. P arty U nite M y A ss

Hillary supporters who can't get over the fact that she lost the Dem party nomination, or Republicans just pretending to be Hillary supporters in order to create the illusion of party disunity. Either way, they are few in number and have zero influence. They were supposed to make a lot of noise in Denver during the convention ... and nothing. A couple of people, their signs, and no one cared.

[TriMetFan]

33. Thanks for sharing.

[DRoseDARs]

39. Unless you're admitting to being a PUMA, you DON'T fall into either catagory I stipulated.

:eyes:

[TriMetFan]

41. No I sure do not belong to any group

like that. But since you are asking are you our DUMichelle Bachman?

[On the Road]

30. PUMA = Party Unity My Ass

[PatGund]

49. Well.....

They're a batch of people who claimed to be Sen. Clinton supporters. And maybe they were to start with - at least some of them.

However, they've morphed into something that only gives the bare minimum lip service to Sen. Clinton, (ignoring anything Sen. Clinton does for party unity or electing Sen. Obama as president), and pretty much go against everything Sen. Clinton has ever stood for.

Their hatred of Sen. Obama (and Howard Dean, and Nancy Pelosi, and Donna Brazzle), is such that they have allied with (and in some cases more than likely were always) the same freepers and right-wingers that spent the 1990's attacking the Clintons. Indeed, many of their attacks against Sen. Obama and his wife look a LOT like those attacks against the Clintons.

No slander or slur too vile. No level too low to stoop. While they claim to be so nice, they are as vile as the worst of the Freepers. (Case in point, the "Blackface Video" they did a few months ago, which I blogged about at Yes To Democracy

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/08/wow-how-racist.html )

PUMA stands for "Party Unity My Ass". Though they have since moderated it to "People United Means Action".

[calmblueocean]

12. Sometimes you just have to laugh.

Even if Obama didn't already have a valid Hawaiian birth certificate, why would he need to fly to Hawaii to come up with a fake one? Why wouldn't he just send someone under the radar? If anything, the fact that he's flying to Hawaii proves that he isn't trying to come up with some fake new birth certificate. But no one ever said these people made sense.

[Frank Booth]

14. Maybe they have more advanced photocopying methods in Hawaii?

[foxfeet]

53. Now, don't go injecting common sense into the mix.

You'll just confuse the morans further.:crazy:

[Skittles]

13. come on

stop trolling for garbage to post on DU

[davidinalameda]

15. there's plenty of garbage already on here

:evilgrin:

[Lord Helmet]

18. they are bitter fools

[Hekate]

19. There, there dear. PUMAs were never Dems in the first place, & saying it won't make it so...

They lie. They're nutty.

Just stay away from the nasty people and you'll feel better.

:hug:

Hekate

[Metric System]

20. Make no mistake: Many of these PUMA types are now attacking Hillary so I really hope no primary

Obama supporters question Hillary's commitment to helping Obama get elected. The Usual Suspects on DU used these PUMAs as examples of Hillary's plot to "steal" the nomination from Obama. Everything these PUMAs said and did prior to the convention were blamed on Hillary. Clearly Hillary was never in cahoots with these whackos and they have done many things she would never approve of. As I said leading up to the convention, the majority of Hillary supporters shifted their support to Obama, at her urging. It was always a small percentage that remained steadfast in their refusal to back Obama. These are the same types who have martyred the likes of Harriet Christian. And these are the same types who are now writing stuff like:

"Was just listening to last night's PUMA radio show with Riverdaughter hosting in Sheri's place, and guests Harriet Christian, and Heidi Li and Marc Rubin of the Denver Group. Harriet apparently has gone beyond Hillary now. I am where she is - she actually said, 'we have been deserted by our party, we have been deserted by our candidate...' and the turning point was the time Hillary actually embraced BH0 on stage and BH0 said that he believed in all her policies. The formal endorsement was the last straw for her. She was also disappointed that Hillary was not 'more of a feminist'. Riverdaughter put it in different, more diplomatic terms - that we, PUMAs, have to separate ourselves from Hillary Clinton"

And this:

"She promised to fight for us, for the country. She did not make good on that one. Their careers are more important? They are delivering critical votes for him. He may win because of them."

Finally, this:

"I hate to say it but at this moment in time I don't give a damn about Hillary or Bill. They made their choices and I've made mine. I simply don't want my country to be ruined by an Obama win."

So I hope people here keep these comments in mind before they question the Clintons commitment to the party, or try to attribute the words and actions of PUMAs to Hillary.

[JVS]

28. Usual Suspects? Oh, please do tell.

[SwampG8r]

44. yeah theres a bunch who use that phrase here

usual suspects

[Metric System]

54. The Usual Suspects are simply the posters who show up in every Clinton-bashing thread but are

nowhere to be seen in positive threads. Don't worry, I don't consider you to be a Usual Suspect. There's only a handful, really. And NO simply criticizing the Clintons does not make one a Usual Suspect.

[PatGund]

50. Yep!

I mentioned at Yes To Democracy that they don't follow the real Sen. Clinton, they adore a fake "Blessed St. Hillary the Martyr/Victim", and ignore anything the Real Sen. Clinton does.

Case in point, the wonderful speech that Sen. Clinton gave at the DNC convention. That the site "hillaryis44" felt the need to censor almost 400 words from because they dealt with "unity" and the reasons to vote for and support Sen. Obama.

I'm NOT kidding.


http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/08/the-pumas-in-th.html

[merh]

21. I do thank them for giving the RNC Pander Palin.

they were good for that. :rofl:

[Zero Division]

24. I confess, they are a bit of a curiosity.

The few that do not appear to have been Republicans for Hillary or leftover Dixiecrats and have simply become ranting, raving, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Obama nuts as a result of grudges from the primaries are really something else to read. There are DUers at these sites that I think most of us would not have anticipated to have become mirrors of the Freepers they once loathed (granted there are exceptions to this, as well--I'm thinking of a screen name that begins with "T"). It's sad and disconcerting, but it's also like a train wreck that you can't stop looking at. The way that some of them have fully embraced the McCain/Palin campaign is appalling. I have to question my own sense of character when I see what people like Larry Johnson have become, and I thinks that's part of why I'm occasionally drawn to reading these sites.

And I want to state how utterly unfair it is to associate the vast majority of Hillary's (or any of the other candidates' supporters, for that matter) supporters with these people, even though I know you haven't done so in this OP. But it's worth repeating.

[depakid]

25. How about getting a clue- there never was any such deal as PUMA's

except in suckers' minds and in Republican's corrupt dreams.

It was always a figment of susceptible peoples' imagination- a message board phenominena- kept alive by people who bought into the nonsense.

[JVS]

27. Yeah, they're some real shitnuggets. I'm glad they aren't here anymore though.

[4lbs]

29. They represent less than .0001 percent of the vote. So... not even worth a fart in the wind.

n/t

[Tim4319]

31. Republicans will say anything!

PUMA = Republican

PUMA's are not true Hillary supporters! Never were true Hillary supporters! And, never will be true Hillary supporters! PUMA's are Republicans!

[tekisui]

32. Thanks for the update! I was banned from one of the sites,

about a month ago, so I lost my lurking rights.

[PresidentObama]

34. They're merely the racists in the minority of the Democratic party, and won't make a difference.

[RiverStone]

36. They are not Dems - DINO's only

Rethug through and through.

I doubt any of these so called PUMA's share our values on DU.

Whiny pricks seeking attention - nothing more.

[No Passaran]

35. If you really think PUMA site and Hillary forum are Democrats

You need your head examined. They're freepers disguised as Hillary supporters.

[backscatter712]

42. Exactly! They are NOT Democrats!

They're freeper trolls trying to stir up division in the party.

But I hate to break it to them (wait, no I dont...) but the PUMA movement is an abject failure.

The Democratic Party is now standing united, and it's the Rethugs that are on tilt, bickering with each other and throwing each other under the bus.

Let these freeptards scream silently into the vacuum.

[Marrah_G]

37. SOLUTION: Stop going to those sites.

It's really easy to do.

You just don't go there.

It's like wading into the cesspool at FR and then getting yourself all upset about it.

Why do that to yourself?

[rvablue]

38. Breaking News: There is no such thing as PUMA and there never has been!

They are republican disruptors.
They probably didn't even vote for Hillary in the primary and if they did, it was to keep the fight going between her and Obama.
They were never going to vote Democratic in the presidential election and they never will.

That Lady De Rothschild gobble-di-guk might be the exceptional and she's only pissed off that she's not going to the French amabassadorship and was probably promised as much by McCain.

[sniffa]

52. I can't believe those non-Dems that survived on DU for years

some from the very beginning. Their stealth was amazing. 7+ years here and no one knew they were secret, Republican saboteurs.

[endarkenment]

57. Well that was the odd part.

I understood what the nubes were. But we had some long time DUers who pretty much came out as freeper trolls after having been here posting and posing (it seems) for years. Why would anyone bother with that? And then why out yourself? The alternative is that they were in fact good Democrats who somehow convinced themselves that four more years of Republican crap was justified because their horse lost the race for the nomination - and I just can't buy that.

[Starry Messenger]

64. They claim that they are the good Democrats and we are the fascists.

And that we need to be taught a lesson. But really, it's no big deal. It's only of passing interest if you are into nutters. Logic doesn't enter into it.

[rvablue]

63. Sorry, since Hillary conceded I haven't seen a single DU "PUMA"

And if you are referring to before the end of the primaries, I don't agree with that definition, because that would make me a "PUMA" and I'm not a "PUMA", I'm a diehard Obama supporter.

[Starry Messenger]

65. Then it doesn't apply to you. n/t

[sniffa]

67. Correction - you don't see them on DU anymore

One started one of the PUMA sites long before she was banned. During the night of the Convention when HRC came through the crowd she announced that the objective of the board was going to be doing anything possible to make sure McCain is elected, and that anyone uncomfortable with that needs to leave the community.

That's one of those long time sleeper cells I'm talking about.

[Occam Bandage]

40. PUMAs? What, all three of them?

[LowerManhattanite]

43. Racists and crypto-freepers...

Every one of 'em—including the crazies banned from here who pitched their own pointy-hooded tents elsewhere to prattle on about “NoBama”, Lady DeRothschild-ish and Harriet Christian's Soldiers.

These are hate-filled people who deserve every bit of misery they encounter. There is NO defense for their bullshit.

They've already skirted right up to the edge of dropping the “N”-bomb at these sites. I magine an Obama victory will push some right over the sooty-handed, flaming-crossed edge.

And I'll laugh my ass off at 'em. (While my mole friend maybe zings 'em a little bit too.) :)

[Faygo Kid]

45. Nasty, dirty and worse than Freepers.

And few in numbers, thank God.

[backscatter712]

46. I just can't take the PUMA movement seriously anymore.

For one, we've got bigger fish to fry.

For another, there aren't very many of them - there were all of a couple dozen PUMAs at the DNC in Denver (and that was back when they still claimed to have some pull in the media), which was a drop in the bucket compared with the 95,000 fired-up, roaring fans (I was one of them) in Mile High Stadium (and the countless thousands more that couldn't get in) there for Obama.

Really, just do what Obama does - brush them off and laugh them off. PUMA's no longer relevant.

[Rockholm]

47. Gee, are Nader Lovers PUMA's?

Seems to me that at this point in time, all of us Hillary supporters are up and running (and contributing)to win in November.
What are Nader's followers doing?

[endarkenment]

61. No they are Naderites

You have to learn to categorize our hate groups correctly.

[bushisanidiot]

55. They are freepers, not PUMA's.

you may as well just read the freeptard website, if you can stomache all that hatred. barf.

[endarkenment]

56. Yeah but remember Indimuse?

She had great posts all full of big ass colored fonts and totally incoherent. I looked forward to each and every one. Those were the days.

[TxBlue]

59. I went to Puma site once 2 wks ago. They ain't or never were Dems

sorry but if it doesn't quack like a duck it just ain't a duck.

Those are fringe repug haters.

I go to freeperland without harm but the Puma site is so toxic.
Freepers may be koolaid drinkers but Puma site is poison factory. They are on the dark side.

[The Revolution]

60. Sorry, Jim, the PUMAs are Dead

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/sorry-jim-pumas-are-dead.html

[Wolfies Revenge]

62. they are bitter racist shut-ins

I doubt they will vote. All they want to do is bitch and moan online 24/7.

[calico1]

66. Hey I was a Hillary supporter..

but stupid I am not.

I like my face with my nose. LOL

I think some people's need to make a point and be "right" is so extreme they will go against everything they claim to believe in in order to make the point.

[MarthaMyDear]

68. Lynn Samuels is the worst on Sirius...I have GOT to email Sirius...

...she keeps wailing, literally, "I can hardly wait for the October 'surprise'"...wanting some kind of revelation about Obama to get Hillary into the WH...

It's sick...I had no idea there were people like that in the world, until I heard her tripe the last few weeks (just got Sirius Radio to listen to Outlaw Country w/ Mojo Nixon). WTF?